David Starkey talking a lot of sense on This Week. Not newsnight, however.
Question Time & This Week
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Thanks mate. I'm from East Yorks and love the likes of Whitby and Filey. I used to the 'golf ball' early radar things. They've gone now, but I remember them well. My missus has drawn up an agenda- a few churches, ruins, waterfalls and pretty villages. Staying in York. Will be first time I've driven in yonks.
Unlike the SNP woman who sounded like she'd just finished her Hitler Youth training. If there's ever a street fight, I'm on her side.
The golf balls have gone? Bloody hell we were out driving round there and got annoyed with ourselves because we couldn't find them.
This needs recording.
Is Rainbow making a comeback. Rod, Jane and Michael!
Not another Star Trek movie...
This should be a good episode.
George Galoway and Ian Hislop .Should be lively.
Spot on Hislop, we have lost two wars, and most of the country don't even know it.
Both mostly agreed, except on the EU.
That Conservative MP came across really well (feel sick saying that
).Both mostly agreed, except on the EU.
That Conservative MP came across really well (feel sick saying that
Yeah Tom tumescent (sp) did pretty well, seems an affable fellow.
Hislop made a great point which seems to be lost on people who cry the referendum's over and we should get on it. We wouldn't stop criticising the newly elected government for five years if we were on the opposing side that had lost.
The audacity of George Galloway to talk about morality and lies.
I know what you mean, but in this case, he's right.
Yeah, that was a great point. No reason for the debate not to continue (though personally, I do think we should just get on with it).
Galloway was obsessed with prepared soundbites as usual, it started off well for him with the audience clapping each one, but by the end they'd sussed it and were almost silent. Had the program been a bit longer I think the booing would have started.
Both mostly agreed, except on the EU.
That Conservative MP came across really well (feel sick saying that
Yeah thought Hislop would have played devils advocate but him and Galloway saw eye to eye.
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Sal Brinton seemed to be pushing her case for the New Lib Dems . Maybe it could be the new home of the PLP. Or as Galloway put it " If you don't like it clear off and support the Lib Dems."
I dont know how good a fit the Labour right and the Lib Dems are. Mind you, the Lib Dems are already a diverse bunch.
but we don't demand new elections every day
Doubt it's hugely representative but Miranda Green, ex-advisor to Paddy Ashdown and often (sadly much less after last year) on This Week as the Lib Dem voice, loves Liz Kendall even more than I do.
If Liz Kendall had won the Labour leadership contest we would still be in Europe, there would be no refugee crisis and poverty would have been eradicated by now.
Let's be honest, we'd have also put humans on Mars already.
But we do have elections every 5 years so that if we've made a mistake, the electorate can decide to change the result of the last election. And the new party can even decide to change some of those policies if they so desire.
And then in another five years, we can change that lot too.
In this case, we have one vote, fought mainly on conjecture.... And that's it. No opportunity to change. No chance to go back on our decision. Just one vote for a monumental shift.
A tragic missed opportunity.
Joking aisde, if I was a Labour voter / member, I would have voted for Liz. I thought I was the only one.
But I still think a lot of Labour MPs dont make a great fit with Lib Dems. I want the Lib Dems to be socially liberal, looking to rethink fundamental issues like criminal justice and drugs policy. I dont think most Labour MPs share those instincts.
I don't think I could've taken all the Guardian puff pieces about how 'Liz shared a latte with me; therefore, she's the future of womanhood'.
We are the 4.5%! May have to enlist you as a £3er when the time comes.
Yeah I know what you mean, there is a fair mass of social conservatism among Labour's ranks, and in order to win the 40% probably necessary in an election it would be hard to adopt the Lib Dem policy on drugs in particular. The concept of a new party is a really interesting one to think about, but also quite hard to pin down where the policies would end up in areas like that and whether it would be even slightly viable electorally.
I think a new party has to be the way to go. I dont think Labour can survive without splitting to be honest, whichever side prevails in the current fight it is going to rip the party apart. I just dont see any way out of the mess with it staying intact.
The problem has always been that the right, even when they are divided, are never as divided as the left are at the best of times. So we need proportional representation, more now than ever. That would make smaller parties like the greens, the WEP and, yes, the Lib Dems more viable and more relevant. It would also make a Labour split less catastrophic. The price is it would massively increase the importance of parties like UKIP or worse, but I think that is something we would have to learn to live with. The idea that Labour and the Tories represent the British population is increasingly nonsensical.
Maybe you'll get another in 40 years
Doubt I'll be here in 40 years (and even if I am, I doubt very much that I'll be in the UK).
But well done on the in depth discussion.
Yeah sorry bout that, work gets in the way stuff sometimes.
But apparently doesn't get in the way enough to actually log onto a football forum and throw one liners out......
Nah, do that while smoking
Probably best to just focus on work though, wouldn't want to let distractions such as these get in the way really
The right were terribly divided for years, it was only the creation of UKIP that relieved that pressure.
Although PR would help UKIP, it would probably also give the Greens the chance to flourish as a counterbalance. If they could resist the urge to be such massive hippies..
Question Time returns with Labour leadership hustings special
BBC One’s political debate programme Question Time is returning for a new series, beginning with a Labour Leadership Hustings Special.
The live programme from Oldham will see David Dimbleby chair the debate between Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith on Thursday 8 September at 9pm on BBC One.
David Dimbleby says: “It’s good news that the two contenders for the Labour leadership have agreed to appear in front of a Question Time audience. As we saw in the EU referendum debates, and the general election debates, there’s nothing like a Question Time audience for discovering and testing different political views.”
It will be available on BBC iPlayer after broadcast. Follow the debate on Twitter and Facebook via #bbcqt @bbcQuestionTime
BBC One’s political debate programme Question Time is returning for a new series, beginning with a Labour Leadership Hustings Special.
The live programme from Oldham will see David Dimbleby chair the debate between Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith on Thursday 8 September at 9pm on BBC One.
David Dimbleby says: “It’s good news that the two contenders for the Labour leadership have agreed to appear in front of a Question Time audience. As we saw in the EU referendum debates, and the general election debates, there’s nothing like a Question Time audience for discovering and testing different political views.”
It will be available on BBC iPlayer after broadcast. Follow the debate on Twitter and Facebook via #bbcqt @bbcQuestionTime
This is going to be a farce.
Missed the first 15 mins. Owen getting a rough ride.
I agree with Owen's general point about Brexit being voted for on a shoddy basis and us not knowing what sort of Brexit it will be, but I find it extraordinarily hypocritical for him to claim he's going to win Tory votes whilst wanting to reverse Brexit. He'd essentially alienate at least 60% of the Tory base right away...and I doubt the rest of them will be all that enticed either. He'd only accelerate disillusioned Labour supporters going to UKIP as well.
I see what he's saying, but by god he's seriously failing to put it across well at all, and it's not going to win votes.
I see what he's saying, but by god he's seriously failing to put it across well at all, and it's not going to win votes.
People are stupid but they don't like being call stupid. Surprisingly.