A semi okay result but the performance was poor. We rely too much on Big Dave to dig us out in games. If he leaves in the summer I dread to think what will happen next year.
CL D Champions League Round of 16 1st Leg
Sevilla 0:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Wed, 21 February 2018
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Losing means we have to take risk leaving our back exposed trying to get a goal. The other team would have more chance to score goal when we can't look back but push forward? If both team hold out for a stalemate, then we're to be disqualified. How can it better?
Why is it all hopeful for us to score against them at their home ground when ref let them have home advantage kicking us with little to none punishment, but all negative about our chance at our home?
Because one away goal nullifies another away goal so for me its always good to have at least one even if we are chasing a result at home. Now we are playing at home and the moment they score we'll be in trouble and even if we go ahead theres the looming threat of an away goal and we end up drawing and getting knocked out. Maybe i'm exaggerating or may be i'm just pissed that we couldnt put fecking Sevilla away if it were Barcelona or Madrid i'd stomach it.
Or scoring once and creating several good chances at the effing Bernabeu. Or controlling the game at the San Siro against Inter. Or winning at Stamford Bridge.
The revisionism regarding the Fergie years is starting to grate a bit. Some happily pretend we always played shit football back then, just to avoid having to criticise Mourinho in any way.
We are playing awfully right now and have been for a while. Yesterday was just another lifeless performance in a long line of those.
Make no sense.
I mean how can you be certain that we can go from behind, and the other team not scoring when we open up our defense when go for the attack?
Sevilla should have had at least 3 players sent off! And my referee Arsenal fan friend agrees.. N'Zonzi straight leg into Mata should have been red all day. Lucky no leg was broken!
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He lost the ball multiple times and played the ball straight out of play a couple of times too. Completing passes to your centre backs is nothing to be proud of.
The only downside about N’Zonzi and Banega is their age. If they were both younger, they would be an excellent addition to almost any team. IMO they are better than Matic/Herrera/Fellaini/McTominay.
I was lucky not to stay up to at 3 am to watch this game. Just finish the full match highlights and it seems correct decision. It’s an horrible game and it makes me angry but then indifference feeling sets in.
It’s become bad watching us lately, the players doesn’t seem interested, lumbering, slow play everywhere on the pitch.
The set up/tactic becomes disoriented since Sanchez introduced to the squad immediately.
Think something is wrong since Sanchez signing.
It’s become bad watching us lately, the players doesn’t seem interested, lumbering, slow play everywhere on the pitch.
The set up/tactic becomes disoriented since Sanchez introduced to the squad immediately.
Think something is wrong since Sanchez signing.
Agreed. People will tell you all sorts of myths to justify their own thoughts. Fergie has left a shite and ageing squad despite walking the league in his final season. Fergie being a dinosaur in Europe, despite doing really well and being beaten by the Barca in their prime and cuneyt cakir.
Our game last night was awful. We are really several levels below than we should be. We still do not know what are our tactics and formations ffs. Most of the players that were bought by Mou are far less productive than we expected them to be.
It's getting more and more apparent that Mourinho is not the manager to take us back to where we want to be. I for one, was very disappointed to watch the drivel of shite served and I can no longer blame the players. Our manager is just too negative. Jose please prove me wrong.
Take that performance to any other bigger team and we are fecked. Mourinho didn't even try to play a counter attack.
I've rated N'Zonzi and Banega for many years, and whilst I think Banega is better than all of our CMs (including Pogba), I don't think N'Zonzi is better than Matic. The rest you listed, yeah.
What? By "score draw" I mean if the result is 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc. at Old Trafford, Sevilla go through. In any case where a draw involves goals Sevilla will go through. How did Chelsea vs Barca get into this?!
The team just looks tired. A lot of players havent been rested enough this season and it looks like its starting to show
if we nick it at home, of the then 8 teams remaining, we'll be the ones everyone else wants to get.
Another piece of brilliance by Mou the wizard!
Just pathetic and not what a club like United should 'play' like. Think we will pay for this at the re-match as I can clearly see Sevilla score one at OT.
Just pathetic and not what a club like United should 'play' like. Think we will pay for this at the re-match as I can clearly see Sevilla score one at OT.
The Roma/Shakatar winner is going to be the one everyone wants to get.
Oh ... my . So rubbish against Sevilla of all teams. Why are they doing this?
No. What 2nd leg result sees us through with these, that doesn‘t now?
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Why are they tired? There was a training camp in Dubai. Our last game was on Saturday and the one before was another week before that. The team have had plenty of rest with full weeks in between games. I'm not buying this not rested issue. None of the other big teams are tired. Why is this team tired?
And that would be great if it was an isolated situation. Your typical European away performance happened versus minnows in the PL as well. It's now a staple in our menu, that's that issue.What's cringy is that you're incapable of understanding my point, which is that it's a typical European away performance. Hardly the disaster some make it out to be.
SAF would do this every year in the knockout rounds of the CL, start the away leg with a 4-5-1. He'd try to nick a goal in the last 15 minutes, but generally be conservative.
I think we should all have some perspective here. Mourinho is one of the best European competition managers EVER. He's won 4 major European trophies with 3 different clubs.
I agree that Sanchez isn't settled. And the team seems to run out of ideas. I never thought I'd say this, but Lingard is so critical to everything we do, he's almost undroppable. Defensively, he drops behind the ball and buzzes around disrupting the opposing midfielders and CBs. Offensively, he never stops running, and is blazing fast on the break. Not sure why Mou didn't play him, but we certainly looked more threatening when Martial and Rashford came on.
I don't think we should panic after that performance. Sevilla is a good side, Banega and Nzonzi are legit. If they had a decent striker, we'd probably be down 1-0. Our performance wasn't great but if we perform in the home leg, we'll advance.
What excellent European performances where we went and outplayed the opposition and won convincingly do you remember? I only really remember Roma in 2008 and Schalke in 2011 in the knockout stages from Fergie's last decade.
Lyon, Roma 07, Porto, Milan 07, Bayern, Inter were all very ordinary performances where we either drew or lost too, off the top of my head, from the last decade.
We hardly ever dominated teams away from home in Europe in Fergie's last years as manager.
Agree with your overall point that the result is not OK even though your argument is a little flawed. 0:0 is the same difference as a one goal margin score loss. Either way we need to win the second leg to go through. Surely, god forbid, the masterplan cannot be … draw scoreless again and take them to ET and penalties
This was not Barcelona, Real, PSG, Bayern or even Juve though! Giving them so much respect and time on the ball was a mistake – and it was our game plan. Their defence was terrible and to have only one shot on target (and McTomminay at that) has to be down more to the managers set up and the tactics than underperforming personnel.
Yes, our record was fantastic, I am not denying that. The point is we did not set up to dominate those teams, we very often sat back and countered or nullified the opposition waiting for their mistakes. Especially in KO as in groups it's a bit easier.
This was usually not as deep as yesterday but still we were not a team that went abroad to attack for 90 minutes as people seem to remember us.
Interestingly, we got the exact same scoreline in the away leg of a knock-out tie the last three times we got to a CL final.
That was abject. I’m fed up of it now.
That wasn’t a “Mourinho Masterclass” - if we had gone there and defended properly, kept possession and nullified them to a couple of shots from range, whilst looking at least a little dangerous on the counter, I would have been pleased.
That was such a nothing performance. We didn’t defend well, a better team would have scored at least a couple, and we created maybe one half chance going forward
The players can’t knock three passes together, Matic and Pogba play with the pace and intensity of a pair of slugs.
Mata is just not a professional athlete. I don’t care if you’ve got Ronaldinho’s footballing ability, if you’re THAT slow and THAT weak you’re not fit to play top level football. It summed it up when Lukaku took that free kick - me and my mate turned to each other at the same time and said “can Mata even reach?”, shortly before Steve McManaman said the same thing! We are talking about a professional football not being able to kick the ball 35yards! Does nobody think that’s mental? Am I going crazy?
Why is Ashley Young at LB? How is Shaw going to improve if he isn’t selected? I didn’t think Shaw was great against Huddersfield but by continuing to pick Young we are damaging any chance Shaw does have of becoming a top quality full back
Valencia is rubbish. Let’s face it. Plays like a player from “SEGA Soccer” on the MegaDrive! Can only move in four directions! Can only use one foot! His defending is OK when faced up because his physical attributes get him out of trouble but he was all over the place last night positionally and his crossing is disgustingly bad for a professional football.
I could go on and on....I’m genuinely at the stage where I don’t know whether to blame Jose, the players or both. Something is wrong. Those players might be bad players - but they aren’t THAT bad. So what’s going on? Are they desperately confused by Jose’s tactics? Are they not playing for the manager for some reason? Are we suffering because so many of them are incompatible with each other? Are they just not trying hard enough?
I have to say, we slammed LvG (well i didn’t) but at least he had a plan and the players executed it!
That wasn’t a “Mourinho Masterclass” - if we had gone there and defended properly, kept possession and nullified them to a couple of shots from range, whilst looking at least a little dangerous on the counter, I would have been pleased.
That was such a nothing performance. We didn’t defend well, a better team would have scored at least a couple, and we created maybe one half chance going forward
The players can’t knock three passes together, Matic and Pogba play with the pace and intensity of a pair of slugs.
Mata is just not a professional athlete. I don’t care if you’ve got Ronaldinho’s footballing ability, if you’re THAT slow and THAT weak you’re not fit to play top level football. It summed it up when Lukaku took that free kick - me and my mate turned to each other at the same time and said “can Mata even reach?”, shortly before Steve McManaman said the same thing! We are talking about a professional football not being able to kick the ball 35yards! Does nobody think that’s mental? Am I going crazy?
Why is Ashley Young at LB? How is Shaw going to improve if he isn’t selected? I didn’t think Shaw was great against Huddersfield but by continuing to pick Young we are damaging any chance Shaw does have of becoming a top quality full back
Valencia is rubbish. Let’s face it. Plays like a player from “SEGA Soccer” on the MegaDrive! Can only move in four directions! Can only use one foot! His defending is OK when faced up because his physical attributes get him out of trouble but he was all over the place last night positionally and his crossing is disgustingly bad for a professional football.
I could go on and on....I’m genuinely at the stage where I don’t know whether to blame Jose, the players or both. Something is wrong. Those players might be bad players - but they aren’t THAT bad. So what’s going on? Are they desperately confused by Jose’s tactics? Are they not playing for the manager for some reason? Are we suffering because so many of them are incompatible with each other? Are they just not trying hard enough?
I have to say, we slammed LvG (well i didn’t) but at least he had a plan and the players executed it!
Complete and utter nonsense. Why do away goals turn rational people into idiots? Happens every year.Just saw this thread. The caf's rating system is a joke.
It just takes a couple of bad results to cause a negative goal difference. They have only scored 31 goals. Their away record in the league is 5/0/8. So they don't seem to do draws. Their defence is not great so we really should have put them under more pressure and but for some great saves from DDG we could have lost, which looking at that record would have been a bit humiliating. Their away record does give us a great chance of going through.
Shakhtar who beat Man City? Roma who have handled Chelsea away better than we have? I love our club but right now on form we are not better than those two teams.
Read something similar in the pre match thread as well
Losing is better than drawing
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We played much better, more cohesive football than what we saw yesterday. No one is pretending we went away and dominated. That's the opposite extreme compared to this Sevilla game. There's plenty in between, no need to talk in extremes all the time.
Matic is probably more technically gifted than N’Zonzi but not as athletic.
The midfield is definitely the strongest part of Sevilla’s team. Their attack is clueless.
That never ceases to amaze me. How can you follow football for so many years yet still fail to grasp the simple concept of away goals rule?
The only English team not to score in the last 16 so far, very disappointing. This really isn't the Manchester United I grew up watching, this team has a lot of improving to do.
Missed the game, but we're in the box seat with OT to come. We'll beat this lot.
They’ve only lost one game at home all season. In any competition. So they’re definitely a different proposition on the road.
Yeah, I can agree with both points.
We created the better chances against Inter, Roma 07 we were down to 10 men after 26 minutes and the rest we were either outplayed or unlucky.
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Score Predictions
320,68,185
- Man Utd win
- Sevilla win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 24% Sevilla 1:1 Man Utd
- 16% Sevilla 1:2 Man Utd
- 16% Sevilla 0:1 Man Utd
- 14% Sevilla 0:2 Man Utd
- 6% Sevilla 0:0 Man Utd
- 5% Sevilla 2:1 Man Utd
- 3% Sevilla 1:3 Man Utd
- 3% Sevilla 0:3 Man Utd
- 3% Sevilla 2:0 Man Utd
- 2% Sevilla 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Sevilla 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Sevilla 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Sevilla 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Sevilla 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Sevilla 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Sevilla 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Sevilla 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Sevilla 2:3 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Sevilla
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 57% 43%
- Shots
- 25 6
- Shots on Target
- 8 1
- Corners
- 12 4
- Fouls
- 12 22
Referee
Clement Turpin
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Paul Pogba
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replaced by Marcus Rashford
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