I'm a black man and I've spoken before on the forum about my dissolution with the way racism is treated in football. I side much more with David James so I'm not a fan of with the Lets' Kick It Out campaign from a different point of view to Rio, but I'd still have worn the shirt. No matter how we feel about the campaign itself, we all agree with sentiment, so it's not worth causing a problem over.
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Fergie made our stance quite clear when he said "everyone" would wear the t-shirts. If he hadn't have done that then Rio could probably get away with it this time.
But refusing to follow Fergie's orders was a bad move from Rio. No matter how ineffective he feels their racism campaign is, he can't be seen to go against the boss. He needs to learn to pick and choose his battles better. There was nothing to gain from such a simple gesture this time.
But refusing to follow Fergie's orders was a bad move from Rio. No matter how ineffective he feels their racism campaign is, he can't be seen to go against the boss. He needs to learn to pick and choose his battles better. There was nothing to gain from such a simple gesture this time.
Fair enough, but what if Rio and Roberts have a motive for doing so? What if they know something we don't? After all, the campaign is pretty much FA run and the FA have let Rio and his brother down massively have they not?
Besides, Rio not wearing the shirt would have caused much less controversy if SAF hadn't inexplicably got involved.
If they know something we don't, they should tell us. Or it ends up looking like this.
Of course it wasn't. It was a comment on high-handed white men telling black men how to behave.
Can't blame Rio for this at all. The issue is bigger than Ferdinand and bigger than Alex Ferguson. Rio would be feeling if there's a positive impact to this campaign or if it's just a spin more than the manager, it's affected him far more personally. If he doesn't believe in the way it's done, he shouldn't be forced to do anything. If Fergie has a problem with it he should have kept it in house. Even if there's a disagreement, Rio certainly doesn't deserve to be put out to dry like that considering the issue.
You dont fecking get life for murdering someone but calling someone a black cnut is worse? In here we call each other fannies cnuts twats aso but as soon as that fecking awful thing is being mentioned it deserves a ban for life. I´m getting all wiped up here and prob sounds like a fecking rasist but I hate rasist people. He should have worn the T-shirt.
I'm not sure that's a fair characterisation. It's more of a employer-employee dynamic than a white man - black man one.
Sir Alex as a manager is known by everyone to have complete control of the club and simply will not accept something being outside of it. Rio fecked up, he achieved nothing by not wearing the shirt, it's not like anyone is going to be massively bothered about the fact that he isn't wearing it because it's obvious all anyone cares about is the fact that he has contradicted the manager.
It's racist you feckin moron
Methinks this might spell the end of Rio's time with the club. It's not like Ferguson is averse to turfing players out on their arses when they've gone against him and aren't as useful anymore, no matter how fantastic they may have been for the club prior. Roy Keane is testament to that.
Well you're being a bit colourblind here. It's classic white man in power telling black man in subordinate position what to feel and how to behave.
Yeah Fergies a massive racist.I think Fergie would have been equally annoyed, if not more so, had a white player opted not to wear the T-shirt. Therefore, I don't think you're right.
Well he's been a right fecking cnut.
That's the whole feckin point!
Everyone agrees with kick it out until it affects their club.
Ferdinand is being castigated for contradicting our manager rather than standing up for his race.
WTF?
"Classic"? Be very careful what you're accusing Ferguson of here, peter.
Wearing the T-shirt?
For feck's sake - so it doesn't matter that his comments are addressed at black players. Have you got a cold in the head high up?
Whoosh
I just don't agree that Fergie's desire to exert authority over Rio is because of colour. It's because of the club dynamic.
I agree that Fergie has behaved badly, and should not be dictating issues like this to the players.
Exactly it because when Liverpool wore the Suarez tees many people at the time believed Glen Johnson had been forced to wear his (some still do and feel he has simply towed the line) and insulted Dalglish for making the team wear them.
In this instance as much as I respect Sir Alex, I'd have happily disobeyed it if meant standing up for something I felt strongly about. Isn't that one of the things we pride ourselves on, having not only good players but strong characters?
We have no fit defenders so this is no time to be punishing the few fit ones that we do have.
This is all SAF's fault really. He should have had a conversation with Rio before making those comments yesterday. It now looks like his authority has been questioned and he takes these things very seriously, however trivial or justifiable the offence may be.
To be honest I dont think Ferdinand gives a feck about ferguson on this one.
As far as punishment goes he might get a fine but he wont get dropped at the moment.
But ferguson never forgets and could easily drop ferdinand for a big game later on, a cup final or something, but then again Rio is so used to missing games it probably wouldnt bother him, and his days as a United player are numbered anyway with his age and his injury record.
As far as punishment goes he might get a fine but he wont get dropped at the moment.
But ferguson never forgets and could easily drop ferdinand for a big game later on, a cup final or something, but then again Rio is so used to missing games it probably wouldnt bother him, and his days as a United player are numbered anyway with his age and his injury record.
I guess "resting" him for Braga (if Smalling can make it) would be the perfect opportunity if he felt the need to remind people who's the boss.
Can someone please tell me what the fecking T-shirts said? I for some reason thought it was Kick rasism OUT of football but I was obviousley wrong. Please enlighten me and sack the 10 players wearing the shit
Why?
Fergie had an opinion on the matter and expected one of his senior players to show some support to stopping racism in the game.
Ferdinand has made a bit of a cock of himself in this situation drawing unnecessary attention to himself and Fergie.
You just know as well this incident will be the first asked by reporters ahead of the Braga game.
Er, again I think you've missed something. Clue, Crumpsall wasn't talking about the shirt in response to you
Reading your comments I feel like you don't understand this whole issue buddy, just leave it
Read SAF's comments again. This wasn't a question merely asked to him and he had to answer, he went off on a bizarre speech that was totally uneccessary and clearly didn't know Rio's intentions at the time.
Right or wrong, Rio surely had right to choose to wear a poxy t-shirt or not didn't he? This is more about SAF feeling embarrassed than anything.
The tees said 'Ferguson must be obeyed .... Even when he's being a knob'
SAF is barking up the wrong tree here...
I´m sorry if I offended you BUT as long as he is in charge he must be obeyed. Stam Becks and Keane for excample knows that.
I agree with Rio on this. The whole kick rascism out of football campaign has been undermined by the Terry affair. Problem is now is SAF has stuck his beak in and Rio has gone against it.
is it to much to ask what I have missed. To me the Manchester United players were thought to wear a "KICK RASISM OUT OF FOOTBALL" shirt. 10 choosed to do so (evra welbs valencia rafael included) Why didn´t Rio wear it? And why is Fergie the villian and Rio the saint?
If Rio was against it, he should have told Sir Alex. Period. If he isn't happy with how the Terry case was handled, he should retire from England. If he wants to do something, he can. He has a medium to talk about racism - not incidents that have effected him, prior to the terry inncident. You don't undermine the club. If Rio had a problem, he should have gone to Sir Alex and told him.
What do you think should be done besides not wearing tshirts? Fergie is the boss and what he says goes and he protected Rio when he couldn´t be arsed taking a drugs test. This is the way Rio thanks him for that.