FA L FA Cup Final

Chelsea 1:0 Manchester United

Post-match discussion


Sat, 19 May 2018

Jose needs to nail this summer window perfectly. We cannot persist with that fecking defence again next season. Strengthen in midfield and get a proper winger in and none of this wide forward or No.10 playing as wingers with wingers playing full backs nonsense. The only time that happens with top teams is when there’s an injury crisis.
 
We attacked well enough, especially in the second half but lost. All those who say they want attacking football and don't care about the results should take a look at themselves.

I also thought we attacked and played good football. I think we had three primary problems: Jones' error and Rashford and Sanchez played below par, especially Rashford. I would have given Sanchez a pass but for a suposed super star, I expected more. Pity that Pogba's outstanding play won't be noticed now.
We missed Lukaku and Martial would certainly have been a better option to Rashford.
 
To think LvG won this cup and got sacked, this coward fool will be allowed to stay, unbelievable. Chelsea well deserved Jose's tactics were crap again not looking forward to next year. Jose will again be pointing to the second place as an achievement.
LvG lost out on CL football.
 
Watching Sanchez these days is eerily reminiscent of Memphis. Both look like they run through treacle. If anything, Memphis was probably slightly better.

His signing has singlehandedly killed our season dead and he needs a big season next season to make up for it.
Watching Sanchez reminds of Rooney somehow (not that bad yet). I hope next season after some rest he'll be fine, but I'm not very confident. We definitely did not need this signing.
 
At the end of the day we got a taste of our own medicine! They got the goal off of one mistake and then sat back and dared our sub par attack to score.

It worked because we didn’t have lukaku today. That was probably the difference. Credit to hazard though. He was top class.

Although I thought Pogba did well in the second half. Should have scored on that open header though.
Spot on. We did the same to Liverpool and others this year.
We had a few chances and didn't take them. Chelsea deserved their win
 
I am gonna go on a rant here. Firstly why is the name of everything holy on this green earth did Jose buy Sanchez? He has been on par with Depay for dishing out shite performance wearing the 7 shirt.
Secondly, Getting Sanchez has not only been a huge waste of money, but more importantly stunted the growth of both Martial and Rashford, both payers with immense talent who could have really grown this year.
Third, Jose is done, his play is not only boring to watch, he has been figured out and the game has moved on. The guy has not evolved at all like SAF did to adapt.
Fourth, United were as lucky as a blind person finding a four leaf clover to come 2nd this season in the league. Next season is going United will be struggling to finish top 6 with Jose at the helm.
Fifth, why is no one in United addressing the right side? United is so lob sided while going forward, any manager with half a brain knows how to defend against United. Mahrez would have been a much much better buy than Sanchez.
Sixth, United will be the noisy neighbors to City until and unless Jose gets the feck out of here, remember the next season is 3rd season, Jose's 3rd season.
Seventh, United under Jose are building the team around old players rather than young players like Pogs or Martial or Rashford, this is fecking ridiculous. No wonder Salah secked under Jose, creative free players suffer under this mutt, SAF use to give free license to his creative players and we were successful.
And lastly, if Jose buys stop gap old aged players this transfer season, United will be ruined for years, becoming the new Liverpool fr decades to come.
 
In fairness to Jones that was a wonderful first touch by Hazard which set him up to past Jones. If not a perfect touch he doesn't get behind and it's much more difficult to score. Sometime defenders are beaten by great offensive play and that was the case here IMO.

Being beaten is fine, but you have to make it difficult, Hazard was forced into a wide angle and Jones made a tackle that had about a 10 percent chance of success. De gea def had a better chance of saving from that angle
 
Sums our problems up all season really.

We play "OK", go 1-0 down and can't beat a deep lying defense.

Our attack is absolutely shocking for a premier league team, if Mourinho is to stay in charge he desperately needs help in the attacking department.

If he hasn't realised this, someone needs to have a word with him, otherwise he will just sign players to make us defensively tighter and just hope for the best offensively as usual.
 
The first half was our usual cowardball with a deformed shape designed to stop them at the expense of any kind of attacking cohesion. Second half they became us as Conte is another Mourinho, they parked the bus and hoped for a counter, we huffed and puffed but bar one really good save when Rashford got through, and Pogba's missed header that was a sitter, we never really looked all that creative or dangerous, there's little in the way of understandimg or pattern when we attack, it's hit and hope stuff.
 
Crap performance and no creativity up front.

Jones was shocking and has been average all season.

Herrera stood out as our best player today and deserves the praise today.

Season over.

Sell some deadwood and get some good players in. Next season Jose needs to win the league and challenge in europe or he will no doubt be replaced. I like him and think he deserves another season.
 
By the way, I don't really get people who bemoan a lack of effort on our part. I don't think there was any problem with effort and giving their all today. Lack of creativity, lack of ideas, sure. Some terrible performances. But everyone fought for every ball. We were just shit when we had it which is nothing new, really.
 
Chelsea essentially did nothing to win that match.

We didn't start playing until 55min.

Alexis is pretty much useless.

Martial is our only player who consistently looks a threat with the ball at his feet and we're probably gonna sell him.

What an utterly useless game.
 
I can’t even be mad. It feels like Karma for being a shithouse team all season to get utterly shithoused in the final.

Not making changes earlier was inexcusable though IMO. It was almost like he prioritised proving a point over getting back in the game. What happened to the Jose who used to change things after 20 minutes if it wasn’t working?

You can only be a shithouse counter attack manager if you win. When you lose, you’ve got to take the slack. Next season is YUGE.
 
How can anyone look at our attack and say we played well? Chelsea defended their 1 goal lead because that's all they are capable of this season. A half decent attack would have picked them apart and won 3-1 atleast.

Just because we had a feckload of possession does not mean we played well. Our chance creation rivals some Championship clubs.
Take out the Pogba chance which was from a set play and it really wasn't that different to when we beat Liverpool at home which was apparently a masterclass by us. Lots of the ball, shots blocked but very little actually created (Liverpool probably should have had a penalty, we had the Rashford shot saved but both had not much else).

The issue was we started dismally (basically the first 40 minutes we were shit), this was a game between two negative sides and it was always likely that the side who went ahead would then just sit there and rely on the opposition not being good enough to break them down. We did have a go because we have the 2nd best and most expensive squad in the country but still didn't trouble Chelsea too often, the chance they had with Alonso was as good as anything we had in the second half.
 
Managed to watch last 30 minutes and thought we gave a good go at it. We were unlucky not to score a single goal today. Any other day we'd be winning this or at least tied it
 
No one was good. Maybe Smalling’s my MOTM just cause he made a few good tackles, or Matic for actually being composed and picking a pass... but in general pure shit all round.
 
Giroud is in 7th heaven, hahaha taste of some win... like a kid having sugar
 
So I did decide to miss the game, would someone care to summarize it in a few words for me ? I don't think I have the strength to watch a re-run of it now...
 
We scored one goal in our final four games, 360 minutes and 1 fecking goal!
This season has been complete wank.....City league winners, Chelsea FA cup winners and potentially Liverpool CL winners, I can’t think of a worse outcome to be fair.
I’m now finally with the Jose out group now, along with half the squad hopefully. So happy this season is over.
 
The first half was our usual cowardball with a deformed shape designed to stop them at the expense of any kind of attacking cohesion. Second half they became us as Conte is another Mourinho, they parked the bus and hoped for a counter, we huffed and puffed but bar one really good save when Rashford got through, and Pogba's missed header that was a sitter, we never really looked all that creative or dangerous, there's little in the way of understandimg or pattern when we attack, it's hit and hope stuff.
You have to wonder why the manager cannot accept that this tactic does not work. Had we started the first half like we did the second, it might have been different.
 
you dont want to critize Martial yet an-apologeticly bashing Lukaku (who has just returned from injury) & Mata who only played less than 10 minutes. Can you Martial FC stop with this nonsense? you lot are making me hate Martial. tell you what all players including manager deserve critiszm for this game.

I was criticising the manager. Isn’t martial supposed to be wanting to leave? If the manager believed in him then surely there wouldn’t be all these rumours. That’s not the player you want to come on and save the day. It’s all very feeble and basic I don’t have a particularly strong attachment to any of our players if I’m being totally honest, I think a few of them are hiding in plain sight. Any of them could leave and I wouldn’t really care.
 
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Jose just constantly talk about, 'I'm doing this' or, 'I'm doing that'

It's always about him!
 
How can anyone look at our attack and say we played well? Chelsea defended their 1 goal lead because that's all they are capable of this season. A half decent attack would have picked them apart and won 3-1 atleast.

Just because we had a feckload of possession does not mean we played well. Our chance creation rivals some Championship clubs.

Just wrong. It is very hard to actually score in football. I remember pep guardiola coming out last season when city drew with everton and said football is a different game, because with the possession city had in that match, if it were any other sport, they would have won comfortably. But not in football because it is very hard to actually score a goal. It becomes even more difficult when you are chasing goal because you are losing. Then it becomes even more difficult if the team defending is very good defensively. If you dont believe me, watch Inter Milan defend against Barca in the champions league semi final, where they just kept every player back and barca, even with messi could not break them down. Apply the same mechanics to us today.

Now if we had got the first goal, we would have defended and Chelsea would have struggled to break us down.
 
Oh this is such a downer . Chelsea were there for the taking . Bad tactics screwed our chances . Our starting 11 wasn't up to the mark . Rashford caved under pressure but he was trying . Sanchez and Lingard were big downers especially Sanchez because he doesn't bring anything to our plays and usually complicates everything even simple part . I don't know where his flicks are supposed to end up because all of them end up at the opposition feet . He has finished all our momentum from earlier this year . Pogba had an ordinary game and missed a sitter late on . I hope we keep hold of Martial because Sanchez and Rashford can't trusted next season .

Our defenders were ok since we always have one oh my god brain fart moment every game and today it ended up à penalty . Our full backs are shocking . We really need rreinforcement there . Apart from that midfield was so so . Herrera was too pre occupied with Hazard but still he played a couple of nice through balls . Matic was mostly good but he did scoff two long shots which could have been crucial but it is not his job to score the goals . I can see why we are so interested in Savic . We need crucial goals from midfield and Pogba always misses crucial chances .
 
in fairness Mr Mourinho at the start of the game man united where the one defending its only its only when Chelsea scored did they sit back, and we really only started attacking in the second half.
 
It's as bad as it was under Van Gaal (style wise). He needs to go and sharpish.

It's painful to watch and did he stop ddg from going up for the corner?!
 
Just look at the state of this place! Jones was unfortunate, chelsea capitalized and closed shop thats all to it!

He randomly passed it to a Chelsea player and put them on the attack before the foul that cost us the goal. It's not so much that he was unfortunate, it's just him being a liability. They closed up shop because they knew we wouldn't be good enough to break them down, which was proven right.
 

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  • 39% Chelsea 1:2 Man Utd
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  1. Chelsea
  2. Man Utd
Possession
33% 67%
Shots
6 18
Shots on Target
3 5
Corners
5 9
Fouls
11 13

Referee

Michael Oliver