Premier League weekend fixtures 11/12/13 August

We are protecting the attacking players too much. Offside is in their favour and you can't touch a dribbler without being penalised. There has to be some logic involved. There will be contact during a challenge. It's not a completely non contact sport. If he dies, he dies.
Are you serious? On the one hand you say you don't care about winning and just want to see good football. On the other hand you want dangerous tackles not to be penalized and if skillful players are injured, so be it. What kind of good football will that produce?
 
Ali is a prick, but that was scum from Shelvey.
 
He's a moron but it wasn't forceful at all. Deserved a red purely for being a cnut but I'd probably have given a yellow otherwise.
 
Red? At worst that's a yellow. And Alli has been a pest all game.

Edit: OK, saw that again. Red. What an idiot.
 
I don't get why you are trying to romantizice this. It's a tackle where the chance of winning the ball fairly is quite low and the risk of an injury to the opponent is high. There's nothing nostalgic nor beautiful about this.

You're trying to trivialize it by saying "you can't touch the opponent" and "non-contact sport" etc. when this is a completely different situation and something neither of us have said in response to you. Also this was an attacker injuring a defender.

There's a reason studs-up tackles, tackles with excessive force (ie. opponent flying in at high speed) and scissor-tackles are not allowed and it's not because they're trying to ruin the game or something like that which is what you're implying.

Some, including you, clearly need to lose that "but ... but ... he got the ball" attitude as it doesn't really matter, both from the rule book and a logical point of view.

Heads up, you're wasting your time.
 
fecking hell Shelvey; disgraceful, that type of thing deserves an extended ban.
 
Was it deliberate? He's looking at the ball. I dunno, if it was a 'stamp', it was the lamest one ever.
He was trying to be subtle to avoid the card.
 
Ever since that mouthing off at Fergie he's made it well clear to everybody that he's got short fuse and is an absolute idiot. Now scousers would defend this moron when he was their player but mind boggles why anybody else would take this shit somewhere beyond Championship.