RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011

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Red Dreams said:
that is the one fear I have....Sir Alex one day calling it quits...


but I am certain he will have a huge say in who comes in after.

That gives some comfort....but whoever it is it will take some time to emulate the great man.
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I remember when Sir Matt went very clearly - even at the age of twelve, I knew Frank O'Farrell was never going to make it - or Wilf McGuiness either
 
To be fair to yolkie, which I don't really want to be, he hardly posted in large on his blog "it was Redcafe!" he just suffered the consequences of the net world where everything you say is recorded and can come back to bite you....The fact he earns his supposed reputation by doing this very thing should mean he's accustomed to being questioned or called a bit of a tit now and ten (which I've had countless times blogging, along with the constant critique of my spelling) ...but he seemed to take this questioning very very badly, to the point of hating Redcafe for it, which then lead him to decide it was "probably them" that did it....Openly. In the real world he could say this in private to his mates and that'd be the end of it, but you're gonna get called on that in this e-world in which you live, and unless you back up your statement, or retract it, you're going to get into a very long and very gay e-war with people who've got just as little to do on a saturday lunchtime as you do
 
That's true, Mockney. At the end of the day it's a shite state of affairs when United fans start slanging matches with each other, whatever the reason. All the more so when it's over Internet gayness as childish as this.

I'm sure Yonkie's heart is in the right place and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth seeing him get ganged up on on Twitter. That said, he could have retracted the silly comment about redcafe and dug himself deeper and deeper with the subsequent victim act. Ho hum. What a silly saga.
 
Mockney said:
To be fair to yolkie, which I don't really want to be, he hardly posted in large on his blog "it was Redcafe!" he just suffered the consequences of the net world where everything you say is recorded and can come back to bite you....The fact he earns his supposed reputation by doing this very thing should mean he's accustomed to being questioned or called a bit of a tit now and ten (which I've had countless times blogging, along with the constant critique of my spelling) ...but he seemed to take this questioning very very badly, to the point of hating Redcafe for it, which then lead him to decide it was "probably them" that did it....Openly. In the real world he could say this in private to his mates and that'd be the end of it, but you're gonna get called on that in this e-world in which you live, and unless you back up your statement, or retract it, you're going to get into a very long and very gay e-war with people who've got just as little to do on a saturday lunchtime as you do
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He wasn't saying it in private to his mates though, he was saying it openly to the world where he does his business. That's why he was pulled up about it, he was advertising it to the world with that intent. The probably part wasn't that much of an issue, it was the 'looks like'... 'it looks like it was them' like there was evidence showing that, rather than just what he thinks. His attitude towards people then for pulling him up on it started what it ended up.

If he made a statement of opinion 'I reckon' 'I think' etc it would have been fair comment, but he said it like it was fact 'it looks like it was them' based on what? That's where it started, and where it ended up was his own fault of being a dick to everyone who questioned it.
 
Zarlak said:
Some wanker posted a thread on RAWK and got banned
Some wanker blamed RedCafe on Twitter
We all called him a wanker for doing that
He's a wanker.
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He does sound like a bit of a wanker tbf
 
Yonkie just seemed to lash out, he had already been upset that redcafe serves as a fairly good bullshit detector and he was flagged up.

He probably doesn't deserve to be chased around Twitter but If you try to sell your name on the back of insider information, then that information had better come to fruition or provide proof of your source . Or prepare to be filed with the rest of the bullshit websites that post unsubstantiated rumours.
 
dumbo said:
Yonkie just seemed to lash out, he had already been upset that redcafe serves as a fairly good bullshit detector and he was flagged up.

He probably doesn't deserve to be chased around Twitter but If you try to sell your name on the back of insider information, then that information had better come to fruition or provide proof of your source . Or prepare to be filed with the rest of the bullshit websites that post unsubstantiated rumours.
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He's not really being chased round Twitter either, we can't confuse him as a victim, he made a stupid statement, people responded, he then responded to all of those people in turn, they didn't keep hounding him, he actually wrote replies to everybody belittling them for what they had said to him, that is what started people writing back to him with their own attitude, because he started being a dick to them in the first place and provoking a reaction. It's all his own doing.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's true, Mockney. At the end of the day it's a shite state of affairs when United fans start slanging matches with each other, whatever the reason. All the more so when it's over Internet gayness as childish as this.

I'm sure Yonkie's heart is in the right place and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth seeing him get ganged up on on Twitter. That said, he could have retracted the silly comment about redcafe and dug himself deeper and deeper with the subsequent victim act. Ho hum. What a silly saga.
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Yeah I agree. I don't like it particularly either. I'd certainly say hello and have a drink with him on Sunday if he came in the Tollgate and made himself known cos it's really just silly internet gayness...I'm sure he's an alright bloke in person. The fact he kept digging meant I was gonna go after him though. He was being a fairly massive hypocrite for most of that argument when a simple "look, I took offence to things said on there about me and so I'm not a big fan of the site. I have no evidence it was them though" would've sufficed...As opposed to "Yeah well you haven't proved it wasn't them, and anyway, they've targetted me and I've suffered because of their disgusting track record and you're being precious etc" and all sorts of nonsense like that...Grow up man.

Zarlak said:
He wasn't saying it in private to his mates though, he was saying it openly to the world where he does his business. That's why he was pulled up about it, he was advertising it to the world with that intent. The probably part wasn't that much of an issue, it was the 'looks like'... 'it looks like it was them' like there was evidence showing that, rather than just what he thinks. His attitude towards people then for pulling him up on it started what it ended up.

If he made a statement of opinion 'I reckon' 'I think' etc it would have been fair comment, but he said it like it was fact 'it looks like it was them' based on what? That's where it started, and where it ended up was his own fault of being a dick to everyone who questioned it.
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I agree, he kept on digging, which is why peeps went after him..It's not like he didn't do exactly the same thing by dragging the Caf and it's members onto twitter a few months ago when he felt he was "attacked" and we were "starting threads just to target him" ...which was farcical really. There's one thread with about 3 posters making light of the fact he was a no mark and people were taking it as gospel. Talk about over egging it....

But meh, I've got no beef with him at all. I use my real name and status on twitter so it's not like I'm hiding or anything. I'm quite happy to make peace at any time. Sadly I think he takes himself slightly too seriously for that ...He wrote an open letter to Wayne Rooney FFS...He clearly thinks his opinions are highly important. But what do I know ey? It's all uber gay.
 
Mockney said:
Yeah I agree. I don't like it particularly either. I'd certainly say hello and have a drink with him on Sunday if he came in the Tollgate and made himself known cos it's really just silly internet gayness...I'm sure he's an alright bloke in person. The fact he kept digging meant I was gonna go after him though. He was being a fairly massive hypocrite for most of that argument when a simple "look, I took offence to things said on there about me and so I'm not a big fan of the site. I have no evidence it was them though" would've sufficed...As opposed to "Yeah well you haven't proved it wasn't them, and anyway, they've targetted me and I've suffered because of their disgusting track record and you're being precious etc" and all sorts of nonsense like that...Grow up man.



I agree, he kept on digging, which is why peeps went after him..It's not like he didn't do exactly the same thing by dragging the Caf and it's members onto twitter a few months ago when he felt he was "attacked" and we were "starting threads just to target him" ...which was farcical really. There's one thread with about 3 posters making light of the fact he was a no mark and people were taking it as gospel. Talk about over egging it....

But meh, I've got no beef with him at all. I use my real name and status on twitter so it's not like I'm hiding or anything. I'm quite happy to make peace at any time. Sadly I think he takes himself slightly too seriously for that ...He wrote an open letter to Wayne Rooney FFS...He clearly thinks his opinions are highly important. But what do I know ey? It's all uber gay.
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Exactly, my @name on Twitter is my real name with my picture, I'm not hiding anything, if he apologised and accepted he was wrong etc then that would have been it, incident over, the fact that he came back ridiculing me and at one point said 'good, you've learned a new word today' when I asked him to stop being defamatory, is just begging for retaliation. If someone accepts they are wrong and are man enough to do it, then everything is fine and you can get on with it. It's the same on here, I don't dislike posters, I dislike posts, if someone is wrong, they are allowed to be, if they then realise, refuse to go back and instead start retaliating like he did, well then that just opens the floodgates.
 
Mockney said:
Yeah I agree. I don't like it particularly either. I'd certainly say hello and have a drink with him on Sunday if he came in the Tollgate and made himself known cos it's really just silly internet gayness...
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Buy him a glass of nog.
 
Both of what you say is true. I wholeheartedly agree with Zarlak though. You disclose your thoughts and suspicions to close friends and family and not to the e-world in which you make your livelihood or should i say hobby. For someone that cgains friends by "knowing considerably more than others" and then making a host of slanderous comments about not the silly individual but the whole caf.
He argues exactly like GoldTrafford which GB made a brilliant point and has me convinced its him

I was one of the posters who tweeted him to say his comment was a bit too wide and maybe he needed to blame the individual rather than the entirety IF....IF he had evidence.

And whoever writes that blog that talked about it (i think it may be you mockney) he's having a severe pop at it now on twitter
 
Excellent post on RAWK:

FAO RedCafe moderators reading thread (golden_blunder). One of our mods registered with your site last night so he could talk privately with your mods. He is still awaiting approval as far as I'm aware hence no contact. Another has just contacted you in the last few minutes via your contact form.

FAO others on RedCafe as there seems to be a lot of confusion (feel free to repost):

1) Two separate RAWK accounts were compromised. One Thursday night and one Friday night. Both accounts had been registered on here for many years and lads well known to moderators. Another attempt to compromise a third account was blocked.

2) The sick parody posts made re: Hodgson/Hillsborough were almost identical in nature and crucially were made from the same IP address which had never been used before on those accounts or the forum as a whole. They also stood out a mile to any LFC fan as clearly being a dig over Hillsborough.

3) Posts removed within minutes. Screen shots appeared on twitter almost simultaneously and contents similarly copy and pasted on to RedCafe and other Man Utd sites. Your moderators have deleted the first post which was copy and pasted but the second (and quotes of it) remain. We appreciate the work you do on your forum with respect to idiotic comments on both Heysel and Hillsborough, as we do with Munich references here, which isn't always replicated elsewhere.

4) This doesn't mean RedCafe/RedIssue/UnitedOnline members or the forums/websites themselves were necessarily responsible for the account compromisation. With Red Cafe it could be just a coincidence with being such a large site with so many members. With the window the posts were on this site being so small, it is probable that you have a few posters just a bit too obsessed with this site and they have F5 fever, constantly refreshing for things to copy and paste in your RAWK Meltdown thread. We used to have the same problem here with fans obsessed with your site. That is why we binned RedCafe Watch style threads a few years back and added your site to the forum filter to prevent people posting links to discourage such slightly worrying myopia.

5) With regards to the release of private details as alleged by a couple of your members (Pogue_Mahone and Zen86) - we have only once released details in 10 years of the site being active. This was to the police who were investigating a fraud re: spare tickets. The individual was successfully prosecuted. As for RAWK releasing personal details (name, address etc) not only would this be illegal and morally something we'd be utterly opposed to, but also something we couldn't do as we don't have any of that information. We only have usernames and email addresses of registered users. The first of the two hacked users was targetted offsite as he's a well known Red and the screenshots were distributed quickly by social media such as facebook.

6) The IP address in question has been traced to a third country from the current locations of both users whose accounts were hacked (one is currently serving with the RAF in Afghanistan which is why we were very suspicious over the activity) and we're continuing our investigations. If a Red Cafe moderator wants the IP address to check their own forum isn't being targetted we'd be happy to pass it on in confidence.

7) If you want to get in contact by email there is a link on the front page:

The Independent Liverpool FC Website, Red and White Kop

Hope that clears up any confusion and questions.
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I don't blame them. There is a 61 page obsessive rant about a web-site that has no relation to Red Cafe on Red Cafe.
 
maldini said:
I don't blame them. There is a 61 page obsessive rant about a web-site that has no relation to Red Cafe on Red Cafe.
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The relation is that they are our rivals. They themselves have had threads in the past of the same nature, if someone posts a thread about Munich and it causes offence and we ban them, should we go around saying 'it was those wankers at RAWK that did it' We wouldn't do that because it's not on. You don't just accuse someone with no basis at all.
 
Zarlak said:
The relation is that they are our rivals. They themselves have had threads in the past of the same nature, if someone posts a thread about Munich and it causes offence and we ban them, should we go around saying 'it was those wankers at RAWK that did it' We wouldn't do that because it's not on. You don't just accuse someone with no basis at all.
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That's EXACTLY what happens! I can't stop reading sweeping generalizations about Liverpool supporters on this site, and in particular, the users on RAWK.

There are clearly users on this site who can't see the fine line between friendly banter between rival clubs and inflammatory and/or offensive language.
 
So, Pogue says a person's address was published on RAWK but RAWK denies it. Can anyone help me understand this and explain how this is different from the supposed accusations RAWK have been making of Red Cafe?
 
maldini said:
That's EXACTLY what happens! I can't stop reading sweeping generalizations about Liverpool supporters on this site, and in particular, the users on RAWK.

There are clearly users on this site who can't see the fine line between friendly banter between rival clubs and inflammatory and/or offensive language.
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You sure you should be on a football forum? I think you are taking it a bit too seriously yourself.
 
maldini said:
That's EXACTLY what happens! I can't stop reading sweeping generalizations about Liverpool supporters on this site, and in particular, the users on RAWK.

There are clearly users on this site who can't see the fine line between friendly banter between rival clubs and inflammatory and/or offensive language.
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There is a difference, between sweeping generalizations on this site and the RAWK site, and the offending post that is being discussed here. There is nothing to do with banter here in this issue.
 
That post from Rushian isn't bad at all...There's no need to slam it (other than the fact there's no need to address us at all since we've done nothing but laugh at the whole thing) I think it's a good start at trying to show that they aren't just all accusing this site...It's the mod who made the stickie that has basically accused us, and made the whole issue an issue by deciding it was 'Mancs' and "appeared first on RedCafe in a screengrab (which it didn't)" wink wink...Rushian clearly has far more decency about him.
 
feck it, the guy deserves it, we're no carebear refugee here. The least he learn from it.

We're all aware what the consequences of an internet bully might do for your ego, but heck he just have to face it, we all face it and we didn't cry foul.

PS: he could have just deleted his twitter and poof gone out, it's not like he's using real pictures or anything.
 
maldini said:
That's EXACTLY what happens! I can't stop reading sweeping generalizations about Liverpool supporters on this site, and in particular, the users on RAWK.

There are clearly users on this site who can't see the fine line between friendly banter between rival clubs and inflammatory and/or offensive language.
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So feck off then.
 
maldini said:
Excellent post on RAWK:
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What's excellent?

They realized they're pointing with no solid base, and all they're saying is that "we're decided to cancel our allegations and turn it down a notch to probability while still trying to maintain that they're innocent and we're the baddies"

They could have just said apologize for it in the first place.

That post is a joke, they said it themselves that their only base of accusation is the grabbed screen in a limited time window, something which could have happened and it's not like a 1 in a million chance of occuring, some of us treats RAWK as holiday most of the times. No where they stated they have solid evidence of traced IP correspond to the IP of Redcafe poster.


PS: I'm trying not to be biased, it could have been anyone, but at this point they really ahve no ground for accusing anyone
 
Mockney said:
That post from Rushian isn't bad at all...There's no need to slam it (other than the fact there's no need to address us at all since we've done nothing but laugh at the whole thing) I think it's a good start at trying to show that they aren't just all accusing this site...It's the mod who made the stickie that has basically accused us, and made the whole issue an issue by deciding it was 'Mancs' and "appeared first on RedCafe in a screengrab (which it didn't)" wink wink...Rushian clearly has far more decency about him.
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The paragraph where he was talking about obsessions was the only thing I objected to. It was like "Yeah we are in the wrong, but you shouldn't be so obsessed".

Still, at least it was something.
 
Mockney said:
That post from Rushian isn't bad at all...There's no need to slam it (other than the fact there's no need to address us at all since we've done nothing but laugh at the whole thing) I think it's a good start at trying to show that they aren't just all accusing this site...It's the mod who made the stickie that has basically accused us, and made the whole issue an issue by deciding it was 'Mancs' and "appeared first on RedCafe in a screengrab (which it didn't)" wink wink...Rushian clearly has far more decency about him.
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I have no problems with that post, but the mod who has his brains firmly placed in his arse. Or probably Paul Tomkin's arse, who's head is up there, deep and safely buried in FSW's arse.
 
Let's just back to laughing at Liverpool, and make sure that Yolkie or whomever the feck it is, doesn't gain more attention for being an attention whore. Again, some muppet uses RedCafe to try and gain some popularity.
 
maldini said:
So, Pogue says a person's address was published on RAWK but RAWK denies it. Can anyone help me understand this and explain how this is different from the supposed accusations RAWK have been making of Red Cafe?
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Eh? I never said anyone's address was posted on RAWK.

What is this? Making up pretend shit on the internet day?
 
Who is this Maldini bloke? Why can't we have guys like Interista posting here?

One of the allegations thrown bizzarely at the Mancs/RedCafe/mankind was that personal details of the posters whose accounts were hacked were divulged in the public domain.
The question that was put to the RAWK neanderthals was how would we have that information unless they were accusing RedCafe of somehow orchestrating this attack. I haven't seen any post from Pogue claiming that RAWK published their addresses. The only people who are privvy to those details (even if it's only emails) are RAWK mods surely?
 
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