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Premier League Fixtures (26 - 29 Dec)
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Well in spurs.
Good win for Spurs, they just have to keep winning as it's going to be tough for them to get 4th imo, personally I don't see them doing it, but that's by the by
I want Spurs to get 4th. Anyone but Shitty!
Bringing on Crouch was a masterstroke. He's great defensively
Bringing on Crouch was a masterstroke. He's great defensively
Van Der Vaart/Modric/Bale/Lennon, that is a top class midfield.
Lennon was poor tonight though
VdV makes the PL look easy
Very true but what do we know, the PL is supposed to be the toughest league in the world ..
Pretty good performance from Spurs, considering we played with just 10 men for 70 odd minutes: Defoe's red card was very harsh.
The result keeps us well in touch with top 4. Newcastle at home up next.
The result keeps us well in touch with top 4. Newcastle at home up next.
You can be proud of Spurs, mate.
Very offensive team, You got there with Bale, Lennon and Modric, constantly improving their game.
Pardew brought down back to earth.
City must think they are going to win the title now
City must think they are going to win the title now
City won't win the league but they will definitely finish in top 4 in my opinion. I think the only hope for Tottenham to make top 4 is that Chelsea have another period of injuries like they had in December, I think it's actually likely to happen at some point. They messed up big time by drawing against them at home, a win would see them above Chelsea now.
I'll be shocked if they finish ahead of Chelsea but truth is Chelsea are the only side who, with some injuries, could drop the level below and allow Tottenham into top 4 because the rest of the current top 4 is superior to them and have enough depth.
I'll be shocked if they finish ahead of Chelsea but truth is Chelsea are the only side who, with some injuries, could drop the level below and allow Tottenham into top 4 because the rest of the current top 4 is superior to them and have enough depth.
Not really. Any decent attacking side would waltz through the centre of that midfield, without breaking stride.
Like who? we didnt, Chelsea didnt, Arsenal didnt, City didnt.
They didn't play a midfield four of Van Der Vaart/Modric/Bale/Lennon...
Hold on, i see where the confusion is here, i wasn't referring to the above 4 as a flat 4 or certainly wasn't meaning to, i meant more to have those players in and around the midfield area, obviously Palacios or Huddelstone plays alongside Modric and VDV further forward.
Much as it pains me to say so I think Spurs are at least as good as City. They've had a fair bit of luck of late so when the pendulum swings the other way they may come unstuck.
City or Spurs have had the luck?
Spurs comfortably have a better team than City and play much better football.
Agreed.
I wouldn't say comfortably better. Spurs are using their better players whereas city are using Barry Milner etc.
City have a miles better strike force with tevez and balotelli
Spurs have a better midfield but toure silva Johnson are all good players
Both defences aren't the best, Kompany is turning into a very good cb though
City have the better keeper
City have a miles better strike force with tevez and balotelli
Spurs have a better midfield but toure silva Johnson are all good players
Both defences aren't the best, Kompany is turning into a very good cb though
City have the better keeper
Who would you rather as manager of the team you supported? Redknapp or Mancini?
(Serious question)
(Serious question)
A fully fit Spurs first team is much better than Citys in my view, compare Van Der Vaart and Modric to anything City have in midfield, James milner/Gareth Barry/De Jong etc those two alone have more creativity and vision than every midfielder at City, Bale and Lennon are far better wide players than Adam Johnson and Co, defensively id take King and Dawson over Toure and Kompany not to mention Hutton whos a better right back than Micah Richards.
Then you compare the football the sides play its totally different, Spurs play with great pace and thrill you, lots of flair to go with it, City bore the pants off viewers, they are dull slow and negative their football really is coma inducing at times and they rely totally on Tevez for goals.
Spurs for me are a much better team.
Whilst I agree with you, what do we class Silva as? Midfielder, winger, striker?
He tends to play from wide to inside left most of the time doesn't he? its hard to really define a position for him i suppose, hes looked a good player but id rate Van Der Vaart a better one who plays the similar role for Spurs, much more of a goal threat to.
Oh I agree, except for one thing, us, Chelsea and Arsenal are great teams, City is a group of great individuals. Silva I think is arguably the greatest player to put on a city shirt and could be equally as effective as vandervart if all those around him played as a team.
That's a big statement, what about Kinky?!
I don't think either City or Spurs have a "comfortably better" side than either.
This is eaach side's best 11 (imo):
This is eaach side's best 11 (imo):
Gomez
Corluka Gallas King BAE
Huddlestone Modric
Lennon --- VDV --- Bale
Defoe
Tevez
Silva ----- Milner ----- Johnson
Toure De Jong
Kolarov Kompany Toure Zabaletta
Hart
Obviously the formation/line up is debatble but neither will be too far wide of the mark and it's clear to see both are pretty close.Corluka Gallas King BAE
Huddlestone Modric
Lennon --- VDV --- Bale
Defoe
Tevez
Silva ----- Milner ----- Johnson
Toure De Jong
Kolarov Kompany Toure Zabaletta
Hart
Yeah thats a major point City are not a team and at the end of the day individuals dont win titles although even then i wouldn't even say they are full of great individuals, they have 2 high quality individual players for me in Silva and Tevez who carry their team certainly as an attacking unit, after those two there's very little else to write home about in that squad really, nothing ive seen from Balotelli suggests hes anything like great right now.
Give me a Choice of either of those elevens turning out for United and the Spurs one win hands down every time.
Hart > Gomes
Hutton > Zabaleta
King > Toure
Kompany > Dawson/Gallas
Ekotto > Kolorov (seen nothing of him so far and Ekotto has impressed me this season)
De Jong <> Huddelstone
Modric >>>> Toure
Van Der Vaart >>>>>> Milner
Lennon <> Johnson
Bale > Silva
Tevez > Defoe
I'm not saying 1 side isn't better than the other, i'm saying 1 side isn't "comfortably better" and just because you favour the Spurs players 7 to 4 it doesn't mean they're comfortably better as some of them are really close contests. Especially when you factor in the likes of King have serious injury problems.
If I was making a best 11 between the 2 squads it would look something like:
Hart
Richards Kompany Gallas BAE
Y.Toure Modric
Johnson ----- VDV ----- Bale
Tevez
Richards Kompany Gallas BAE
Y.Toure Modric
Johnson ----- VDV ----- Bale
Tevez
Thats your opinion which is fair enough but i don't share it, i wouldn't have Micah Richards and Adam Johnson anywhere near a combined eleven frankly, not over players who've vastly outperformed them this season.
I think if Spurs could get their best eleven on the pitch consistently they are a far more dangerous side than City, they have so much pace and flair in their side id take facing City over them any day.
For what its worth my combined Spurs/City team would be:
...............Hart
Hutton King - Kompany - Ekotto
.........Y.Toure Modric
Lennon ----- VDV ----- Bale
...............Tevez
Hutton King - Kompany - Ekotto
.........Y.Toure Modric
Lennon ----- VDV ----- Bale
...............Tevez
They're only more dangerous because of Redknapp though. Mancini has often played 3 defensive midfield players in home ties. Sometimes Redknapp doesn't play any.
In the right hands that City side could be very dangerous.
The argument that Spurs are considerably better just doesnt stack up in other areas too. City are higher in the league for a start, they have 5 more points (though have played a game more) and all this during what you could describe as being a pretty turbulent season so far with a lot of change and what not.
I just think Spurs are a better 'team' with more players capable of hurting you, i don't believe City are a team thats going to scare to many sides, one or two quality players up top aside theres not much there in my view to worry a top level defence, Spurs have 4 players in midfield alone who can at any time win them a game and play at a level i dont see Citys comparable players being able to.
As for the league yes City are higher at the moment although as mentioned they've played more games than Spurs, Spurs have also been destroyed defensively this season, King and Dawson are their best two defenders both have hardly kicked a ball all season, thats like us without Rio and Vidic, look how we struggled early season without Ferdinand and with Evans out of sink, plus lots of niggly injury's to VDV and missing Defoe their best striker hasn't helped, plus i do think Citys style of play ie defend and dont lose at all costs compared to Spurs more gung ho approach has cost Spurs more points, as being positive can often do if your defensively weakened.
Its just my personal view when i look at the teams, i see a full strength spurs side as a very dangerous prospect and a better one than Citys, i think the pace of Spurs play is very difficult to contain when they are in full flow.
Interesting stuff, lads, but this thread is supposed to be about this week's fixtures.
Why not start a Spurs v City thread? It's a tough call who's got the better squad and should generate a lot of debate.
Why not start a Spurs v City thread? It's a tough call who's got the better squad and should generate a lot of debate.
Yes sorry this is getting a bit off track.
I see your point with King but can he really be counted? It's like us saying "oh yeh but we're missing Hargreaves".
Oh and also, I forgot Silva. I'd have him in my side without question. Surely you overlooked him by mistake too?
And a further also, like I said earlier i'm not saying 1 is better etc etc but I just can't agree that 1 is considerably better than the other when all evidence we have so far indicates that they are pretty close.
Maybe considerably better is a stretch although in terms of the respective football both clubs play Spurs is considerably better in that respect.
As for Silva i didnt forget him i just dont see him as a better player than either VDV or Bale in those positions, who would i prefer at left wing Silva or Bale? Bale hands down, VDV or Silva behind the striker? on the form of both this season and their respective output VDV for me.
Anyway i see a threads been created on this topic, maybe a nice mod could copy this discussion into that thread at some point as weve taken this a bit off track which is my fault.
Lennon is not a better player than Adam Johnson. I think Silva is a better player than VDV and that was fairly obvious before both of their moves. Now VDV is in better form since he's joined Spurs and Silva is still adapting, but I don't think he's the better player. Let's also not forget that Spurs are playing to VDV's strengths, putting him in a free role off the striker, whereas Silva has been dicked about by Mancini, but even then his quality has shown through. Not to mention Spurs style of play is more suited to both players rather than City's.
Spurs may be a better side than City and I also agree that they play better football, but they're not 'comfortably' better, they're not that good. Maybe if they had Tevez/Balotelli rather than Crouch/Pavly/Defoe as their strikers, they would be comfortably better.
Spurs may be a better side than City and I also agree that they play better football, but they're not 'comfortably' better, they're not that good. Maybe if they had Tevez/Balotelli rather than Crouch/Pavly/Defoe as their strikers, they would be comfortably better.
I refuse to apologise.