Can't stand that columnist woman with her utterly vapid drivel.
Can't stand that columnist woman with her utterly vapid drivel.
I'm glad the medical student who threatened to leave the UK once she qualifies was called out. I'm getting tired of the increasing number of medical students and junior doctors who whinge about wanting to go abroad after they've had their training subsidised by the tax payer. If they have no interest in practicing medicine in the UK, then they should leave the places on (the heavily subsidised) medicine degrees for people who have.
Good comeback on Labour's diabolical record on the NHS in Wales.
The deal wasn't this shit when she got into medical school. What are we supposed to do? Accept any deal that's put in front of us, however fecking awful they are?I'm glad the medical student who threatened to leave the UK once she qualifies was called out. I'm getting tired of the increasing number of medical students and junior doctors who whinge about wanting to go abroad after they've had their training subsidised by the tax payer. If they have no interest in practicing medicine in the UK, then they should leave the places on (the heavily subsidised) medicine degrees for people who have.
Med students most likely end up with £50k in debts after graduating.
Her face was a picture when that bloke cut her down.I'm glad the medical student who threatened to leave the UK once she qualifies was called out. I'm getting tired of the increasing number of medical students and junior doctors who whinge about wanting to go abroad after they've had their training subsidised by the tax payer. If they have no interest in practicing medicine in the UK, then they should leave the places on (the heavily subsidised) medicine degrees for people who have.
No it's not. I trained in the UK, and being a foreign student I paid for my training, but it wasn't anything close to that number.The investment of the tax payer in each medical student exceeds that figure considerably. We're talking about £250k+ to train a doctor.
Stig was right. NHS and pensions policy are long-term issues that need cross-party consensus. Doubt it will ever happen though.This rarely gets mentioned and is a sure fire sign that they have no fecking idea what to do although that doesn't stop them whinging about the state our NHS is supposed to be in.
More annoyingly, she was kind of worth a shag, but wouldn't want conversation her.The deal wasn't this shit when she got into medical school. What are we supposed to do? Accept any deal that's put in front of us, however fecking awful they are?
That's why there's been a decrease in medical school applications this year.
The deal wasn't this shit when she got into medical school. What are we supposed to do? Accept any deal that's put in front of us, however fecking awful they are?
That's why there's been a decrease in medical school applications this year.
No it's not. I trained in the UK, and being a foreign student I paid for my training, but it wasn't anything close to that number.
So we should all be forced to work in the country of our education now?
As I understand it the bulk of the dispute is around working hours, made worse by Hunt's bumbling and intransigence in negotiating. If you don't treat them like shit, they might not want to go. As a method it's far preferable to compulsion.No, but there should be at least some sense of duty when you are accepting roughly £250k of taxpayer funded training. Of course circumstances can change which might make doctors look abroad at some point during their careers but for a would-be doctor to embark on medical training already with one eye on a lucrative job in Australia as soon as he or she becomes qualified seems to me to be somewhat objectionable.
In the military, recruits legally commit to a minimum number of years of service due to high training costs. Perhaps a similar thing should apply to doctors in the NHS if the new wave of soon-to-be doctors do actually carry through with their threats and feck off to Australia or whichever country is offering the most money.
We're talking about junior doctors moving away. This has nothing to do with GP contracts or cost of training post foundation years.The deal isn't anywhere near as bad as some people are making out. The problem (at least as far as GPs are concerned) is that the previous deal was too generous. Either way, doctors are going to have to take a hit just like everyone else in the public sector.
You're right...it's probably much higher. According to the BMA the cost to the NHS of a pre-registration clinical placement for a GP is £151k, and post-graduate training costs £113k (sorry I can't link a source because I'm reading from a document but the figures are easy to find). Then there are less easily quantifiable costs that we have to consider.
The deal isn't anywhere near as bad as some people are making out. The problem (at least as far as GPs are concerned) is that the previous deal was too generous. Either way, doctors are going to have to take a hit just like everyone else in the public sector.
You're right...it's probably much higher. According to the BMA the cost to the NHS of a pre-registration clinical placement for a GP is £151k, and post-graduate training costs £113k (sorry I can't link a source because I'm reading from a document but the figures are easy to find). Then there are less easily quantifiable costs that we have to consider.
According to the doctors you hear in the media, their objections have nothing to do with money.
No, but there should be at least some sense of duty when you are accepting roughly £250k of taxpayer funded training. Of course circumstances can change which might make doctors look abroad at some point during their careers but for a would-be doctor to embark on medical training already with one eye on a lucrative job in Australia as soon as he or she becomes qualified seems to me to be somewhat objectionable.
In the military, recruits legally commit to a minimum number of years of service due to high training costs. Perhaps a similar thing should apply to doctors in the NHS if the new wave of soon-to-be doctors do actually carry through with their threats and feck off to Australia or whichever country is offering the most money.
No it's not. I trained in the UK, and being a foreign student I paid for my training, but it wasn't anything close to that number.
Yeah do it. And then see just how many people continue to apply for medicine, especially if this new contract is imposed on them.
Absolutely shedloads of candidates, and well qualified too.
Except the doctors and nurses we poach from abroad of course...So we should all be forced to work in the country of our education now?
Really? Do you know them then? Cos I certainly don't.
Do I know any applicants personally? Yes. In general though, there are 40-60 applicants per place.
Salaries for junior doctors are obviously too low, unfortunately junior doctors may be good doctors but they're crap at putting their case forward, and making stuff up doesn't help.