Question Time & This Week

Rayner was good at staying on message, in a Brexity kind of way.

Admittedly she didn't have many actual answers for those questions put to her, but then this is a politics show we're talking about. It';ll be the shouting/talking over others which annoys viewers most, possibly detracting from otherwise valid points.
 
"We'll put jobs and the economy first, whereas Theresa May puts immigration first" was a particularly grating line, considering that putting immigration first is exactly what they're doing themselves on Brexit.
 
It's funny in a way, the two main parties have sought to learn lessons from the EU Ref but neither of them have got it quite right. May has tried to tailor a pro-worker, anti-business message, albeit with Tory wrapping; Corbyn is going for simpler slogans and positivity, yet glossing over immigration and the...patriotic angle.

I've got this feeling that the Tories might underperform in England, only for this to be compensated for with gains in Scotland and Wales. Either way, there's a good deal more uncertainty right now.
 
Tory cnut lad in the audience, picked twice, unfortunately for him. Next night he's out in town, someone will recognise him and a serious twatting will ensue. 'Please, don't hit me, I'm the best and the brightest'.

Made a valid point about IHT though, even if it did just illuminate how hypocritical the lot of them are in the end.
 
Made a valid point about IHT though, even if it did just illuminate how hypocritical the lot of them are in the end.

I can't remember what he said now to be honest. In general though it seem the tories are content to allow most of a persons wealth to be used for used for their own care needs if necessary, but are enraged at the prospect that some of that wealth may be taxed to pay for anyone else's care needs. Still, no such thing as society of course, only the individual.
 
Just catching up with Question Time. Loving the fighting between Labour and Tory reps, they should go bare knuckle and take it to the studio floor. :D

First time I've seen Angela Rayner, she's good. Pretty unpolished, but tough and uncompromising and clearly quick on her feet. Get her into some media training to teach her to moderate her voice better, and she could be really promising.
 
Thought Angela Rayner came out of it well .Despite the having two Tories on the panel and Dimbleby grilling her.
 
Post terrorist attack editions of Question Time are usually not worth watching. On the right, the motion is strict immigration controls. On the left, the motion is more understanding. I'm hoping they don't stay on the topic too long, but that looks like a panel made to debate Manchester and noting more.

(Just realised it's in Salford, too).
 
Post terrorist attack editions of Question Time are usually not worth watching. On the right, the motion is strict immigration controls. On the left, the motion is more understanding. I'm hoping they don't stay on the topic too long, but that looks like a panel made to debate Manchester and noting more.

(Just realised it's in Salford, too).

Perish the thought that we might actually have some consensus. 22 people are murdered and all you appear to want to see is load of politicians at each others throats.

Either I have completely misunderstood your post, or you need to have a word with yourself.
 
Same circular discussion. They don't have a collective clue about what to do next.
 
I really respect Andy Burnham for his knowledge and deep empathy about Islam vs radicalised terrorists.

Seems like a genuine man. Wish he was leading the Labour party
 
Perish the thought that we might actually have some consensus. 22 people are murdered and all you appear to want to see is load of politicians at each others throats.
I never said that. My problem is the divide, the lack of consensus; and unfortunately, I've seen enough editions of what you could call "tragic" Question Times to realise that it never happens.
Either I have completely misunderstood your post, or you need to have a word with yourself.
The former I think.
 
I'm not warming to Sara Khan at all. Complains about the 'politicisation of PREVENT' and then sounds like she's reading a political paper on the theory of it for the next 15 minutes with little reference to what happens in the real world at any point.
 
I'm not warming to Sara Khan at all. Complains about the 'politicisation of PREVENT' and then sounds like she's reading a political paper on the theory of it for the next 15 minutes with little reference to what happens in the real world at any point.
I didn't enjoy her analysis either. She seems to be a pure intellectual and so without any practical knowledge.

Likewise, she seems a reluctant Muslim which means her insights are weak and so she can't deliver the 'British Muslim' perspective. Andy Burhan did a better job than she did on that front.
 
Amber Rudd looks exactly like the Home Office woman who appears at the end of the last episode of the thick of it:

(0:14)
 
Amber Rudd though seemed out of touch and lacked a coherent future facing point of view. That worries me alot.
 
I didn't enjoy her analysis either. She seems to be a pure intellectual and so without any practical knowledge.

Likewise, she seems a reluctant Muslim which means her insights are weak and so she can't deliver the 'British Muslim' perspective. Andy Burhan did a better job than she did on that front.
Do someone's opinions somehow become diminished unless they're in a burka?
 
Andrew Neil hitting the nail on the head. The circular nature of the whole terrorist attack thing. Which is what I was alluding to above, fwiw. It's always the same rhetoric and never any action of note. Which is why I dread watching political shows in and around any major incidents.
 
Who's this idiot advocating NATO interventionism (as in boots on the ground) in order to combat terrorism?
 
Do someone's opinions somehow become diminished unless they're in a burka?
You have misconstrued what I said.

She seems less engaged with the religion but claims to be a subject matter expert. And so her opinions came across as theoretical rather than practical, observational and not insightful.

It seemed Andy Burham had better empathy than she did. So, in my opinion, her views her were not very instructive.
 
Andrew Neil hitting the nail on the head. The circular nature of the whole terrorist attack thing. Which is what I was alluding to above, fwiw. It's always the same rhetoric and never any action of note. Which is why I dread watching political shows in and around any major incidents.
Yep. That's exactly what I wrote in a long post in the Manchester thread. It seems we have not made any progress in solving this problem for quite some time.
 
You have misconstrued what I said.

She seems less engaged with the religion but claims to be a subject matter expert. And so her opinions came across as theoretical rather than practical, observational and not insightful.

It seemed Andy Burham had better empathy than she did. So, in my opinion, her views her were not very instructive.
But what does that have to do with being a reluctant muslim? Andy being practical and her academic, and her being a reluctant muslim are different things.
 
Sajjan's a knowledgeable guy on these sort of things.
Maybe, but a large build up of NATO forces in Afghanistan is not a good idea. It'll do far more harm than good.

UN peace keeping mission maybe. NATO led mission, definitely not.
 
But what does that have to do with being a reluctant muslim?
Because it seems she does not have in-depth access to the parts of Muslim communities where these issues might occur and so won't fully understand how things work. That came across on several occasions. As I said, theoretical and not practical.

I might be wrong, but that's how she came across to me. I've just ordered her book off Amazon to have a read.
 
Yep. That's exactly what I wrote in a long post in the Manchester thread. It seems we have not made any progress in solving this problem for quite some time.
It's all well intentioned but it follows the same pattern. Unfortunately, it seems to fade from the news without any significant measures having been put into place. But not before point scoring across the political spectrum has taken place.