Rashford probably needs to leave - Jamie Redknapp

simplyared said:
Don't think those 3 yrs mean a lot tbh. When Rashford burst onto the scene with us he was already pretty close to Sterling. The gap has widened since then with Sterling being a key player in the City set-up. Therefore the development of those 2 players has differed considerably. One of them coached by Pep; the other Jose.
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Ditto - rather than a lack of play time per se it's more about where the games have been, the style of football that he has to grow with & just a general lack of confidence going from a strong break through half season under a manager who believes in him to a plateau of performances under a manager who prefers target men to play by themselves.

In my opinion - the fact that Rashford & Martial have had one game together upfront in a partnership is down right poor management & no one can hide that. No one could not have thought during the season Rashford broke through that him and martial has the potential to form a hell of a partnership - on paper having the ability to be good as Cole & Yorke.

Nope - our manager makes them compete against each other playing in positions that won't get the best out of neither of them - not because they are rubbish; but because Jose mourinho's management come in to question more often than not when he doesn't play 4231 with a target man upfront.
 
simplyared said:
Don't think those 3 yrs mean a lot tbh. When Rashford burst onto the scene with us he was already pretty close to Sterling. The gap has widened since then with Sterling being a key player in the City set-up. Therefore the development of those 2 players has differed considerably. One of them coached by Pep; the other Jose.
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3 years is a huge difference at this stage? Looks suspiciously like you are maybe trying to twist this to be about Pep and Jose when it’s clearly not the debate.
 
simplyared said:
Don't think those 3 yrs mean a lot tbh. When Rashford burst onto the scene with us he was already pretty close to Sterling. The gap has widened since then with Sterling being a key player in the City set-up. Therefore the development of those 2 players has differed considerably. One of them coached by Pep; the other Jose.
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No, 3 years development to a young player means everything.

Yet another Pep v Jose comment. Fs this forum is getting pathetic.
 
He's overrated IMO. He's got some skill and pace but his football brain hasn't grown up alongside other elements in the last 2 years.

He is super unintelligent with the ball, frustrating at times. At times I feel someone needs to remind him he's not a 100m sprinter. I wouldn't mind a loan move if that meant more playing time for Martial who for me is a superior player and needs some regular game time (take some off Rashford)
 
Agree he does not deserve to start, has too many brain farts upfront,
 
simplyared said:
Ok forget Pep, but if you are with those who think a loan would do him good. Why would that help him do you think? Possibility of him working under a new coach maybe?
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Because he'd hopefully play week in week out. That is needed at this point.
 
Let people talk crap, Rashford is only 20 and still developing, by the time he reaches 23 he’ll be a 1st team player for sure!!

Sanchez will gone by then.
 
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It all really depends on what kinds of reinforcements are made. If Martial ends up staying, and Lukaku remains healthy, I don't know how much time Rashford will be getting this season unless he improves quite dramatically before next season. The fact is, he is quite clueless at times. If Martial stays, it probably means he's had a talk with Mourinho regarding his role and an expected increase in playing time, which he currently deserves over Rashford based on last season. If that happens, then Rashford will most likely be third string behind Sanchez and Martial and will be Lukaku's replacement at striker (where he's failed to impress, I might add).

Sure, he's young and has time to learn, but go try and tell a young player that. They don't want to hear any of that. It will be interesting to see how that develops but I wouldn't hold it against Rashford if he was looking for a loan to increase his playing time and accelerate his development. He needs more experience and I'm not sure next season he will get that as much as he would on loan. I already know some will mention the amount of matches he's played last season, but what I feel he needs are full or close to full matches on a consistent basis to truly improve because, if anything, he's shown regression last season compared to when he broke out, especially in his decision-making.
 
Fauzan said:
He's overrated IMO. He's got some skill and pace but his football brain hasn't grown up alongside other elements in the last 2 years.

He is super unintelligent with the ball, frustrating at times. At times I feel someone needs to remind him he's not a 100m sprinter. I wouldn't mind a loan move if that meant more playing time for Martial who for me is a superior player and needs some regular game time (take some off Rashford)
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Removing sentiment, Rashford hasn't done enough to justify a starting place in the team. His decision making still leaves a lot to be desired. A loan move to a club he can get playing time will probably be best for him
 
i really do think if rashford was the french player, and martial was the united academy english player it would be very interesting to see how they were perceived.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
i really do think if rashford was the french player, and martial was the united academy english player it would be very interesting to see how they were perceived.
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Exactly the same, if you could channel Rashford' work ethic into Martial, you'd have one hell of a player. Nationality has zero to do with any United player as far as I'm concerned. You really believe United fans care about the nationality of players? Most of the English contingent are generally harshly judged on the Caf, so pretty obvious there's no homegrown favouritism.
 
Red_toad said:
Exactly the same, if you could channel Rashford' work ethic into Martial, you'd have one hell of a player. Nationality has zero to do with any United player as far as I'm concerned. You really believe United fans care about the nationality of players? Most of the English contingent are generally harshly judged on the Caf, so pretty obvious there's no homegrown favouritism.
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i sure as shit do think that. Rashford was unarguably worse than martial for the latter part of the season. I mean just mistake after mistake, horrible positioning up top, pathetic interchange. This whole work ethic argument is bullshit people throw out there to try and justify it. Not a single damn player or coach has ever said anything negative about martial's work ethic to my knowledge. We have a 20 year old who has clearly stagnated, yet any talk of a loan deal gets muted. Rashford plays like shit, yet keeps getting playing time at end of year. You really think there would be a "Martial FC" if he was the youth academy player? Come on
 
Red_toad said:
Exactly the same, if you could channel Rashford' work ethic into Martial, you'd have one hell of a player. Nationality has zero to do with any United player as far as I'm concerned. You really believe United fans care about the nationality of players? Most of the English contingent are generally harshly judged on the Caf, so pretty obvious there's no homegrown favouritism.
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When you heard comparisons of Rashford with Mbappe, it was pretty clear there was a huge English bias there because only people from England would utter such nonsense. He has been a bit overhyped by his own people, which can be understandable, but hopefully that's not what's been the cause of his selfishness. Sometimes I wonder if the hype didn't get to him a bit because he has undeniably tried to force the issue once Martial took his spot, and even more so with Sanchez arrival, trying to get noticed and be the goalscorer when there's better options around him. He's ironically buried himself into a deeper hole by trying to come out of it.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
i sure as shit do think that. Rashford was unarguably worse than martial for the latter part of the season. I mean just mistake after mistake, horrible positioning up top, pathetic interchange. This whole work ethic argument is bullshit people throw out there to try and justify it. Not a single damn player or coach has ever said anything negative about martial's work ethic to my knowledge. We have a 20 year old who has clearly stagnated, yet any talk of a loan deal gets muted. Rashford plays like shit, yet keeps getting playing time at end of year. You really think there would be a "Martial FC" if he was the youth academy player? Come on
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Spot on!
 
He had a good game for England yesterday and matched that with a good goal. But let’s not kid ourselves here it was a pre World Cup friendly against Costa Rica of all teams.

The usual media are out saying ‘why doesn’t he do that for United?’. Well the conclusion is it must be Jose, the big bad wolf that doesn’t play him enough.

Has anyone got stats on his minutes this season compared to other youngsters?

Now making the rounds that if he was under Klopp he would be a different player, where’s the proof? The only youngster that Klopp has brought through is Alexander Arnold. He has 19 appearances this season to Rashford’s 35.

No 19 year old starts every game except maybe Mbappé but he just cost £200m. When Ronaldo joined United he didn’t start every game. Rashford still has a lot to prove imo. He’s good in big games which is probably why opposition fans wonder why he doesn’t start every match. But games like Brighton away, where he was given his chance as a CF he was awful.
 
Josep Dowling said:
He had a good game for England yesterday and matched that with a good goal. But let’s not kid ourselves here it was a pre World Cup friendly against Costa Rica of all teams.

The usual media are out saying ‘why doesn’t he do that for United?’. Well the conclusion is it must be Jose, the big bad wolf that doesn’t play him enough.

Has anyone got stats on his minutes this season compared to other youngsters?

Now making the rounds that if he was under Klopp he would be a different player, where’s the proof? The only youngster that Klopp has brought through is Alexander Arnold. He has 19 appearances this season to Rashford’s 35.

No 19 year old starts every game except maybe Mbappé but he just cost £200m. When Ronaldo joined United he didn’t start every game. Rashford still has a lot to prove imo. He’s good in big games which is probably why opposition fans wonder why he doesn’t start every match. But games like Brighton away, where he was given his chance as a CF he was awful.
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That's it for me. So-called 'agenda posting' on here is one thing but at least that's mainly (a few madmen and sad oppos in disguise aside) from United fans who have the best for the club and player at heart. What I'm tired of is hearing twaddle about Rashford's situation from oppos who haven't seen his poorer games and the likes of Redknapp who don't even have that excuse.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
i really do think if rashford was the french player, and martial was the united academy english player it would be very interesting to see how they were perceived.
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Me too.
Rashford looks more focused and naturally a better footballer in general.
Said this before and some said that Martial is naturally great, but I'm not sure he is in the same way. He just has good feet.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
That's it for me. So-called 'agenda posting' on here is one thing but at least that's mainly (a few madmen and sad oppos in disguise aside) from United fans who have the best for the club and player at heart. What I'm tired of is hearing twaddle about Rashford's situation from oppos who haven't seen his poorer games and the likes of Redknapp who don't even have that excuse.
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It's all media led, the likes of Jamie probably see it as an easy expert opinion to take but the sheeple then follow.

I find it even more annoying as for me and for his age he had a perfectly decent season but thats not allowed they have to be impatient and what a quick development from him. Did Spurs ruin Kane by not giving him regular PL football at his age?
 
Saw a load of tweets saying 'look what happens when Rashford plays with freedom'. I'd like to hear someone quantify that, it's ridiculous. It's the usual from Liverpool fans trying to turn everything against Mourinho and at the same time make it all about them, ticks both boxes.
 
Smores said:
It's all media led, the likes of Jamie probably see it as an easy expert opinion to take but the sheeple then follow.

I find it even more annoying as for me and for his age he had a perfectly decent season but thats not allowed they have to be impatient and what a quick development from him. Did Spurs ruin Kane by not giving him regular PL football at his age?
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I certainly agree with the second point, and I agree to an extent with the first but it must also be said that, albeit through the media, Rashford himself has made some pretty unconvincing noises about his situation. I don't mind if he's frustrated, indeed it could be argued it's essential for a young player to be constantly hungry for more, but I hope he understands he must take a portion of the blame for his perceived slowing of progress. He had chances last season which he didn't take, which is by no means the end of the world for a 20 year old, but that's on him.
 
Josep Dowling said:
He had a good game for England yesterday and matched that with a good goal. But let’s not kid ourselves here it was a pre World Cup friendly against Costa Rica of all teams.

The usual media are out saying ‘why doesn’t he do that for United?’. Well the conclusion is it must be Jose, the big bad wolf that doesn’t play him enough.

Has anyone got stats on his minutes this season compared to other youngsters?

Now making the rounds that if he was under Klopp he would be a different player, where’s the proof? The only youngster that Klopp has brought through is Alexander Arnold. He has 19 appearances this season to Rashford’s 35.

No 19 year old starts every game except maybe Mbappé but he just cost £200m. When Ronaldo joined United he didn’t start every game. Rashford still has a lot to prove imo. He’s good in big games which is probably why opposition fans wonder why he doesn’t start every match. But games like Brighton away, where he was given his chance as a CF he was awful.
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I know what you mean but, in the obvious absence of proof, I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say Rashford would improve more under Klopp. Likewise, someone like Tuanzebe is likely to become a far better player under Mourinho.
 
I don't know why the threads about rashford are blowing up. He just scored a good goal, can't we just appreciate it and move on? There's plenty of time for shitposting next season.

He is a good player. Nothing more,nothing less. Consistency will be a problem at his age. All this comes back to the main issue: that we have not won the league for over half a decade now. The champions league for a full decade. It has resulted in people becoming way too impatient with a boy who is just 20 years of age. And I can see it remaining that way until we go back to being successful.

Let's see how the next season shapes up before making a decision on whether to loan him or keep him. Next season is the make or break season for Mourinho, Martial( if he is still there after August 9), Alexis, Pogba and the club itself. Will we finally dust the cobwebs of the post-SAF years? I can't wait to find out.
 
JB08 said:
I know what you mean but, in the obvious absence of proof, I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say Rashford would improve more under Klopp. Likewise, someone like Tuanzebe is likely to become a far better player under Mourinho.
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But what are we basing this on exactly? Klopp has bought Solanke, the same age as Rashford. Was meant to be the next best thing from Chelsea’s youth academy. How many games did it take him to finally score on the last day of the season?
 
JB08 said:
I know what you mean but, in the obvious absence of proof, I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say Rashford would improve more under Klopp. Likewise, someone like Tuanzebe is likely to become a far better player under Mourinho.
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Not a safe assumption. A cast iron bloody certainty
 
starman said:
Ideally, imo, we loaned him to Leicester last season and bought Vardy instead in for half of what we paid for Lukaku. Next season (2019/20) we would have then been in better shape knowing if we need to put money into a world class striker (dont think Lukuku will ever be WC)

Still open to Vardy coming this season and sending Rashford on loan
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No white text? :wenger:
 
Wonder how the "Jose will stunt his growth" brigade felt about Marcus' performance last night.
 
Josep Dowling said:
But what are we basing this on exactly? Klopp has bought Solanke, the same age as Rashford. Was meant to be the next best thing from Chelsea’s youth academy. How many games did it take him to finally score on the last day of the season?
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Rashford is a lot better than Solanke though. Do you think Solanke would get the same amount of gametime here under Mourinho & then for England? No, as he isn't as good. If you gave Klopp Rashford now, he would immediately be ahead of Solanke in the pecking order as he is a better player.
 
Josep Dowling said:
He had a good game for England yesterday and matched that with a good goal. But let’s not kid ourselves here it was a pre World Cup friendly against Costa Rica of all teams.

The usual media are out saying ‘why doesn’t he do that for United?’. Well the conclusion is it must be Jose, the big bad wolf that doesn’t play him enough.

Has anyone got stats on his minutes this season compared to other youngsters?

Now making the rounds that if he was under Klopp he would be a different player, where’s the proof? The only youngster that Klopp has brought through is Alexander Arnold. He has 19 appearances this season to Rashford’s 35.

No 19 year old starts every game except maybe Mbappé but he just cost £200m. When Ronaldo joined United he didn’t start every game. Rashford still has a lot to prove imo. He’s good in big games which is probably why opposition fans wonder why he doesn’t start every match. But games like Brighton away, where he was given his chance as a CF he was awful.
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If only he'd scored a brace against Liverpool
 
I accept Rashford is young and learning and will make mistakes and have issues with consistency at his age.

He got a lot of game time last year and his appearance count is high.

What gets me is how full of confidence and desire he shows playing for England - taking players on, looking for the ball etc. Towards the end of the season with us his confidence was shot to bits.

I don't want to make this about Jose or anything, jus highlighting that when he is playing without restriction and confidence - Rashford is super talented and can become a seriously good player. Hope to see more of him next season for us, a loan wouldn't do him any good, he needs to be given game time here. He is good enough
 
He was firing at the start of this season, he had a slow second half to the season. No big deal.
 
MUFC OK said:
Saw a load of tweets saying 'look what happens when Rashford plays with freedom'. I'd like to hear someone quantify that, it's ridiculous. It's the usual from Liverpool fans trying to turn everything against Mourinho and at the same time make it all about them, ticks both boxes.
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They just hope that he's not playing for United next year. I don't mind oppos coming up with reasons why he should leave.

JB08 said:
I know what you mean but, in the obvious absence of proof, I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say Rashford would improve more under Klopp. Likewise, someone like Tuanzebe is likely to become a far better player under Mourinho.
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Because? Because a group of 25/26 year olds played well for him last year? Yet, it was Rashford who got a couple against them. Maybe what Rashford really needs is time.
 
Can't understand when people keep saying he's making the wrong decisions. Think I heard Mourinho mention his "decision making" when critisizing him earlier in the season. Seems like the ones who don't rate him have cottoned on to this. Imo it's not about bad decision making because for a player playing in Rashford's position there's no time for making decisions. Instead imo it's down to instictively doing the right things at the right time, which comes automatically with confidence. Anyone can see that Rashford of late is a young lad lacking confidence. Nothing wrong with his ability and talent. Say it again his problem is upstairs and should have been addressed by the coaching staff. Sending him out on loan would be the wrong way to deal with it. If he gets game time for England wouldn't surprise me if he turns in some good performances as a change of environment would only do him good imv.
 
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jojojo said:
Because? Because a group of 25/26 year olds played well for him last year? Yet, it was Rashford who got a couple against them. Maybe what Rashford really needs is time.
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Because Klopp has got his front 3 performing (in my opinion) to standards above their ability. I don't think Salah is as good as Ronaldo and Messi, but his goalscoring record is up there with both. In fact, the front three got 10 goals each in the Champions League. These impressive numbers, coupled with Rashford's (specifically) physical attributes matching Klopp's system makes me think he would thrive at Liverpool under Klopp.

Of course it's all hypothetical, nobody fecking knows in reality because thankfully Rashford is here and not there.
 
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