Roman is a lot wiser with his funds these days. There's no way he'd pay that kind of money. Negotiating avenues closed for the Scousers when Torres handed in a transfer request.
RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011
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Roman is a lot wiser with his funds these days. There's no way he'd pay that kind of money. Negotiating avenues closed for the Scousers when Torres handed in a transfer request.
United and Ronaldo played it perfectly with Real.
He'll probably go for somewhere around £35-40m I'd guess.
I can't imagine anything close to 60 mill. Around 40 with some clauses taking it up to 45 would be my guess.
Can you even imagine the internet outrage if all of it, and then some, were not invested in players?
One thing that has come from G&H is that the owners are under more scrutiny these days. If they pulled a G&H on this one, they'd be making enemies of the fans very quickly.
That would be the right price...
friend of mine plays for the redsox. last time I was chatting to him he said there is huge respect amongst the players in boston for henry and the set up there. claims they will invest when the right player is available and wont be afraid to spend money while also giving priority to developing young players. he says they are serious people and will not be in it for a quick profit.
Chief is 100% correct. Part of the Moneyball scheme is selling high if you believe a player has exceeded his value, you make a move to profit on him at quickest venue possible.
This is what is happening.
This is what is happening.
he red sox situation is completely different from liverpool.
red sox are the 2nd richest team in their sport. liverpool arent. the red sox don't have to worry about fickelness of foreign players nearly as much. red sox revenue streams are much better protected than liverpool. the red sox missing out on the playoffs isn't nearly as damaging as liverpool out of europe.
they (sox) essentially self fund their operations (henry/nesv are not benevolent patrons playing oil baron/sheik). They will look to liverpool to d the same.
Also moneyball, which is/was a insightful method of valuating players in baseball, doesn't purely turn into championships. As the 'inventor' of moneyball even remarked (billy beane): "my shit doesn't work in the playoffs".
Furthermore, the red sox, while having won 2 world series titles, have only won their own division once (this would be closest equivalent to 'winning the league' snce winning the division is strictly on win-loss record). Their aim is to get into the playoffs and do damage.
Likewise, the owners will spend at liverpool as long as most of the cash is generated by liverpool and they will spend in the arsenal style of making top4 and going on cup runs. However, unlike arsenal, they don't have a wenger and their squad is no where near as talented nor do they have something like the emirates.
In short, livepool are not a credible league threat when the likes of us, city, arsenal, and chelsea are about. I am willing to bet anything that they will eclipse our 26 year drought at they very least.
really funny some of the talk from Liverpool supporters.
their team needs wholesale changes. the new owners are in no way the russian criminal nor the City arabs. Plus kin Kenny is no match for Ferguson nor Wenger.
to win the League, you need to overcome United, Arsenal, City and Chelsea and Spurs. I mean not just this season...but long term...
Probability? not very high.
their team needs wholesale changes. the new owners are in no way the russian criminal nor the City arabs. Plus kin Kenny is no match for Ferguson nor Wenger.
to win the League, you need to overcome United, Arsenal, City and Chelsea and Spurs. I mean not just this season...but long term...
Probability? not very high.
that wasnt my point. I was just sharing the fact that the henry approach is not one of quick profit. and that while people in the UK are wondering what their plans are the belief in boston is that they will behave at liverpool as they do at Boston where they are very much appreciated and respected. whether it brings success or not is a different matter
Bet they were over the moon when Owen made it 1-1
After Southampton's goal.
The usual RAWK style rant about the refs went on all the way through the second half.
Introduction of Nani and Giggs.
The Owen goal!
The Hernandez goal!
The Ref.
The usual RAWK style rant about the refs went on all the way through the second half.
Loved it.
and then they got distracted by a Southampton player falling over, and went on their "Fergie has threatened the refs" rants again.
Oh, did we only win because of the referee again? 
Oh, did we only win because of the referee again?
The referee, linesmen, 4th official, the FA, the Premier League, the pro-Utd Managers' Cabal, the anti-Scouse media... etc. ... etc.
Everytime that little fecker scores, I feel like projectile vomiting in his face.. horrible little fecker
That's fairly funny.
That's fairly funny.
Kind of like that one.
Be great on a T-shirt
I saw one about Giggs having shark eyes, made me crack up
its always the ref help we won, they are so delusional.
Apparently the ref failed to award at least one blatant push against us, somewhere on the pitch - and even a few fouls (somewhere) - every foul given against a Soton player was probably blatantly wrong too.
This obvious favouritism apparently made a crucial difference.
This obvious favouritism apparently made a crucial difference.
Brilliant stuff.
I'm not seeing it myself but I wholeheartedly want to agree with that.
Proper rivalry. If you can't fault their footballing ability or their personality, you can at least have the decency to insinuate that there is something dark and evil hidden deep within his soul.
To be fair, he is a manc so it's probably true.
Apparently someone called Talksport, called "Andy, from Allerton"...
FA Cup 4th Round - 29/30th Jan & Premier League - 1/2nd Feb
So now, Caftards, which one of it was you?
FA Cup 4th Round - 29/30th Jan & Premier League - 1/2nd Feb
So now, Caftards, which one of it was you?
I saw one about Giggs having shark eyes, made me crack up
That's why Giggs is still playing. If he stops moving, he'll die.
It's not a good equivalent though, because nobody sets out to win their division just for the sake of winning it, and the fans don't really care as long as you do well in the playoffs.
If a team is several games back in second place in their division with three weeks to go, but have the Wild-Card spot sewn up, they don't mount a furious charge to try to win the division. In fact they'll probably rest key players down the stretch, because you want them to be sharp once the playoffs start.
No, but it is important to win your division because it guarantees playoffs and a technically easier road in the playoffs, as well as home field advantage. I agree if a team is miles behind they'll give up for it, but for 5 out of the 6months of regular sesason they'll be fightig tooth and nail to win the AL east.
As i said, it isn't a perfect equivalent, but it is a close proxy of how a team stands over the long haul of the season. The playoffs are like cup runs, they can distort the true strength of a side....like coming back 3-0 in 2004 for the sox or 3-0 against milan for liverpool.
You should check out the Edwin VDS thread. Some actually commented that vds is hugely overrated for his distribution and his kicking is shit.. That kind of shit goes a new level. Lol
I would love for Owen to get the goal that wins us 19
That sums up my feelings towards gerrard and carragher, respectful of how good they are and denying how good they could be for us, fair play.
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It's nothing new though. Refs are the easiest targets for the denial circle they're whirling in. It's a horrible horrible ABL world.
What were Southampton's two penalty claims?
FFS. It's a sad sad day when you'd rather see another team lose than your own team win.
Tbf their team was not playing today
Tbf their team was not playing today
Tbf that's been the case for most of the season.
Moneyball scheme? What the feck is that?
Moneyball is specific way to approach creating a team in baseball, relying heavily on certain statistics. It's how the Red Sox put their team together, so it is believed Liverpool will now be doing the same.
I don't think it is at all applicable to football.
The closest I've ever heard anything in football has come to moneyball would be the Ukrainian way, which was written about in my favorite football book: How Soccer Explains the World: An Unlikely Theory of Globalization
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