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Qatar to be cleared of corruption for 2022 bid
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You never did answer, where are you from?
I reckon he's a Saudi prince.
"It's being directed overwhelmingly against FIFA, actually. Qatar's corruption and atrocious human rights record has hardly been mentioned at all, probably partly because they're an ally and it would ask unwanted questions. 'Subtle racism', my ballsack."
Hypocrisy at its best, as you say, people dying is something pretty serious, but the English delegation being unable to criticize Qatar for it, just because they are allies and yet attacking FIFA for giving them the WC after the same delegation was crazy to get into FIFA's club with a 2018 world cup bid and subsequent histery of the british media is another great chapter of corporate british indecency and general lack of shame that has repeated a lot of times in history.
Where I am from doesn't change this fact at all.
They'd still lose on penalties in the quarter finals.
Won't happen, but what it needs is several major footballing associations like the English FA/Brazil/France/Holland/Spain saying 'FIFA needs revamping or we are leaving' - That happens other countries will follow and puts FIFA into a corner.
Just an observation on the "is this just an English/English-speaking" complaint by taking a look at the Spanish (lack of) response. I'm basing this on a few conversations, newspaper articles etc and no serious research.
The message I keep hearing is, "Yes, FIFA is corrupt, but what can you do." Perhaps it's a cultural thing, maybe even born from the Franco era, but the attitude is definitely, "Keep your head down and hope for favours, or at least no recriminations." To quote one commentator: "Asking FIFA to investigate corruption is like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank - what did you think would happen?"
I honestly think the only thing that will really change FIFA is its destruction but that would require such unanimity of action by the top European clubs (their sponsors and the TV companies) that it's hard to see it happening. Meanwhile, Blatter will probably run unopposed again at the next FIFA election.
The message I keep hearing is, "Yes, FIFA is corrupt, but what can you do." Perhaps it's a cultural thing, maybe even born from the Franco era, but the attitude is definitely, "Keep your head down and hope for favours, or at least no recriminations." To quote one commentator: "Asking FIFA to investigate corruption is like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank - what did you think would happen?"
I honestly think the only thing that will really change FIFA is its destruction but that would require such unanimity of action by the top European clubs (their sponsors and the TV companies) that it's hard to see it happening. Meanwhile, Blatter will probably run unopposed again at the next FIFA election.
there's corruption in the highest political offices, you can't expect little lowly FIFA to be different.
How are the sponsors feeling, knowing what's going on it Qatar?
How are the big clubs feeling (internally) about this winter tournament?
What about the other nations that have been rebuffed?
As others have said, all it takes is for the major nations to leave FIFA and the rest will follow. The only ones staying will be those who benefit from the corruption
How are the big clubs feeling (internally) about this winter tournament?
What about the other nations that have been rebuffed?
As others have said, all it takes is for the major nations to leave FIFA and the rest will follow. The only ones staying will be those who benefit from the corruption
Qatar have invested heavily in European football. Barcelona are sponsored by them. PSG are owned by them. SAF was one of many senior football figures who backed their WC bid. Real Madrid has played friendly matches there. United have trained there and will probably play friendlies there soon. Most of the top players/managers have been invited there over the past few years for paid holidays with millions paid to them in appearance money at parties etc.
In other words, some of the key players in any European led revolt are actually already on their payroll, to a greater or lesser extent.
Some of the global sponsors may be nervous, but their nerves won't turn into hard cash figures for a while yet.
Well on the basis of your entire argument about 'British Media' geographical location has everything to do with it. Surely I would be able to make a sweeping statement about you based on where you live as much as you have about 'British State' and the 'British 'Media'? That sir, is hypocrisy.
I have the feeling if we made a list of these major nations of football we would find most of them are corrupt and on the take in some way or another. The way corruption works is by placing their cronies in positions of power and decision.
Spain, for example, has Villar as president of their football federation, and has been there for years now. He is supposed to have been involved in the vote collusion with Qatar-Spain groups. The spain-portugal joint candidature for the wc didn't cooperate with Garcia's investigation. And then you have both Florentino Pérez and Sandro Rosell being accused by France Football of being involved in the Qatar winning bid scandal. You can't expect such a rotten core to give their backs to FIFA, they are all part of a well oiled corrupt machine, with lots of money involved. It's not a realistic scenario. The only solution is to tear FIFA down.
Spain, for example, has Villar as president of their football federation, and has been there for years now. He is supposed to have been involved in the vote collusion with Qatar-Spain groups. The spain-portugal joint candidature for the wc didn't cooperate with Garcia's investigation. And then you have both Florentino Pérez and Sandro Rosell being accused by France Football of being involved in the Qatar winning bid scandal. You can't expect such a rotten core to give their backs to FIFA, they are all part of a well oiled corrupt machine, with lots of money involved. It's not a realistic scenario. The only solution is to tear FIFA down.
Sickening really, but it's all linked to money once again.
At some point the game has to transcend this.
At some point the game has to transcend this.
You missed my point (about the British media being just as prepared to turn its investigative eye on its own or the UK's close ally) but never mind (or is it ничего?).
Last night Channel 4 News did a good piece about Boris Johnson and possible corruption in the way a contract was awarded to a Chinese developer called ABP.
Bloody hypocrites.
Bloody hypocrites.
Made me chuckle
That's great and all but it would have been better off being published by The Onion or The Daily Mash. Coming from The Telegraph it's just going to be another article used as proof of English "childish bitterness".
British News company exposes possible British Politician's corruption. I'm trying to find the hypocrisy here.
I am interested to hear this (and other countries) viewpoints.
I do agree with what the previous poster said that when it comes to matters of FIFA/World Cup, it should be a common cause for all concerned, rather than simply England throwing our toys out the pram. I think in England we have a bit of a victim complex and basically think that most of Europe hates us - when you see things like the Eurovision votes (I know...I know..) and attitudes in politics, it creates a bit of a siege mentality which is obviously not helpful when trying to make allies.
As you said, would Germany have lost out to Qatar? Maybe not - but I would hope that other prominent European countries would want to expose FIFA for their own good, not just for Englands sake. As far as FIFA is concerned it seems a bit like England are the only ones who are prepared to speak out against FIFA so sure enough we are getting the repercussions - if other nations also spoke up then things would change very quickly I would wager.
This is true, and more for World Cup hosting than pretty much anything.
It's undenaible to say that in terms of support, history etc we are one of the 6 or 8 biggest footballing nations (many would say higher than that). Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Brazil all get to host World Cups, interspersed with other "lesser" footballing countries being given their go.
Then add in that we are probably the most ready-made World Cup hosts in terms of infrastructure. I don't know the exact stats on stadium size by country, but we can certainly mix it with the best (and wome of the others are only in the same league because of massive investment when they hosted big tournaments!).
And yet we are now in a position where every English fan has pretty much resigned themselves to the fact that it's been 50 years since we hosted, and it'll be at least another 20 before we do again.
When you start getting joke (in the sense of hosting a World Cup) countries like Qatar hosting ahead of us, it's hard not to be a bit paranoid about it.
To be fair, out of the repeated wc hosts (Italy, France, Brazil, Mexico) the earliest to repeat took 54 years in Brazil, without counting Mexico, chosen as a 'emergency' substitute for Colombia. Italy took 56 years and France 60. So the time gap is completely normal counting from 1966.
I don't know if this is true or if it is more true than other competing nations. Also, it may not be favourable in case of being true since, if there is no need to build new infrastructures, the fat cats at FIFA may get less commissions.
What about Germany... 32 years? Also the war stretches out the periods for France and Italy. It's more relevant to count the gaps as 13 and 12 world cups respectively.
However you look at these numbers, we are due a world cup by now, but clearly we're not going to get one within another 20 years or so.
Yes, and, by way of analogy, it's interesting we finally got the Olympics once the IOC had cleaned up its act post-Salt Lake City. The UK doesn't have enough clout to force a clean up of FIFA's Augean stables but either concerted sponsor pressure or FBI investigations (leading to potential exclusion from the US banking system) might.
Prince Phillip?
Fifa’s ‘Robust’ Process, and the Men who Made it Happen:
will they go through with this?
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Some of the bribery and corruption seems so open and blatant, that it's a wonder more action isn't being taken. It seems like FIFA needs one hell of a clear out to stand any chance of permanently fixing the attitudes in the organisation. Simply replacing Blatter won't solve all the problems.
The entire thing needs dosbanding and everyone who works there should never be allowed to work in football again.
They're so obviously corrupt it's hard to know if they literally have no moral compass so they don't think they're in the wrong or if it's sone elaborate act to simply troll the footballing world.
It's like the Nazi party taking all allegations of the Holocaust and all the evidence and thn flatout refusing to accept and admit they've done anything at all.
I didn't count Germany since they were a different country back then, iirc the first one was before the reunification.
Also, if England had a wc in 1966 adding 54-60 years would put you in 2020-2026 territory, which is definitely not now (2014) and would fall in line with the next available wc. But I'm of the opinion that nobody is due a worldcup and if any country was that would be the ones that have never hosted one, plenty of those left.
Whats stopping world football from breaking away from fifa? the whole things an enormous sham, but i dont understand from a legal perspective why they have been given a monopoly in running the game? who fecking decided it? how long is the contract for? in the NBA there's a collective bargaining agreement that runs for a certain amount of time.
See my previous post on the effect of the war on France and Italy - it's effectively 48 and 52 years.
That is not true. Both WCs were held in the Federal Republic of Germany, it just gained some territory in the meantime.
UEFA are part of FIFA. I think it can easily break away....and they should. Same with the South American Federation.
Even if just UEFA broke away..FIFA would need to disolve.
If they have enough money to buy the world up for a City that doesn't exist yet how is anyone shocked they beat the corruption charges? Money talks, especially in Fifa.
Indeed.
Maybe if Scotland had voted Yes, England would be due a World Cup as a new country?
Russia’s Vitaly Mutko, who attacked the English press ahead of the vote for “portraying Russia as a hotbed of corruption”, days before a Russian federal audit chamber report found he had claimed expenses for 97 breakfasts eaten during a 20-day trip to Vancouver.
Must say I found that rather hilarious.
Must say I found that rather hilarious.
Having FIFA investigate corruption is a little like asking the BNP to look into race relations.