EL W Europa League Group A

Manchester United 1:0 FC Zorya Luhansk

Post-match discussion


Thu, 29 September 2016

It really wasn't that bad. We made some decent chances and openings, and on other days we'd probably have scored more and won more comfortably. They never really threatened and I always thought we'd get at least one goal to win it, which I don't always think when watching us

Well, outside of the first rounds of the domestical cup competitions you would also have a hard time finding an opponent as poor as Luhansk today.

They did not threaten offensively, because a) they never truly attempted and b) lacked the ability to do so. The very few counters they had were played pretty darn terribly.

They basically surrendered the entire midfield to United, which led to the 80% possession at one point of the game. No pressure on the build up, no attempts to disrupt pass rotation, no urgency to go after the second balls. The only real plan the Ukranian side had was to sit in their own third and wait out United.

Now, that is the plan for a lot of smaller sides, but not even that plan was well executed. Given how many players Luhansk commited to close down space around and inside their box, it was quite frankly amazing how much exploitable space still existed. Their positional organization as a whole was atrocious.

Even as a neutral, it was frustrating as hell seeing all this space and United not taking advantage of that. Mata was the only offensive player really looking for these spaces, but the lack of movement in the final third made it hard for him to bring dangerous passes inside the box. Rashford certainly tried to make stuff happen, but often chose the more complicated ways to get into the right positions.

All in all, it is worrying how much United struggled to create chances even against such a lacklustre opponent. For their sake I can only hope that this was down more to lack of commitment and being mentaly already in preparation for the upcoming EPL fixtures.
 
433 is the way forward with this squad, anything else won't get the best out of the players. We need Blind or Carrick sitting deep both to protect the back 4 and to start the attacks. No point spending all that money on Pogba without making an effort to get him in his best suited role.
 
Savage having Rooney love in, plus some bellres on here rubbishing Lingard. BAU on the caf
 
More because we still have a lot of players which are not good enough...

You'd think the £149m investment in players, plus Zlatan, would have improved that. I don't think the players are the problem (with a couple of exceptions), it's the tactics not allowing them to show their best.
 
Few over reactions on here. We played well for the most part against a team who just wanted to defend for their lives with 11 men behind the ball.

Not all teams can tear a part a bus parking team.
 
This has nothing to do with van Gaal players.

The team was set up wrong, and I think it is deliberate from Mourinho. He knows what his best 11 are. And that was who played on Sunday. He wanted to win this, but not as much as he wants to win against Stoke on Sunday. Rojo, TFM and Fellaini is serviceable at least to get a win. We'll play worse than Sunday, but enough to get a win. Which is what happened today.
To win in this league and Europe you will need to find the right mix of first choice and squad players without sacrificing too much of the quality of the play. Mourinho hasn't found it at the moment, but he will keep trying to do that in competitions that we can afford to lose. Make no mistake, he wants to win EPL badly with Pep as his main rival
 
You'd think the £149m investment in players, plus Zlatan, would have improved that. I don't think the players are the problem (with a couple of exceptions), it's the tactics not allowing them to show their best.

Players like Fellaini, Rooney, Young, Lingard, Rojo are still playing so yes... Few new players aren't going to make those average players into World class ones.
 
Few over reactions on here. We played well for the most part against a team who just wanted to defend for their lives with 11 men behind the ball.

Not all teams can tear a part a bus parking team.

All good ones can.
 
Few over reactions on here. We played well for the most part against a team who just wanted to defend for their lives with 11 men behind the ball.

Not all teams can tear a part a bus parking team.

There was no tempo, general sloppyness from start to finnish, the crowd didn't have much to get them excited all night, generally felt flat. I don't think we played well at all personally. Another deeply underwhelming Europa match for me.
 
Why the hell does our level drop off so much? it's been happening for three years now. One good performance followed by five poor ones. It must be some of the players, it's just not on.
 
Players like Fellaini, Rooney, Young, Lingard, Rojo are still playing so yes... Few new players aren't going to make those average players into World class ones.

I agree - no amount of new players would turn average players into World class players.

Who decides to field those average players? Who selects the team? What about our players who are World class? Why aren't they performing?
 
Why the hell does our level drop off so much? it's been happening for three years now. One good performance followed by five poor ones. It must be some of the players, it's just not on.

We have maybe 11 players who can play at the level required, when we rotate some of the dross in (Fellaini, Young etc) we can't drag them up.
 
We lack width and speed in our play. Teams just pack the middle against us, it is so easy to play against us.
I was hoping by not having to fit Rooney into the team we would go 433 with 3 in midfield and 2 men out wide to stretch the pitch.
Shame after Saturdays game we went back to slow and ponderous.
 
This has nothing to do with van Gaal players.

The team was set up wrong, and I think it is deliberate from Mourinho. He knows what his best 11 are. And that was who played on Sunday. He wanted to win this, but not as much as he wants to win against Stoke on Sunday. Rojo, TFM and Fellaini is serviceable at least to get a win. We'll play worse than Sunday, but enough to get a win. Which is what happened today.
To win in this league and Europe you will need to find the right mix of first choice and squad players without sacrificing too much of the quality of the play. Mourinho hasn't found it at the moment, but he will keep trying to do that in competitions that we can afford to lose. Make no mistake, he wants to win EPL badly with Pep as his main rival

This.
 
Crikey.

That ain't something to be proud of.

Put warrington vs St. Helens on instead as I'm a rugby league fan anyway and it was much better watching a sporting event where the 2 sets of teams were showing passion and desire to win and it was a far more entertaining spectacle.

Yes I could've sat through another 45 mins of pure trash getting more and more annoyed or I could just switch over and watch something that I'd personally enjoy watching more and I did.

After that first 45 mins I just couldn't be arsed watching us struggle against a load of Ukrainian farmers in a piss poor competition tonight.
 
Just on the way back from the game, that was really poor. Just not enough energy and too much sloppiness.

It was all summed up in the 60th or so minute when some lad a few rows behind me screamed 'useless fecking cnuts!' which got a laugh out of everyone :lol:
 
Ffs, it was a home game against a team nobody has ever heard of, they came to play for a draw. Its not like we won in njury time or something, there are some things which are wrong with our team but we won with 22' to go. Jose cant play the same team for all 50 odd games, its not his fault if players are not up for it. Pogba was terrible today but can we drop him for the next game? No and its not about only his price, who have we got that will significantly improve us? For Stoke, we'd obviously have Blind and Herrera in and you'll see the difference.

Fellaini, Rojo are not even squad players.

Rooney has no role here, just let him take the next 4 penalties and ship him off to China.
 
A rather lacklustre game, a bit like the Feyenoord one but only this time we managed to get the goal. Everyone talks about getting back into the Champions League next season but if we're struggling to break down teams like the one we played tonight then we're going to go out in the group stage.
 
Please no more Pogba-Fellaini in a 2 man midfield.
Yip.

Thought Jose would have seen how previous outing with these two was a disaster and how everything clicked v Leicester when changed formation and allowed Pogba to do what he does best (push up).

Even if the personnel had to change, why not retain a system that brings the best out of players? :confused:

Odd.
 
I was encouraged by the good understanding that's developing between Mata, Pogba and Zlatan. But Fellaini was a massive issue in midfield and we were too poor overall in the wide areas.
 
Well, I missed about 25 minutes, largely due to United ballsing my ticket up but what I saw was bit uninspiring. Made hard work of things and created little against a Zorya side that had very little quality. Shit game for the neutral. There was a lot of sideways passing and nobody was willing to try and make something happen. Didn't look good defensively either, largely due to Pogba and the awful Fellaini not being defensive midfielders in any sense of the word.

A win is a win though, and Zlatan was due a goal.
 
Why is everyone saying that Rooney made an assist? That was a shot on goal! Same as that Martial shot against Bournemouth, I think. Fine, I know he was the last one to touch the ball before Zlatan, but it was not an assist. Am I missing something?
 
First home game I've been at this year. Feels like the day we drew 0-0 with Exeter. Pogba. Meh.
I remember taking my old man to the PSV game last season, he'd been unwell for 12 months or so and not been to a game for a few seasons. I felt guilty when it ended 0-0. I was watching the game tonight just praying the fans got a goal to cheer, so as dull as it was, you're one up on my last European experience at OT!
 
A player like Schweinsteiger would be perfect next to Pogba or Herrera, in a game like this, where opponents came to defend a 0-0.

That perfect assist from Rooney though!
Haters will say it was luck, and that he tried to shoot.
 
I think Fellaini is the only player have seen win a ball first and end up committing a foul. Hopefully, Mourinho sees now how he's holding the team back and stick with Herrera.
 
Think people are being a bit harsh on Rooney - that was a top quality assist.
 
It looks like the entire team isn't connecting all to well despite the fact who is playing where. I sure miss Kagawa in situation like this. I think the team will connect better if we have a player, like Kagawa passes the ball and move forward so he can be always linked like touch & go, touch & go, throughout the game. I think that's the main reason why we completely lack in fluidty. Mata does something similar, but he does it horizontally or sideways.
 
People needs to let Schweinsteiger go. He won't play this season barring a catastrophic injury problem. I can accept that. What confused me though why Jose sees Fellaini is the one who played when Herrera is not playing instead of Carrick.
 
Problem is, I expect Fellaini to play the simple pass and just provide cover. But I expected much more from Pogba. So this combo just doesn't work for Pogba and he was really quite not interested in the game.
 
I remember taking my old man to the PSV game last season, he'd been unwell for 12 months or so and not been to a game for a few seasons. I felt guilty when it ended 0-0. I was watching the game tonight just praying the fans got a goal to cheer, so as dull as it was, you're one up on my last European experience at OT!

Nice! Nothing better than seeing the folks enjoy the experience. l'm bringing my mam and dad to the West Ham game for my mams 70th birthday this season. Always worth remembering how lucky we are to enjoy OT.
 
How can anyone say we played well? We had 0 shots on target until the 42nd minute against a team none of us ever heard before
 

Player Ratings

5.7 Total Average Rating

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Score Predictions

726,16,18
  • Man Utd win
  • Zorya win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 37% Man Utd 3:0 Zorya
  • 20% Man Utd 2:0 Zorya
  • 15% Man Utd 4:0 Zorya
  • 12% Man Utd 5:0 Zorya
  • 5% Man Utd 3:1 Zorya
  • 2% Man Utd 2:1 Zorya
  • 2% Man Utd 1:0 Zorya
  • 2% Man Utd 4:1 Zorya
  • 2% Man Utd 0:0 Zorya
  • 1% Man Utd 0:5 Zorya
  • 1% Man Utd 5:1 Zorya
  • 1% Man Utd 1:1 Zorya
  • 1% Man Utd 0:1 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 1:2 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 1:3 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 5:2 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 3:5 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 5:4 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 5:5 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 0:3 Zorya
  • 0% Man Utd 4:2 Zorya
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Match Stats

  1. Man Utd
  2. Zorya
Possession
72% 28%
Shots
15 8
Shots on Target
2 1
Corners
9 4
Fouls
11 9

Referee

Orel Grinfeld