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Yeah, I've just spent a couple of hours reading about that. Funnily enough, Brave heart was quoted as being more historically accurate
That's a stab to the heart of any movie
I love Braveheart.
The transit van they accidently left in a battle scene during braveheart was probably more realistic than the plot.
Was just in Vietnam and they call it the American War.
Yeah, they said that on a programme I watched recently. I think it's more Laos and Cambodia who call it the 2nd Indo China war.
Off topic slightly, I've always wanted to go to Vietnam and Laos... How was it? It looks absolutely fecking stunning.
They aren’t that anti-American in Southeast Asia. The actually would rather not even discuss the shiity things the US government has done. The UK on the other hand is probably the most anti-American place I‘ve visited recently
Both correct. Vietnam war is the american war that was part of the second indochina war that included the cambodja and laosian conflict
Yeah it's a good film, but it's basically completely made up. The names are real... sometimes.
Here's an Amnesty report on Raqqa, for anyone interested: https://raqqa.amnesty.org/
Wikipedia says 1 600 civilians bombed to death over 4 months, according to Amnesty, Airways and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. In Bakhmut, the Ukranian government claims 4 000 civilian deaths over 9 months, I don't know if any organizations have made estimates.
Some pictures of Raqqa, just grabbed from google search:
This article has a short video of the city: https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ld-raqqa-struggles-recover-years-war-55107150
The younger general public does not care either way, but governments do. Most of them were/are tyrants that have some relations with China and Russia and would spout anti-American rhetoric most of the time, despite knowing that China is usually up to no good for their country in the long run. But they have to keep their power there and use the "keeping closer to the nearest enemy" stuff. At least, that's how it's been for the past half-century in Burma.
I know. Historically there isn't a thing right.
But i dont know what burma has to do with the bombings on laos, cambodja and vietnam. Also, with my little knowledge, burma had a very specific political and international closeness for the last 50 years compared to any south asian government situation
Im ready to learn otherwise
If i'm not mistaken the Indochina wars is the name for all the conflicts in the area between communist and anti-communist forces 1946-1991.
The Vietnam/American war is the conflict between North Vietnam and South Vietnamin 1955-1975 in which the US got involved.
The Vietnam/American war is the conflict between North Vietnam and South Vietnamin 1955-1975 in which the US got involved.
I won't go into too much detail here because this is a UA thread. I was addressing how the governments of Southeast Asian countries were not particularly warm to the U.S. for what it has done to them in the past and because China is very close to them geographically. In terms of fighting communism, Burma had to suffer some of the burden, as did most Southeast Asian countries at the time—though not as severely as those mentioned, and it is part of the reason why the opium trade in that area became infamous for decades after that. You can type "Kuomintang in Burma" in Google and read a bit about it. In terms of how messed up the politics are, Burma is up there with any of them.
After Obama visited Burma twice in 2012 and 2014, China pushed two rebel groups that it had heavily sponsored and equipped and with whom it had signed a cease-fire with the military government for nearly two decades to resume hostilities with Burmese government troops out of concern of American influence in the nation.
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Thanks for the tip will give it a look. And yes, i know that burma is up there and even more closed than them. As fecked up it is, a none compensatory positive side effect is that i enjoyed the non touristy areas of the south and north like few other areas in the world
Ill stop deviating the thread
So Russian units even started to buy soldiers from other units to use them as fodder in assaults. Slavery inside their own military so to speak. Every time you think they hit rock bottom, they prove you wrong.
As Zaluzhnyi said in the interview I shared earlier in Russia the life of the soldier/person is the cheapest and most disposable thing. As usual though these dumb fecks are appealing to Putin their lord savior, the propaganda really did them hard. Not only that, they’re again protesting over how the war is managed (as they still support it) instead of asking to stop this madness.
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That's what decades of propaganda will do to a simple mind. No matter how horrific and abysmal the situation is, they still don't see who is really responsible for all their misery. A people of modern slaves.
The first IndoChina war was fought against the French. 1946-1954 Shortly after WWII finished the French tried to get control of Vietnam.
The second was the Vietnam war with America, although as it wasn't just Vietnam involved, far from it, it's known as the 2nd IndoChina war. At least that's what I've understood and what my lad has told me. He's the wanna be history teacher so I'm going to go with what he says
The Vietnam government is probably more worried about China than American at this point b/c of the South China Sea disputed territories
History is not my strong suit so I'll go with what he's saying as well. BTW when did the Vietnam war become history? When I went to school in the 90's we weren't thought anything about it. I think WW2 was the last war we talked about.The first IndoChina war was fought against the French. 1946-1954 Shortly after WWII finished the French tried to get control of Vietnam.
The second was the Vietnam war with America, although as it wasn't just Vietnam involved, far from it, it's known as the 2nd IndoChina war. At least that's what I've understood and what my lad has told me. He's the wanna be history teacher so I'm going to go with what he says
I'm not sure it's in any lesson. My lad is 17, he's autistic and he's just a fecking sponge. He's got an eidetic memory and his passion is history. But especially history of wars and conflicts. He once schooled me and a couple of mates for about three hours about the war of the bucket....
We all argued with him but when we researched it, he was right. I mean, who even knows that shit? More to the point, who fights over a bucket? It was a sham.
This is what I mean by propaganda as if that government is what the locals wanted or even cared for. The collapse should have been obvious enough.
Anyway I won’t derail this thread because it doesn’t have much to do with Russia so I’m fine to continue in the geopolitics one
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It wasn’t a sham given that it was credible, transparent, and resulted in multiple cycles of democratically elected Afghan leaders. The fact that the Taliban came back is unrelated to the legitimacy of the elections. But yes, one for the Geopolitics thread.
Schools over there legit don’t teach the Vietnam War??
I certainly never studied it at school when I was there.
Vietnam is an amazing country. Highly recommend. The people are kind, the food is great and it’s absurdly cheap. Hoi An and Saigon are my favorites. Hanoi and Hue are worth visiting as well
I can't say what drugs they take as I have no experience in them, but a report I watched for the Lebanese civil war, some stated that they took drugs to feel superhuman when pushing. Even the enemy would say there's no way this guy kept pushing and running even after getting hit with 1 or 2 bullets. So I'd guess for sure there are some drugs that help in these scenarios.
So Bakhmut has fallen?
But at what cost for the orcs?
But at what cost for the orcs?
For the most part yes. There are still fights in the western outskirts because Ukraine holds the high ground around that part, so I doubt Wagner will show themselves there to be sitting ducks and the skirmishes will continue, but the city has more or less fallen and Ukraine focuses mainly on the area around the city now, where they made constant progress in the last couple of days.
I'd estimate Wagner lost between 50.000-100.000 men (death + injured) in the whole Bakhmut and Soledar area. They recruited 50k prisoners at some point, of which only a couple of thousand returned home after 6 months according to reports. And there are also their normal contract mercs fighting since 10 months. Plus a huge ammount of ammunition, artillery and other equipment of course. Wagner only advanced when they obliterated every position with artillery first, so they've used an insane amount of shells alone to take the city.
Is it possible Ukrainians will encircle Bahmut and Russian forces there, work on the flanks of the town?
That would be the most ideal scenario of course. Ukrainian forces made a good progress around the flanks, but it's still not close enough to even threaten encirclement of the city. For that, they need the real counteroffensive I suppose. But watching them already abandon the positions as soons as Ukraine pushes a little is a good indicator how the Russians will behave when the real counteroffensive starts.
Not the first time this happens. Some of the sabotage acts we have seen in Russia are likely caused by this group or other Russians who share their values. Still they apparently are not a large group.
Given the limitations of the F16's that are now apparently going to be sent to Ukraine, will this actually mean some sort of additional support in terms of AWAC's / Electronic suppression of Russian Air Force within Ukraine in order to make them work?
Would this be done in an official way, eg the UN finally passing some sort of limited "No-Fly Zone" for Russian planes over Ukraine? Or might this be done in a more "stealthy" way - Train some Ukrainian Air force people in how to operate and AWACs system and then gift them a few planes so the Ukrainian Airforce can work it's way towards Air Superiority?
It seems like a potential morale problem to have Ukrainian Pilots fall out of the sky in F16's due to the lack of the support it would enjoy in it's NATO role.
Would this be done in an official way, eg the UN finally passing some sort of limited "No-Fly Zone" for Russian planes over Ukraine? Or might this be done in a more "stealthy" way - Train some Ukrainian Air force people in how to operate and AWACs system and then gift them a few planes so the Ukrainian Airforce can work it's way towards Air Superiority?
It seems like a potential morale problem to have Ukrainian Pilots fall out of the sky in F16's due to the lack of the support it would enjoy in it's NATO role.
Speaking about air superiority, what do the military enthusiasts in here think about the delivery of F-16s - is air superiority now realistic for Ukraine with those weapons and what would the implications be? Could that mean the end of the attrition war and if so, when would that be? Are we talking about half a year? A year? Or even longer?