Premier League Gameweek 3

[Yorkeontop]

Teams trying to play from the back without knowing how to do is just an embarrassament to football. Everyone think they can be Barcelona team from Xavi era. Hoof the ball up. What is the point passing when you lose it right away.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/soccer-analytics.446700/
Shameless thread plug.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

They've been talked up as contenders and being a better bet for top 4 than us all over this forum.

It is a big task even to finish above Everton this season to be honest.

 

[Pav1878]

They’d still be losing. They are shocking in midfield and defence.

Aye, xhakha is shocking, how he is still at arsenal I don't know.

 

[edcunited1878]

We need more mobile midfielders and attackers with a better workrate if we are going to challenge for the top four.

The end period of the transfer window will most likely decide our season.

Your central midfield helps protect the back 3, it's not really two 8s, it's more supposed to be like two 6s a la what Wolves did last year and previously with Moutinho and Neves. Solidify the center, protect the back 3, and work the ball quickly and efficiently into space or the wingbacks. But do not lose your shape and leave the back 3 exposed too much.

 

[I_live_cement]

They've been talked up as contenders and being a better bet for top 4 than us all over this forum.

Hardly a barometer of public opinion, is it?

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

I don’t like being too negative about our lads but it would be nice if we ran with half the purpose of Liverpool. We really are a team of plodders haha

 

[Wiltord02]

Your central midfield helps protect the back 3, it's not really two 8s, it's more supposed to be like two 6s a la what Wolves did last year and previously with Moutinho and Neves. Solidify the center, protect the back 3, and work the ball quickly and efficiently into space or the wingbacks. But do not lose your shape and leave the back 3 exposed too much.

Unfortunately, Xhaka and Elneny working the ball quickly is a pipedream...

 

[I_live_cement]

I don’t like being too negative about our lads but it would be nice if we ran with half the purpose of Liverpool. We really are a team of plodders haha

Not every team can be blessed with respiratory conditions.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Aye, xhakha is shocking, how he is still at arsenal I don't know.

Imagine if we had Xhaka ans Elnelny in midfield, I’d give up on football.

 

[CannonBalls]

I can now understand why Chelsea allowed Willian to leave....

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Imagine if we had Xhaka ans Elnelny in midfield, I’d give up on football.

Not every manager is as lucky as Lampard. You need to make do with what you have and get a result with these players.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Tonight is a really good example of what proper tactical pressing looks like. It's not 4-5 guys busting a lung sprinting at their nearest man with the ball. Hell, Liverpool's press was so good that there was almost no need for any sprinting at all. It's about collectively pressing in waves, and the second waves immediately follows the first, and the third immediately follows the second, so there's absolutely no space in one half of the field.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Not every team can be blessed with respiratory conditions.

Seriously though, how do they keep going like this, can’t just be fitness and conditioning and I know when your the top team everything clicks and seems easier but jeez, it’s just crazy.

 

[Cheimoon]

Except the manager that wins the league all others are fraud in this forum.

I think 'fraud' now usually means something like 'not as good as some people I don't like say he is'.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I can now understand why Chelsea allowed Willian to leave....

And Willian now understands the task at hand.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Not every manager is as lucky as Lampard. You need to make do with what you have and get a result with these players.

But you have Cebellos on the bench, you need him on to pick the passes to the front three surely.

 

[Maluco]

A couple of seasons ago we said the same about City.
Yet Pep and gang are still there and they don't look the pressing energetic team they did then

Maybe their "cycle" has worn off.

Thats true. The big difference with City is that the intensity definitely has dropped off. They did, however, always seem to have to rely on their squad, even at their peak.

This Liverpool team is insane. Time and time again, we see the same 9 players in the first eleven, game after game, week after week and they keep up the pressing and intensity.

Whatever he does, we need it.

 

[Bebestation]

Huh? Mendy was their width on the left yesterday. He was right up with the forward line.

And? Probably explains why they lost so badly.

Who plays there usually? Do they spend all game whipping in crosses in to the box or is it Sterling and mahrez who ends up wide with de bruyne and Silva(last season) making runs in between the half spaces? That's why Kyle walker is much less attacking than he was at spurs because the width comes from the inverted forwards.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Tonight is a really good example of what proper tactical pressing looks like. It's not 4-5 guys busting a lung sprinting at their nearest man with the ball. Hell, Liverpool's press was so good that there was almost no need for any sprinting at all. It's about collectively pressing in waves, and the second waves immediately follows the first, and the third immediately follows the second, so there's absolutely no space in one half of the field.

Would still tire you out though, week after week surely.

 

[I_live_cement]

Seriously though, how do they keep going like this, can’t just be fitness and conditioning and I know when your the top team everything clicks and seems easier but jeez, it’s just crazy.

Tbh, and this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think that every team or player is doping to a certain degree, however some teams are just better at it than others.

 

[mu4c_20le]

70-30 possession, 11 shots to 1, how do they get into the game Roy?

Roy: They are in the game.

 

[Deery]

Mane’s going to get a red card in this game

 

[Snow]

70-30 possession, 11 shots to 1, how do they get into the game Roy?

Roy: They are in the game.

Arsenal have only had 5 succesful passes in the final third.

They are in the game is Roy telling the viewers not to switch channels.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Tbh, and this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think that every team or player is doping to a certain degree, however some teams are just better at it than others.

In the past a team can do this type of dominance for 3 years so let’s see over the next 12 months or so. If the same players keep going like this for 3/4yrs then I’ll start to believe that too.

 

[Deery]

70-30 possession, 11 shots to 1, how do they get into the game Roy?

Roy: They are in the game.

“The score line is the only stat you need” I liked that

 

[DixieDean]

Will I am shit

 

[I_live_cement]

In the past a team can do this type of dominance for 3 years so let’s see over the next 12 months or so. If the same players keep going like this for 3/4yrs then I’ll start to believe that too.

Obviously they they have a fantastic team too.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Obviously they they have a fantastic team too.

They do but this much better I’m not sure.

Doesn’t help other ‘top’ teams don’t seem to be able to play football well consistently anymore either.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

I think 'fraud' now usually means something like 'not as good as some people I don't like say he is'.

This is why Bielsa's leeds united is so amazing. He almost got a draw against Liverpool with the players he has.

 

[Withnail]

Hardly a barometer of public opinion, is it?

Emmmm what?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Arsenal just give the ball straight back to Liverpool.

 

[Cheimoon]

Tonight is a really good example of what proper tactical pressing looks like. It's not 4-5 guys busting a lung sprinting at their nearest man with the ball. Hell, Liverpool's press was so good that there was almost no need for any sprinting at all. It's about collectively pressing in waves, and the second waves immediately follows the first, and the third immediately follows the second, so there's absolutely no space in one half of the field.

Would still tire you out though, week after week surely.

The kind of press @Hoof The Ball describes is actually less tiring then being its 'recipient' or having a less organized play. It means you get the ball quickly and can play the game at your tempo, rather than having to chase the ball. I also read somewhere that it's much more motivating playing like this, cause you're in possession more often and not constantly chasing shadows or being hounded. Feeling good about your game helps a lot for fitness (and last-minute winners).

 

[Withnail]

Would still tire you out though, week after week surely.

And the poor lads all have asthma

 

[Infordin]

The ease at which Liverpool create good opportunities in the final third is frightening.

They need a few good touches and they are immediately in a dangerous position.

Other teams go to hell and back just to create a single decent chance from open play

 

[I_live_cement]

Emmmm what?

All I'm saying is that, outside of this forum, I haven't found a single person who thinks that Arsenal will do well this season.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

And the poor lads all have asthma

What’s with this asthma thing? What have I missed?

 

[pratyush_utd]

Liverpool are too good. It hurts but looking at the shite we serve, this stuff they play is entertaining

 

[Fooza]

The ease at which Liverpool create good opportunities in the final third is frightening.

They need a few good touches and they are immediately in a dangerous position.

Other teams go to hell and back just to create a single decent chance from open play

They rather kick the ball to the arsenal gk, as they know they have more chance getting the ball high up by pressing their defense rather than to build up from the back all the time.

It's actually really impressive when the whole team are drilled.

 

[Cheimoon]

This is why Bielsa's leeds united is so amazing. He almost got a draw against Liverpool with the players he has.

You're sure it's my post you meant to quote? I'm missing the link here.

I agree that Bielsa is doing great though, and anyone calling him a fraud if he'd lose a few games would be out of their minds. Plus, Bielsa has shown for ages now what he's does and is capable of in football; he could just never be a fraud anymore as a coach. (Going by the actual, real-world definition of fraud.)

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

All I'm saying is that, outside of this forum, I haven't found a single person who thinks that Arsenal will do well this season.

That’s cause they are awful, but Bellerin looks great with shirt tucked in haha.