[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Being beaten is fine, but you have to make it difficult, Hazard was forced into a wide angle and Jones made a tackle that had about a 10 percent chance of success. De gea def had a better chance of saving from that angle

10% is generous seen as Hazard's whole game is close control and drawing fouls by tempting the tackle and then moving the ball away after the defender commits.

 

[Heinzesight]

The quality on show from both sides was poor. The best bit of any football nous was Chelsea keeping the ball in the corner!

 

[Irrational.]

How can people blame Jose?

We controlled the whole game apart from Jones' brainfart. Chelsea had nothing and I think only tested DDG on one other occasion. They were lucky. Pogba should've equalised, and you'd expect a 90 million player to head a ball on target.

This brought back memories of the 2005 FA Cup final, we just didn't get the bounce of the ball. Play that game 10 times and we win 9 times, or at least take it to ET.

It's pretty depressing losing to this shit Chelsea team but it isn't the end of the world.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

If he hasn't realised this, someone needs to have a word with him, otherwise he will just sign players to make us defensively tighter and just hope for the best offensively as usual.

Sadly, he looks like a coach whose methods are outdated.

If you are going to play like that, take a leaf out of Simeone's book and have players who are fast and mobile in midfield and defence while having pacy forwards.

We have pace up front but our midfield and defence looks one paced which shouldn't be the case given how athletic Pogba is

 

[Raw]

So I did decide to miss the game, would someone care to summarize it in a few words for me ? I don't think I have the strength to watch a re-run of it now...

First half: Awful. Chelsea get a penalty from stupidity by Jones and sit back while we fail to even threaten their keeper.
Second half: Grew into it and started to threaten, had a period of about 20-30 minutes where we were well on top. Then we petered out and ended the game as shit as we started.

Chelsea were just happy to sit back and do a Mourinho on us.

 

[Son Of Sam]

This result was not down to Jones

It was.
Conte would have wanted the game to get to extra time & perhaps penalty shootout without Jones’ mistake.

I can’t even remember De Gea making any save. Chelsea were as poor as us - but they didn’t have a simpleton like Jones in their defence.

 

[MuranoLover]

So Jose is the one to blame that Pogba was all over the place and can't score alone in the penalty area , that our oldest players are the ones most running and caring ( Matic , Valencia , Ashley , Alexis ) ?

That Jones is an absolute idiot an probably Bailly is not in form so there was no other option ?

I see .

 

[simplyared]

Speculation but you wonder how important that final was for the boardroom. LVG was shown the door and he won it!

 

[minoo-utd]

A break finally from shit football.

 

[marukomu]

My wank is cancelled. Tomorrow maybe.

 

[GM K]

We got mourinhoed by Chelsea. This game was basically our manager's wet dream, except he was on the other side of it for once.

We gave them 45 minutes advantage and then lacked any sort of creativity or guile in the second half when we finally managed to put pressure on them. Chelsea played terribly for the most part, giving the ball back to us time and again but we did feck all with it.

Thank feck the season is over at least. Not really looking forward to the next one either.

Which 45 minutes? The first was balanced but for Jones' error. We outplayed them in the second half except we couldn't score. Congrats to Chelsea. It's painful but let's analyse the game correctly.

 

[glazed]

Good post, we were the best team in this game.

We were awful for the whole first half and didn't score in the second. How we were the best team is beyond me.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Because for some reason so many harshest on the kids. How about Sanchez turn up if he can?

Sanchez too poor but I don't see a giant fan base of his claiming he is our saviour and future. He's a stop gap and will be gone inside of 18 months.

The other two we are elevating as our future stars to bring us success. Clearly that isn't going to happen.

 

[GHam]

This. Did you see pogba smile towards the end with Hazard? I couldn’t believe what I was seeing imagine Gary Neville doing that.

Correct.

Manchester United need to man up. Fast.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Chelsea essentially did nothing to win that match.

We didn't start playing until 55min.

Alexis is pretty much useless.

Martial is our only player who consistently looks a threat with the ball at his feet and we're probably gonna sell him.

What an utterly useless game.

glad somone else thought that, for a guy earning around 400k a week, he offered nothing. Rashford is getting all the criticism, but Rashford is a squad player under Mourinho Sanchez is meant to be one of our main men... and he was shit!

 

[VanHaal'sRedArmy]

Good thing I missed this game.

 

[Marcky411]

Watching Sanchez reminds of Rooney somehow (not that bad yet). I hope next season after some rest he'll be fine, but I'm not very confident. We definitely did not need this signing.

I call Sanchez the Chilean Rooney, will only get worse. Was a great player but has burnt out early. Jose playing Sanchez no matter what is the same as LvG playing Rooney.

 

[Coxy]

It was.
Conte would have wanted the game to get to extra time & perhaps penalty shootout without Jones’ mistake.

I can’t even remember De Gea making any save. Chelsea were as poor as us - but they didn’t have a simpleton like Jones in their defence.

It wasn’t. We had x amount of minutes left to score - we didnt. That wasn’t jones fault

 

[kouroux]

A break finally from shit football.

Best thing about this indeed. This fecking season is over, roll on the world cup

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Sanchez too poor but I don't see a giant fan base of his claiming he is our saviour and future. He's a stop gap and will be gone inside of 18 months.

The other two we are elevating as our future stars to bring us success. Clearly that isn't going to happen.

hes not going anywhere with his wages, he will be here till the end of his contract

 

[endless_wheelies]

Whatever he is doing isn't working. We should be scoring 2-3 goals in these fixtures and not praying that one of our defenders doesn't make a mistake to gift the opposition one goal. That's Jose responsibility and it transcends the circumstances of one match. Our attack is simply not good enough.

Chelsea were pretty much back to their 2016-2017 defensive best, thinking we're just going to show up and put 2-3 goals past them when they've all united one last time to prepare for an FA Cup final is just nuts.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...inal-preview-premier-league-epl-a8357251.html

"If Saturday is to be his last match for Chelsea, though, it at least closes on the situation he is most accustomed to: competing for a trophy.

That has meant there has been a focus about his work again this week, a determination among the squad."

 

[Siorac]

Which 45 minutes? The first was balanced but for Jones' error. We outplayed them in the second half except we couldn't score. Congrats to Chelsea. It's painful but let's analyse the game correctly.

The first 45 minutes. We did nothing in that half. Not before the goal and not after it. Only in the second half did we actually start putting pressure on Chelsea.

 

[Kapardin]

I thought we played fairly well in the 2nd half. Chelsea in the 2nd half put in the sort of performance that we have been slagged off for most of the season, yet Keown was jizzing over it.

Over the course of the 90, Chelsea edged it, we were awful in the first half.


I am still Pro-Mourinho, but less so than I was at the start of this season. I think there is progress, but I am also concerned that two years into Mourinho at United, he doesn't know his best back four or his best front 3, yet just about every football fan could have predicted the Chelsea team, with the only real question mark being Courtois. It's worrying. Is next season going to be more further experimentation with winger-cum-fullbacks and a front 3/4 of centre fowards all over the place and no wingers? Urgh.

Then there isn't progress, is there? I mean, progress means optimism for what lies ahead. Do you honestly feel we can even retain 2nd (let alone win the lague) next season with this dross?

I was (and am) pro-Jose. I had a lot of faith in him. But he's doing a lot of things that are very suspect:

- Benching his own players that he bought like Bailly and even Lindelof (who has improved marginally) for Jones. No complaints over Smalling starting.

- Shoe-horning Sanchez at the cost of the attack. What Sanchez has done so far, the collective of Martial-Lingard-Lukaku were doing before his arrival. There was a semblance of chemistry developing.

- Chopping and changing attack, defense and formations, yet style of play remains shite as ever and too dependent on Lukaku, like it was on Ibra last season.

- No cohesiveness in attack. Inability to man-manage complicated personalities like Pogba and Martial.

- Sevilla. Deserves a special mention in itself.

Give Martial and Pogba to Guardiola, and I have no doubts that like Sterling, their performances will up a notch. That is why I am worried that this won't change no matter who we sign, Savic or any promising player. Jose gets one more season, but if it is more of the same shite, then his stint with us should be over.

 

[Marcky411]

Good thing I missed this game.

Oh you were lucky to have missed that painful performance.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Can you really blame Mourinho? We lost on a bullshit penalty

 

[redmanx]

No one was good. Maybe Smalling’s my MOTM just cause he made a few good tackles, or Matic for actually being composed and picking a pass... but in general pure shit all round.

Smalling had one his best games, but when he and Jones are paired together you just know one of them feck up

 

[Lash]

Sanchez and rashford were poor. Missed chances and mistakes. God I hope it get better next season.

 

[RoyH1]

Absolutely gutted. We were the better team, specially in the second half but our bad finishing and lack of creativity in the final third cost us. Pogba’s miss was awful. A 100 million player has to nail those in a final.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

The problem we have is that our big money players do not produce, is that the manager or did we vastly overpay?

I really don't know, but i think Mou has to take a lot of the blame. Just want to see how Mourinho does with 4-5 new signings next season, as i still see plenty of weaknesses to address in the squad. We have had 3 managers since SAF, i just want to stick with someone and see where it goes. At least he usually buys top shelf players, so it can't go all wrong, even if we have to suffer some boring football.

 

[Son Of Sam]

It wasn’t. We had x amount of minutes left to score - we didnt. That wasn’t jones fault

If we didn’t concede, we wouldn’t have lost. Match goes to extra-time & who knows?

 

[gerdm07]

Being beaten is fine, but you have to make it difficult, Hazard was forced into a wide angle and Jones made a tackle that had about a 10 percent chance of success. De gea def had a better chance of saving from that angle

I have to disagree. Hazard scores at least 90% of the time from that position. PKs are scored about 85% of the time (seems like a good guess) so Jones made the right tackle.

 

[AgentP]

Jose should share part of the blame as he brought in some those players.

But the quality is just not there , we have been mugged off in the transfer season for the last few years , paying crazy money for very average players.

A manager can't do anything about a 90M pound player missing an open header from a few yards out. Nor can he stop Sanchez been so sh!t , or Jones , or Martial etc.

Both Pogba and Sanchez were excellent for their previous clubs. So were Lukaku and Mkhi. Martial and Rashford were also playing better under Van Gaal. How is it that they all underperform now? I just think Jose is not a very good coach when it comes to playing attacking football. He is very good at organizing the defense, sitting back and hitting teams on the counter. This style might have brought him a lot of success but it does not bring the best out of our attackers.

 

[Shark]

I’ve had an awful feeling all week that we’d lose this final. That loss at home to West Brom, and shocking displays against Brighton and West Ham were not just the players downing tools because 2nd was secured, it’s surely been a much deeper issue. The players have fallen off a cliff at the end of this season and why that has been allowed to happen with an FA Cup final still to player for is very very worrying. is it truly the players this time around? Allowing Jose to spend another mini fortune in the summer window could be an another awful mistake.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

hes not going anywhere with his wages, he will be here till the end of his contract

Doubtful. MLS or China will beckon.

 

[Zexstream]

We need a whole new attack, Lukaku even fit is not enough.

Sanchez is a joke, always bossed off the ball, does nothing for us.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Sanchez too poor but I don't see a giant fan base of his claiming he is our saviour and future. He's a stop gap and will be gone inside of 18 months.

The other two we are elevating as our future stars to bring us success. Clearly that isn't going to happen.

Right, you'd expect more from 20/22 year old talents who are filling in/coming on as subs as opposed to a huge star who is first choice every game and paid an enormous amount? Makes sense.

Btw by virtue of being given the prominence and money that he has been afforded, Sanchez is actually the one being treated as the saviour. If anyone should be viewed through that particular lens, it's him.

 

[redmanx]

Correct.

Manchester United need to man up. Fast.

I agree, too many of our players think its just about them and their egos.

 

[Hugh Jass]

How can people blame Jose?

We controlled the whole game apart from Jones' brainfart. Chelsea had nothing and I think only tested DDG on one other occasion. They were lucky. Pogba should've equalised, and you'd expect a 90 million player to head a ball on target.

This brought back memories of the 2005 FA Cup final, we just didn't get the bounce of the ball. Play that game 10 times and we win 9 times, or at least take it to ET.

It's pretty depressing losing to this shit Chelsea team but it isn't the end of the world.

Should have at the bare minimum hit the target. Just knew it was not going to be our day when he missed that.

 

[Son Of Sam]

Can you really blame Mourinho? We lost on a bullshit penalty

He only gets blamed on team selection. Smalling & Jones might be good individually but they are awfully bad when they play together. Our best CB was on the bench....that is the only mistake Jose made.

 

[Random Task]

Absolutely. What is driving this though the tactics or the players?

No idea mate, probably a combination of the two among other things. One thing is for certain though, this 'bad half good half' act the players insist on dishing out simply must be ironed out next season.

Consistentcy has been our biggest issue this season.