Question Time & This Week

Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Is a non-Brexit a soft Brexit then? He's a rude, sly, reptile of a man (like many other politicains).
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No, it isn't, but his point he made specifically remains fair. If we're going to have Brexit then it's up to the government to produce any vague sentiment of a plan as to how it's going to be done and how we're going to benefit from it. Thus far there's been none.
 
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A blatant lie from Tim Faron there.

After both the BBC EU debate and on the morning of the 24th of June, he described Brexiteers as insular and intolerant.
 
That bloke that looked like a member of the SS in the audience was rather annoying.
 
Jippy said:
Since I had my hair cut short I've been at a loss about what to do with it tbf. I currently have a Hitler-esque side parting.
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You could at least shave the moustache.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Is a non-Brexit a soft Brexit then? He's a rude, sly, reptile of a man (like many other politicains).
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He thinks he is eating a part of the 48% pie. He thinks he is being quite clever however he does not realise (or is in denial) that people still wont trust the lib dems.
 
AshfordLad said:
He thinks he is eating a part of the 48% pie. He thinks he is being quite clever however he does not realise (or is in denial) that people still wont trust the lib dems.
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There was actually some speculative polling recently that, if they went into an election offering a second referendum with Labour agreeing with a hard brexit, had them getting the second highest share of the vote. Now obviously, that isn't likely to happen and polling isn't very highly thought of at this point at any rate, but they're also showing massive improvements at the local level since the vote, so there's clearly an appetite for something, even if it is only a protest.
 
Ubik said:
There was actually some speculative polling recently that, if they went into an election offering a second referendum with Labour agreeing with a hard brexit, had them getting the second highest share of the vote. Now obviously, that isn't likely to happen and polling isn't very highly thought of at this point at any rate, but they're also showing massive improvements at the local level since the vote, so there's clearly an appetite for something, even if it is only a protest.
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Makes sense to be fair. As more time passes post-Brexit and with the introduction of the Snoopers Charter we're beginning to see that the Lib Dems really were holding the Tories back from 2010-15...and that they weren't as ineffective as we thought. Granted, they could've probably done a lot more and still were quite weak considering the level of power they technically held, but even then if they were still in a coalition we'd likely have no Brexit or SC, and if you're a pro-European liberal type voter then they're by far the most sensible option right now, what with the rough times Labour have been having.

Would be good to see them improving too and gain some momentum, hopefully getting back into being the third most popular party ahead of UKIP too. Farron's a fairly dull leader which will hold them back. I wonder if Clegg would be worth a return to leadership? As we've seen people forget the past quickly and if he can re-establish himself then perhaps he'd make a decent comeback since he's a good speaker.
 
Cheesy said:
Makes sense to be fair. As more time passes post-Brexit and with the introduction of the Snoopers Charter we're beginning to see that the Lib Dems really were holding the Tories back from 2010-15...and that they weren't as ineffective as we thought. Granted, they could've probably done a lot more and still were quite weak considering the level of power they technically held, but even then if they were still in a coalition we'd likely have no Brexit or SC, and if you're a pro-European liberal type voter then they're by far the most sensible option right now, what with the rough times Labour have been having.

Would be good to see them improving too and gain some momentum, hopefully getting back into being the third most popular party ahead of UKIP too. Farron's a fairly dull leader which will hold them back. I wonder if Clegg would be worth a return to leadership? As we've seen people forget the past quickly and if he can re-establish himself then perhaps he'd make a decent comeback since he's a good speaker.
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I think the problem with the Lib Dems is that they're eternally held back by the fact they're Lib Dems. They used to be the butt of jokes as ever-powerless do-gooders, now they're the Tory-enabling betrayers of the young. There's a huge slice of the electorate there for the taking right now, me included, but when you've got eight MPs to choose a leader from and one of them only resigned a year back, you're going to struggle for leadership and plausibility. I like Farron well enough in as far you can like a children's entertainer that gets political, but accordingly you'll always be skeptical he can lead an opposition to a government, let alone the real thing. Clegg's better, but he's still a poundshop Blair really, in terms of both political skill and levels of hate.

Speaking of which, just been reading the New Statesman long interview with Blair - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/tony-blair-s-unfinished-business - and you can't help but wonder how different the world, Britain and his legacy would be had 600 extra votes in Florida gone to Gore in 2000.
 
Ubik said:
I think the problem with the Lib Dems is that they're eternally held back by the fact they're Lib Dems. They used to be the butt of jokes as ever-powerless do-gooders, now they're the Tory-enabling betrayers of the young. There's a huge slice of the electorate there for the taking right now, me included, but when you've got eight MPs to choose a leader from and one of them only resigned a year back, you're going to struggle for leadership and plausibility. I like Farron well enough in as far you can like a children's entertainer that gets political, but accordingly you'll always be skeptical he can lead an opposition to a government, let alone the real thing. Clegg's better, but he's still a poundshop Blair really, in terms of both political skill and levels of hate.

Speaking of which, just been reading the New Statesman long interview with Blair - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/tony-blair-s-unfinished-business - and you can't help but wonder how different the world, Britain and his legacy would be had 600 extra votes in Florida gone to Gore in 2000.
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Don't do this to me :(
 
Blair was by his nature interventionist, as was seen prior to Bush's time in office. So the chances are that UK forces would have been involved somewhere else IMO. More importantly though, we would still have had a financial crisis and bailed out the banks. Nor would Labour's policies on Europe have been any different.

Cameron, or someone very much like him, would still have ended up as PM i think. And the SNP would still have increased in popularity in Scotland.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Blair was by his nature interventionist, as was seen prior to Bush's time in office. So the chances are that UK forces would have been involved somewhere else IMO. More importantly though, we would still have had a financial crisis and bailed out the banks. Nor would Labour's policies on Europe have been any different.

Cameron, or someone very much like him, would still have ended up as PM i think. And the SNP would still have increased in popularity in Scotland.
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Most people don't mention Kosovo and Sierra Leone as strikes against his name though, do they? His legacy is damned by Iraq, not his general philosophy on intervention.

And yeah, the other crises would still happen and he may have been more tainted by those instead. Or Iraq could still have happened, just later on, maybe under a President McCain. But if someone offered me the chance to switch universes right now, I'd take it!
 
Jippy said:
Since I had my hair cut short I've been at a loss about what to do with it tbf. I currently have a Hitler-esque side parting.
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This is exactly how Jippy Germany started.
 
Googled this guy complaining about a metropolitan elite. Property developer and CEO. Obviously one of us little people.
 
Obviously it's not the sort of thing any politician would say, but it is quite clear from debates like this that there are a lot of people out there who either didn't understand what the vote was about, at least beyond the sort of general vote itself, when you hear comments like "don't bother with Article 50 at all!" and other such shite.

The general Remoaner nonsense needs to die as well. It's being used as a way for the legit, real concerns of Remain voters to instead be dismissed as the rubbish of 'sore losers'. Such phrases really aren't helpful in politics...it's not some sort of sporting contest. The 'Leave means Leave' guy should grow the feck up.

Davidson and Johnson have generally been solid on most points...Davidson's an excellent speaker and by far the best Tory you'll probably see on the show for a long time, but then again she gets a relatively easy ride because she's not being questioned on any Scottish issues.
 
I've never been so frightened or ashamed to be English, watching this chills me to my bones.
 
Cheesy said:
Obviously it's not the sort of thing any politician would say, but it is quite clear from debates like this that there are a lot of people out there who either didn't understand what the vote was about, at least beyond the sort of general vote itself, when you hear comments like "don't bother with Article 50 at all!" and other such shite.

The general Remoaner nonsense needs to die as well. It's being used as a way for the legit, real concerns of Remain voters to instead be dismissed as the rubbish of 'sore losers'. Such phrases really aren't helpful in politics...it's not some sort of sporting contest. The 'Leave means Leave' guy should grow the feck up.

Davidson and Johnson have generally been solid on most points...Davidson's an excellent speaker and by far the best Tory you'll probably see on the show for a long time, but then again she gets a relatively easy ride because she's not being questioned on any Scottish issues.
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Agree with you on all of that
 
Cheesy said:
Obviously it's not the sort of thing any politician would say, but it is quite clear from debates like this that there are a lot of people out there who either didn't understand what the vote was about, at least beyond the sort of general vote itself, when you hear comments like "don't bother with Article 50 at all!" and other such shite.

The general Remoaner nonsense needs to die as well. It's being used as a way for the legit, real concerns of Remain voters to instead be dismissed as the rubbish of 'sore losers'. Such phrases really aren't helpful in politics...it's not some sort of sporting contest. The 'Leave means Leave' guy should grow the feck up.

Davidson and Johnson have generally been solid on most points...Davidson's an excellent speaker and by far the best Tory you'll probably see on the show for a long time, but then again she gets a relatively easy ride because she's not being questioned on any Scottish issues.
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Finally, a good idea!
 
A primary school teacher protesting about parents not talking in English in the playground, a primary school teacher.

Where the hell is this country going, go anywhere in Europe and you'll hear people speaking in English and I very much doubt that the primary school teachers are complaining.

Somebody so blindingly prejudice teaching our pre-teens, absolutely frightening.
 
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