Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

That pipeline is a drop in the ocean now. Every day we move closer to a worldwide embago of everything to do with Russa.
 
So the Russians aren't opening their stock markets?
I'm assuming that's because they know it'll just tank and lower morale/confidence amongst the population?
 
We don't know what's going on precisely though, whether they are really turning away every single non-white person. As I said: I could see this coming from Poland or the EU and I could see why the Ukrainians would want to keep nationals of uninvolved countries in their country. Even if both would be quite cynical. But I have a hard time believing that everyone is just doing it for the sake of being racist.
I was just basing it off the idea that it was true. Hopefully it isn't because the situation is shite enough as it is.
 
No. A pipeline is worthless when there is no customer at the end of it. And that's what's happening, he isn't losing control over the pipeline, he is losing Germany as a customer.

There will always be a customer for oil and gas.

But on the topic of fuel, how are the Russians running out of fuel over and over - seems like a pretty basic thing if you're going to invade a country??
 
So the Russians aren't opening their stock markets?
I'm assuming that's because they know it'll just tank and lower morale/confidence amongst the population?

First they said it was closed on Monday, then both Mon and Tue, and now its closed all week.
 
Now is definitely not the time for bureaucracy and 'types of visas'...on top of that. If Ukraine has foreign nationals on student or work visas, they should really be getting them out and to safety ASAP. In an ideal world they'd be working with these countries embassies in Moldova and Poland to ensure them safe passage...as it happens in literally every other country in the world in a time of crisis.
How do you suppose Ukraine just gets everyone out? The whole country is at war and the infrastructure is on its knees.

It’s up to the individual embassies of citizens to make arrangements with the EU and Moldova to to take their citizens and assist their exit from Ukraine. It’s no good Ukraine allowing people to leave its border, unless people will subsequently be able to leave no man’s land and enter the EU or Moldova.
 
In principle they deserve protection. In reality, they are not standing for justice but simply using the justice system to enrich themselves and have the system favour the wealthy and corrupt. So I deplore it in principle and in reality they can go feck themselves.
It’s tough being a man of principles
That pipeline is a drop in the ocean now. Every day we move closer to a worldwide embago of everything to do with Russa.
Is there a definitive list of things now, it’s so hard to keep up with?
-petrochemicals companies (BP, Shell)
-Google, apple
-airlines
-freight companies
-banking
-media
Fully expect the weather to announce it’s no longer going to rain over Russia next
 
So there is a ban on calling Putin “Putin”? He’s obviously not on the same scale but I don’t get the reason for the automatic name change.
Name-calling doesn't usually lead to constructive discussion which is the point of this thread.
 
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He should challenge them to a game of hockey to settle matters. He's really good:



Can we Canadians send this guy to face him? The Kitchener-born boy is 57 years old right now and was known to always go after the other team's best players.

 
If anything, it'll strengthen Russia's resolve to control the land based pipeline going through Ukraine.

Cutting off NS2 has made the invasion even more crucial to Putin, especially given the state of the economy.

At this point, it's annex or bust.

That pipeline you're talking about is the original Nord stream though?! With Germany at the end of it, who just killed NS2 and are building up their infrastructure to buy from other countries via the sea, as well as exploring options to move away from gas in general.
 
Name-calling doesn't usually lead to constructive discussion which is the point of this thread.

OK, I hadn’t used the phrase myself untiI I saw the ban and just used cyrillic text to be a dick. Anyway, he’s more Nikolai I than you know who: ageing autocrat, diplomatically isolated, army humiliated and (hopefully) heading for a fall.
 
There will always be a customer for oil and gas.
Sure, but the thing with a pipeline is, you can't just deliver to everyone, you can only deliver to those who are sitting at the end of it. If they don't want to use it anymore, the pipeline is worthless.
 
So the Russians aren't opening their stock markets?
I'm assuming that's because they know it'll just tank and lower morale/confidence amongst the population?
Moscow Stock Market
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Modern day open source intel is amazing, guy flying a drone over a battle and recording the whole thing. Non graphic.
 
Russia have just stopped the broadcast of our only relatively opposition-leaning radio station (Echo Moscow) & also restricted access to its website.
Dozhd', the only independent news TV channel that hadn't been allowed to broadcast TV for years now, & switched to their website and YouTube also had their website blocked.

Roskomnadzor had issued a warning to Wikipedia, threatening to block it, because of the article about this war.

It's disgusting. Really sad for the people at home seeking for answers.
 
It’s tough being a man of principles

Is there a definitive list of things now, it’s so hard to keep up with?
-petrochemicals companies (BP, Shell)
-Google, apple
-airlines
-freight companies
-banking
-media
Fully expect the weather to announce it’s no longer going to rain over Russia next

BMW announced they would halt production and exports for Russia, too. Though I'm not sure how much of a dent luxury cars will make.
 
How can the average Russian go about their daily business at this point.


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That pipeline you're talking about is the original Nord stream though?! With Germany at the end of it, who just killed NS2 and are building up their infrastructure to buy from other countries via the sea, as well as exploring options to move away from gas in general.
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I'm talking about Soyuz and Brotherhood.

At the moment, you're right that there won't be any European buyers because of sanctions. But come winter time (assuming major military operations in Ukraine are over) I think we'll see the EU backing down eventually.

Spare US and Qatari LNG capacity is very limited. They'd have to break existing contracts in order to supply Europe with all its energy needs. That'll be when that famous 'Western hypocrisy' could come back into play. Aiming for this is now Russia's last remaining gambit.
 
No. A pipeline is worthless when there is no customer at the end of it. And that's what's happening, he isn't losing control over the pipeline, he is losing Germany as a customer.

Exactly. Even if he annexed the gas fields of Ukraine, it's not like diamonds where he can smuggle out of the conflict areas easily. Transporting gas is very complex via pipes or liquidified. And who to?
 
If for whatever reason Putin gets outed, there needs to be a massive effort by the West to build Russia back up - so long as they are prepared to abandon authoritarianism and censorship.

In such an eventuality, I (as the EU, let’s say) would be saying that we would be prepared to lift all sanctions, but that Russia would need to cease media censorship and agree to independently ratified and observed elections (as well as withdrawing from Ukraine obviously, if they we’re still there)
 
If for whatever reason Putin gets outed, there needs to be a massive effort by the West to build Russia back up - so long as they are prepared to abandon authoritarianism and censorship.

In such an eventuality, I (as the EU, let’s say) would be saying that we would be prepared to lift all sanctions, but that Russia would need to cease media censorship and agree to independently ratified and observed elections (as well as withdrawing from Ukraine obviously, if they we’re still there)
Honestly, this sounds like a pipe dream.
 
Honestly, this sounds like a pipe dream.

True, very much a best case scenario, based on the assumption that the international economic response is utterly crippling Russia to the point where they can’t just carry on as is.
 
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I'm talking about Soyuz and Brotherhood.

At the moment, you're right that there won't be any European buyers because of sanctions. But come winter time (assuming major military operations in Ukraine are over) I think we'll see the EU backing down eventually.

Spare US and Qatari LNG capacity is very limited. They'd have to break existing contracts in order to supply Europe with all its energy needs. That'll be when that famous 'Western hypocrisy' could come back into play. Aiming for this is now Russia's last remaining gambit.

I have no deeper understanding of the current state of the energy market and I assume that the EU don't intend to cut off Russian gas entirely, even after this. But I find it hard to imagine that the West will have to capitulate to Russian gas.
 
How do you suppose Ukraine just gets everyone out? The whole country is at war and the infrastructure is on its knees.

It’s up to the individual embassies of citizens to make arrangements with the EU and Moldova to to take their citizens and assist their exit from Ukraine. It’s no good Ukraine allowing people to leave its border, unless people will subsequently be able to leave no man’s land and enter the EU or Moldova.
How can embassies make arrangements if Ukraine isn’t letting people leave the country?

Edit: just to add the Nigerian embassy has made arrangements with Warsaw to charter flights for their students who managed to get into Poland.
 
If for whatever reason Putin gets outed, there needs to be a massive effort by the West to build Russia back up - so long as they are prepared to abandon authoritarianism and censorship.

In such an eventuality, I (as the EU, let’s say) would be saying that we would be prepared to lift all sanctions, but that Russia would need to cease media censorship and agree to independently ratified and observed elections (as well as withdrawing from Ukraine obviously, if they we’re still there)

I fear Putin will destroy Ukraine, and attack another country, before any possibility of him being outsed happens.
 
How can the average Russian go about their daily business at this point.


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They will be fine. When they get to the point of selling thier kidneys and children to feed their families, then its bad (i.e. Afghanistan at the moment).