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Lamela made the most out of it but have to say that was a clumsy tackle by VVD. There was no need for him to do such a stupid thing. Rash and clumsy to say the least.
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Lamela made the most out of it but have to say that was a clumsy tackle by VVD. There was no need for him to do such a stupid thing. Rash and clumsy to say the least.
Yeah same here. And even if some thought there was little or even no contact, he's still swinging his legs towards Lemala's calf. He gets so close that even if there was little contact, it's still enough to be convincing.
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You see the first contact? Then the second one?
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Is this a joke? This video is slowed down so the impact isn't as clear. Try watching the two other clips clearly showing the impact.
Been a good weekend for Utd. Increased the gap between us and Liverpool/Spurs.
Hopefully Watford take points off Chelsea tomorrow.
Hopefully Watford take points off Chelsea tomorrow.
There are about 2, 3 videos in which a kick is clear as daylight.Coming from one of the biggest WUMs on the board
Clearly there is a debate to be had because it's not only all over this board (with opinion split even between United fans) but all over other forums and commentators. So it obviously isn't as clear cut as you lot (die-hard United fans) would like it to be.
Yours truly a die-hard Liverpool fan.
You still try to spin it like it wasn't a pen.
I suppose they want attackers to be able to go there, which kinda makes sense - but still looks very strange to me.
I shall try to remember it as the ''bodged deliberate act'' clause from now on,
.I see the kick to the calf on this one but didn't really see it in the other videos.
Doesn't matter. Great weekend for us.
Is the correct answer.
However I'm not going to argue with every naysayer on this. The evidence is clear, it was never a penalty. That said if I was a United fan I wouldn't give a shit .. it would have been the result I wanted no matter how it came about and the fact Liverpool fans are incensed would only make it the sweeter
This is correct. As a united fan I'd rather you draw feeling hard done by for sure.
Best result for us.
Lets see what sort of mental gymnastics @Rafateria comes up with now. VVD bottled it - ref got it right, stop crying.
do the ''not a pen people'' think VVD throws his arms up so as to distract away from having booted Lamela on the back of the leg?
(it's a bit soft, & Lamela is hamming it up, but VVD kicks him, Clive)
(it's a bit soft, & Lamela is hamming it up, but VVD kicks him, Clive)
This was the best they could do with the subtitles: [Scouse gibberish]
VVD kicked him so cleanly that his leg recoiled as a response, it looked like VVD had no idea Lamela was there...he had a rush of blood and tried to hoof it.
How is that soft? It's a kick full force to the back of the knee
So we got what we wanted
Was decent entertainment but not the match of the season.I don’t see how anyone can say these were dives, Kane was stretching to keep the ball had it and the keeper clipped him. The second one was a 50/50 ball and Lamela went for it, got him self between the ball and VVD.
It's always Liverpool fans who dig up one favorable angle of an incident and run with it.
All other angles make it look like a stonewall pen. Accept the decision and deal with it.
All other angles make it look like a stonewall pen. Accept the decision and deal with it.
You are wrong on the second one as the gif above your post clearly shows. He smashes him in the back of the knee. It's as clear as day.
Purrfect!!
I cannot believe people are still not seeing it.
He absolutely hoofs him in the back of the leg. It's a clear penalty even though Van Shite didn't mean to kick him.
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Im confused. Looks like there is no contact from this angle.
Liverpool still without a league win with VVD in the lineup.
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You can tell by the trajectory of VVD’s leg that he connects. These clips just don’t have the FPS to show it.
I tell you what it shows you have to know what you’re looking for. In the gif above I thought it looked an outrageous dive - barely saw VVD’s foot moving.
The recording from the TV below it, however, shows a clear boot to the back of the leg so I’ve completely changed my mind in an instant.
The recording from the TV below it, however, shows a clear boot to the back of the leg so I’ve completely changed my mind in an instant.
Of course there's a debate to be had, I'm just wondering why you'd pick the worst possible angle and claim that it makes it clearer if your intention wasn't to deliberately muddy the waters and skew the argument in your favour.Coming from one of the biggest WUMs on the board
Clearly there is a debate to be had because it's not only all over this board (with opinion split even between United fans) but all over other forums and commentators. So it obviously isn't as clear cut as you lot (die-hard United fans) would like it to be.
Yours truly a die-hard Liverpool fan.
Good result for Spurs - an away draw at Anfield keeps us well in contention for a top 4 finish.
Tbh I thought Liverpool were lucky to get a draw - they were the home team, yet Spurs dominated the play for much of the game.
Tbh I thought Liverpool were lucky to get a draw - they were the home team, yet Spurs dominated the play for much of the game.
To quote Moss: "I have no idea whether Lovren touched the ball or not, but I'm giving a pen"
Shambolic refereeing there, but glad it happened to Liverpool.
On the offside. It isn't a new rule.
Jonny Evans scored an own goal when he was at United, trying to clear an offside pass.
It was unanimous from anyone not affiliated, that it was the right decision. Crazy, but that's how the rules were interpreted.
Jonny Evans scored an own goal when he was at United, trying to clear an offside pass.
It was unanimous from anyone not affiliated, that it was the right decision. Crazy, but that's how the rules were interpreted.
They run out of gas second half, you should have beat them.
Yep ... and we would have if Kane had not uncharacteristically blown the 1st pen.
It was absolutely not unanimous, considering that the linesman gave the offside and Mike Dean overruled him to give the goal. It was against Newcastle, here's the article below.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ng-on-field-confrontation-with-Mike-Dean.html
Bonus inclusion: another genius ex-ref who defends his mate's call and interprets “a player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by interfering with an opponent” as “Position of offside not an offence. IFAB rule interference only when playing ball. Evans played it. Dean cleared facts with Collin.” (Graham Poll).
Anyway, after that, the rules were clarified to say that a player that interferes with an opponent, despite not touching the ball, is considered offside. Kane clearly interfered with his opponent and forced a poor clearance, and he was in an offside position when Alli played the ball, so it's pretty straightforward for me.
That took as much time as VAR to decide, don't know why people are complaining about its introduction.
Second one is a penalty for me, the first not really, and it's even offside.
Not a penalty?
He used as much force in Lamela's leg as we would have kicked the ball, if he ever found it!Klopp's run in the second Liverpool goal is so ridiculous.
It’s clear penalty for me, he does try to avoid further collision (afterwards), but that was right after the contact was made from his boot (with full force)
I agree. Don't know why people are taking for granted that Kane dove. Keeper got none of the ball and came charging out right in Kane's path. Should have been flagged offside, mind.
Second was a blatant pen.
But hey, let's blame the officials and ignore Liverpool's deficiencies. Easier that way and worse for Liverpool in the long run.
Fantastic result. Now Chelsea to drop points for the perfect weekend.