Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

It's only a low percentage if the alternative is acceptable to the man with the finger on the button.

Putin's built a cult of personality and his entire foreign policy is predicated on the idea of the west hating Russia. If he pushes it, he either lives to be a legend or dies to be a martyr. It's the easy way out.

Rationality doesn't necessarily mean the other person will do the same thing as you would. It was just as irrational to attempt a land war against Ukraine when you're fighting with decrepit Soviet era tanks.

But I ultimately hope you're right. I personally don't think it's worth the gamble.

Does anyone know the actual process? Like I believe that there are all sorts of protocols to follow, most of which would certainly trigger warnings across the world that a nuke may be getting prepared for launch. I really, really hope that its not just a button with some casing over it, that someone can just open and push.
 
Until the next time he fancies a jolly out in Europe, safe in the knowledge that he’ll ultimately come out of it with what he wants. No, he needs to go I’m afraid. The appeasement party needs to end.
It wouldn't be appeasement. It would defeat that could be looked at as victory from a different angle.

Russia is encircled now. He has nowhere left to go in Europe.
 
What does he have to lose? He either wins Ukraine, or he's forcibly deposed by western forces and has his conspiracy theories proven right in the eyes of his supporters.
His life and the end of the world? If he were as mad as people said he wouldn’t be holding back in Kiev, he would have flattened the City and announced a new government or else this is what your city gets. The fact he’s holding back tells me it’s propaganda. You can’t have a cool, calm leader threatening nukes since no sane man will ever use them. He has to be mad to make it stick and a man who engineered Brexit and Trump as president to destabilise the world before his attempt is just too calculating for any of this to be true.
Losing in Ukrainian doesn’t mean he has to destroy the world. If he were that mad he wouldn’t give a damn about NATO and just threaten nukes for the missile on his doorstep problem anyway imo
 
One has to wonder if the Oligarchs secretly approached the US/EU and offered to 'get rid' of Putin (or better, hand him over) in return for the sanctions being lifted. Would you go for it?

If conditions were met and ongoing monitoring yes of course I would but I am not even president of my local social club let alone the USA
 


didn’t know if this was already posted and not sure if it should go in Portuguese football thread. Nice moment from Benfica and the close in of Yaremchuk tearing up got to me.

Wow, I think it would have been hard to keep calm and focused after that. You could obviously see how much it meant to him
 
It wouldn't be appeasement. It would defeat that could be looked at as victory from a different angle.

Russia is encircled now. He has nowhere left to go in Europe.

Giving him territory, which is ultimately what he would want, would absolutely be appeasement.
 
Does anyone know the actual process? Like I believe that there are all sorts of protocols to follow, most of which would certainly trigger warnings across the world that a nuke may be getting prepared for launch. I really, really hope that its not just a button with some casing over it, that someone can just open and push.
He sends the order to the general staff. They carry it out. Its similar to US.
 
Ffs, his own bloody life. The paranoic idiot sits 10 meters away from his ministers and is shit scared of catching covid. The bunker grandpa wants to live so much and it is clear to see. I expect NATO pilots to get involved before the end of the week, if bombing intensifies
Life in disgrace or death in glory (glory as seen by the people who will eventually make a martyr out of him).

History has been full of people willing to go down with the ship.
 
It wouldn't be appeasement. It would defeat that could be looked at as victory from a different angle.

Russia is encircled now. He has nowhere left to go in Europe.

Isn't this pretty much what Chamberlain did with The Sudetenland? It didn't end well.
 
Until the next time he fancies a jolly out in Europe, safe in the knowledge that he’ll ultimately come out of it with what he wants. No, he needs to go I’m afraid. The appeasement party needs to end.

I think so as well, he needs to go
 
Life in disgrace or death in glory (glory as seen by the people who will eventually make a martyr out of him).

History has been full of people willing to go down with the ship.
Yes, but the cnut seems to be so fecking afraid of dying. Zelenskyy is the one I am absolutely sure would have given his life to save another. However, the botox face is the opposite. He does not care about anybody bar himsrlf.
 
His life and the end of the world? If he were as mad as people said he wouldn’t be holding back in Kiev, he would have flattened the City and announced a new government or else this is what your city gets. The fact he’s holding back tells me it’s propaganda. You can’t have a cool, calm leader threatening nukes since no sane man will ever use them. He has to be mad to make it stick and a man who engineered Brexit and Trump as president to destabilise the world before his attempt is just too calculating for any of this to be true.
Losing in Ukrainian doesn’t mean he has to destroy the world. If he were that mad he wouldn’t give a damn about NATO and just threaten nukes for the missile on his doorstep problem anyway imo

He aint the biggest in the class so he is acting like that nutter of the class that no one wants to mess with. All bluff and brinkmanship to increase negotiation ability. However wounded animal cornered is dangerous, have to make it look like he has savesbface in some way to give him a way out and de escalate. The higher the stakes he plays, he can’t then just fold, he has to be give. something that makes him look om to his people.

He is about self preservation his life expectancy will drop as soon as no longer jn charge
 
have you guys seen the video of the father and son executed on the side of the road , these orcs deserve a special place in hell
 
I think so as well, he needs to go
He does. But one thing at a time. Unless you can guarantee he won't order a strike, the priority should be to get him to end the invasion first. Even if that means giving him a mini-PR victory in order to get there.
 
For all those saying he doesn't give a shit if he dies or not, well he certainly has a Covid fear...I think Nuclear war somehow beats that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ated-president-spends-time-stewing-fears.html

I know dailymail but this line -

Putin reportedly only had contact with his inner circle during the pandemic, but even they were asked to present faecal samples several times a week to check for infection and, in some cases, asked to isolate for two weeks before face-to-face meeting.

Man probably has covid brain fog and/or paranoid being in a bunker trying not to die from it.
 
Yes, but the cnut seems to be so fecking afraid of dying. Zelenskyy is the one I am absolutely sure would have given his life to save another. However, the botox face is the opposite. He does not care about anybody bar himsrlf.
That's a hell of a gamble to take when the cost is potentially 100,000s of lives.
 
He wouldn't get any territory.

I don’t really know what you’re suggesting then. It sounded like you wanted the allies to cut a deal with him, but the only he can survive this domestically is if he comes out with Ukrainian land.
 
I don’t really know what you’re suggesting then. It sounded like you wanted the allies to cut a deal with him, but the only he can survive this domestically is if he comes out with Ukrainian land.
That would be appeasement. You're the only one suggesting that.
 
Article seems to be gone. Without going into whether its even right to be “allowed” to go and fight - could this be cover to send in special ops? Ironically very similar to Wagner Group soldiers, just need to call them volunteers and send them over the Polish border.
There’s little doubt in my mind we have special ops going on in Ukraine.
 
Life in disgrace or death in glory (glory as seen by the people who will eventually make a martyr out of him).

History has been full of people willing to go down with the ship.

There will be no fecker left if he nukes anyone so he would never be a martyr.
 
Article seems to be gone. Without going into whether its even right to be “allowed” to go and fight - could this be cover to send in special ops? Ironically very similar to Wagner Group soldiers, just need to call them volunteers and send them over the Polish border.
I was thinking the same thing but not necessarily to fight Russian regulars, but precisely these 'assasin squads' hunting Zelenskiy in Kyiv.
 
Putin's fear of death actually explains most of his actions. He desires immortality through deeds. Land grabbed will endure a lot longer than any upsurge in economy etc. He wants to leave a mark for the ages.
 

If Putin is encircling Kiev for a siege, and seeing Kiev is furthest west bound he's gone in, wouldn't that leave his western Kiev flank exposed to ambush from additional support that keeps coming in from the Poland? Also if supplies are cut off from west for entry into Kiev, Im sure some more drone's will be donated with command centre set up in Lviv.
 
He’s not using Nukes, that’s for sure. All of this Putin is crazy nonsense is propaganda lapped up for some reason. He has spent years laying the groundwork for this. It’s not an act of madness.
it’s really about time we started looking past that bluff
Impossible to state that as a fact. While the risk may be low you can never predict what will happen under such circumstances we face today in particular with a lunatic being backed into a corner.