Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[Wibble]

I've moved over 30 posts to the Geopolitica thread. The majority of which were posted 8n this thread after GB and I requested people not to. Please don't make us start thread banning people.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Apparently appearing gullible and incompetent is all part of a big masterplan on his part.

I just think he's a narcissist who fancies himself in the messiah role of the conflict

 

[General_Elegancia]

Apparently appearing gullible and incompetent is all part of a big masterplan on his part.

I'm not surprise that he hasn't been loved by French people that much. As I have followed him for a while, I see this guy usually makes a lot of wrong decisions and sometimes a bit dumbass too.

 

[huyn]

I'm not surprise that he hasn't been loved by French people that much. As I have followed him for a while, I see this guy usually makes a lot of wrong decisions and sometimes a bit dumbass too.

Care to elaborate?

 

[VorZakone]

Apparently appearing gullible and incompetent is all part of a big masterplan on his part.

I mean...surely it's admirable that Macron wants to help out diplomatically? It is what it is, the Russians will betray promises, but that's hardly Macrons fault, no?

 

[11101]

I mean...surely it's admirable that Macron wants to help out diplomatically? It is what it is, the Russians will betray promises, but that's hardly Macrons fault, no?

Every major country has diplomatic lines open to Russia. Macron just keeps telling everybody about his.

 

[TheLiverBird]

I think the pressure of applying a NFZ

The potential move for a NATO Country in Poland, providing airfields and aircraft for the Ukrainians air defence

Is all leading us very very close to potential motions being put in place which will set off scenarios that cannot be reversed leading to a much more heavy involvement militarily from NATO further down the line.

 

[TMDaines]

 

[Dans]

Seems madvlad has serious form:

The mass killer madvlad

I have to come back to this and insist that this is a MUST read.

 

[GazTheLegend]

I'm curious how complicit the Russian Generals and below are in all this. The guys loading and firing the artillery will not know what is at the end of the coordinates they are given. Do the commanders know the road they're told to attack has been designated as an evacuation route? How far down the chain does the evil stretch?

The Ukrainians killed one of them, and one of the Russian General's sons also died yesterday. Unfortunately/ fortunately, one of the three men that hold the keys to nuclear Armageddon

 

[Zehner]

Another incredible photo:

Heartbreaking really

 

[Zlatattack]

Ok. Just when you said the UK has voted against stopping accepting oil and gas from Russia, I thought there was some formal vote I'd not heard of (not a tweet by The Guardian)

i got mixed up between two different tweets. I'm morbidly obsessed with the news atm.

 

[sglowrider]

Putin’s power: Can anyone stop the Russian president?

 

[hellhunter]

Neutral, they say

 

[sglowrider]

War in Ukraine: how far will Putin go? | The Economist

 

[luck&neat]

Heartbreaking really

It really is.

 

[GlastonSpur]

First of all, even the original thread is very speculative to say the least (including misquoting the only direct quote that he includes). It’s incredibly hard to properly reconstruct what was happening at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War (Hitler’s invasion of Russia), as all sources are extremely biased towards themselves, but Galeev’s version is extremely far-fetched.

As for Putin, we’ll never know. He doesn’t have a smartphone or a direct internet access (willingly), so he’s extremely reliant on the rigid chain that updates him with information, but I doubt that anyone would dare to significantly alter the real numbers/situation — if anything, lying to Putin has to be scarier than telling him disappointing truth. Obviously all of the info would be slightly altered to fit the narrative better, but I doubt that it would be completely altered. And you have to understand that the guys that supply Putin with info (FSB & FSS) aren’t military, so Putin’s anger won’t be directed at them.

As the apparent FSB informant said, they were only bullshitting on the potential projections of a future war as no one thought that it was a realistic perspective — so they’ve focused their analysis on different scenarios. Now, when the war is in action, it’s a different point.

Why would he not want direct internet access? And where does the information that he doesn't have direct internet access come from?

 

[Rightnr]

Neutral, they say

No surprises here. This should be blasted on Western news channels to once and for all remove any doubt where China stands with regard to its ambitions.

 

[TMDaines]

I’m so glad we are not having to get relatives out in a hurry. It’s our friends who we cannot help at all with a place to live, some community, that is really embittering.

 

[Siorac]

Why would he not want direct internet access? And where does the information that he doesn't have direct internet access come from?

I think we should be grateful if he really doesn't have direct internet access. If he were to spend an hour on Twitter, he might just decide that nuclear annihilation is the best way after all.

 

[Zehner]

As for Putin, we’ll never know. He doesn’t have a smartphone or a direct internet access (willingly), so he’s extremely reliant on the rigid chain that updates him with information, but I doubt that anyone would dare to significantly alter the real numbers/situation — if anything, lying to Putin has to be scarier than telling him disappointing truth. Obviously all of the info would be slightly altered to fit the narrative better, but I doubt that it would be completely altered. And you have to understand that the guys that supply Putin with info (FSB & FSS) aren’t military, so Putin’s anger won’t be directed at them.

As the apparent FSB informant said, they were only bullshitting on the potential projections of a future war as no one thought that it was a realistic perspective — so they’ve focused their analysis on different scenarios. Now, when the war is in action, it’s a different point.

You don't need to consciously alter the reality. It is human nature to "soften" things when you know the one you're talking to won't take it well for whatever reason. Nobody is as straight forward when talking to somebody as he is talking about somebody. Can only imagine how it must be to do so when the other one is as intimidating as Putin and you know what's at risk if you fall out of failure. Especially when there's a really fine line between being a honest advisor who says things as they are and being a traitor who's always against the decisions made by the supreme leader.

 

[11101]

No surprises here. This should be blasted on Western news channels to once and for all remove any doubt where China stands with regard to its ambitions.

Make no mistake China has all the imperialist ambitions of Britain, US, Romans and Greeks rolled into one. They're sitting and watching right now but whether it's in 10 years or 50 years they will be in Taiwan and that will only be the start.

 

[Simbo]

Neutral, they say

That's quite a claim, is there anything to back it up?

 

[Sarni]

I think the pressure of applying a NFZ

The potential move for a NATO Country in Poland, providing airfields and aircraft for the Ukrainians air defence

Is all leading us very very close to potential motions being put in place which will set off scenarios that cannot be reversed leading to a much more heavy involvement militarily from NATO further down the line.

There will be no NFZ and Poland will not provide them with airfields. We may give them our aircrafts but is that really that much different from the weapons that have been provided so far?

 

[TMDaines]

i got mixed up between two different tweets. I'm morbidly obsessed with the news atm.

Given how many completely unprecedented and unexpected things we have seen in recent weeks, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the US, UK and the EU/EEA/NATO countries all phase Russian oil and gas out very, very quickly, despite the pain it will cause and the question of whether governments will have to further subsidise the energy bills of their citizens. The foreseeable period isn't going to be a pleasant time for anyone.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Seems madvlad has serious form:

The mass killer madvlad

I have to come back to this and insist that this is a MUST read.

Putin was a KGB thug. He's most likely tortured and murdered a few with his own hands.

 

[The Firestarter]

Putin was a KGB thug. He's most likely tortured and murdered a few with his own hands.

He doesnt seem as a hands on guy.

 

[DJ Jeff]

Putin was a KGB thug. He's most likely tortured and murdered a few with his own hands.

I think he was more a sigint guy so he was probably giving locations of guys to be tortured and murdered

 

[FireballXL5]

I’m so glad we are not having to get relatives out in a hurry. It’s our friends who we cannot help at all with a place to live, some community, that is really embittering.

Leading the way.

 

[BlackShark_80]

 

[Raoul]

CNN's Fareed Zakaria Rejects Idea Of 'White Double Standard' In Ukraine Coverage



Usually agree with Fareed, but he is wrong here

Both the host of the podcast and Fareed are correct imo. You can have a nuanced view that Ukraine is more important because Russia has the biggest stockpile of nukes, a madman in charge, and the danger of a WW spreading into Europe, while also holding a view that non-Europeans have been discriminated against at border checkpoints and elsewhere. Neither of the views are contradictory to one another.

 

[Dans]

He doesnt seem as a hands on guy.

Can't imagine that either - seems a weedy type in all honesty.

What he is though is a thoroughly nasty bastard who has no conscience at all. A psychopath.

 

[hellhunter]

 

[Mihai]

Seems madvlad has serious form:

The mass killer madvlad

I have to come back to this and insist that this is a MUST read.

Very good read, thank you for posting it.

 

[11101]

That screams of soldiers that are badly trained, scared and unprepared, and shooting at anything that moves. It ties in with everything else we've seen so far. There is no chance they were able to identify that target before firing at it.

 

[RedSky]

Could be a car with children in there and they just don't give a feck. Disgrace. RIP to them both.

 

[Moby]

Terrible.

 

[ShoePolish]

Neutral, they say

Wouldn't be surprised, if they're funding Russia so that they can keep going too. Feel like west should be focusing their efforts on talking to China, as that's the only corner Russia can run to.

 

[The Corinthian]

This is so sad. RIP.

 

[Maticmaker]

I'm not talking about how it's presented to the Russian people,

Of course, but I was saying how he (Putin) does present it to the Russian people. Lets be honest if the Russian people wanted freedom and democracy they would have chosen it, like Ukraine has. Although there are probably lots of people in Russia who would welcome democracy, there must still be a significant number of the Russian population that does not want democracy, otherwise Putin would not be in power, they have been told to fear the West (in some cases with a certain amount of justification) and Putin plays to that fear.