US Army veteran fighting in Ukraine has been KIA
@stefan92 is this as embarassing as it reads for us or is there something behind this demand by Scholz?
I don't think it's embarassing at all. Scholz wanted a unified NATO approach to providing (western) tanks and not stand alone in that regard. Some of those who apparently were ready to send numbers actually had to admit that they can't (Spain), those who actually have large usable fleets of Leopards spend more time threatening each other than caring about Ukraine (Greece, Turkey, regards to my very special Greek friend @frostbite ), so without the US there would have been very little "symbolic unity" in this question.@stefan92 is this as embarassing as it reads for us or is there something behind this demand by Scholz?
Yeah, it is not the sound one wants to hear because it will evoke war.I've heard this sound regularly in 1991 and now whenever they're testing the sirens and every time it sends shivers down my spine still.
Oh absolutely, they should hear it every morning.Yeah, it is not the sound one wants to hear because it will evoke war.
Still, all Russian diplomats had to hear that sound so they understand a little about how it feels. I can't even imagine how people enduring that sound on a very regular basis must feel right now.
I don't think it's embarassing at all. Scholz wanted a unified NATO approach to providing (western) tanks and not stand alone in that regard. Some of those who apparently were ready to send numbers actually had to admit that they can't (Spain), those who actually have large usable fleets of Leopards spend more time threatening each other than caring about Ukraine (Greece, Turkey, regards to my very special Greek friend @frostbite ), so without the US there would have been very little "symbolic unity" in this question.
There also is a bit of industry politics here, if the US send their newly produced Abrams to Ukraine they can't replace the Leopard fleets of other European countries, those still have a reason to buy new Leopard tanks as the delivery timeline will be similar (like Norway just did).
And at last I think it is never embarassing if you can force the US to do something it doesn't want to.
The problem is the timing, the Abrams won't arrive this year, the Leopards will.Surely this is an ‘end justifies the means’ scenario. And I wouldn’t be so sure that those Abrams are completely useless. They may not fight in the Donbas but having a few in position near Odessa, Transnistria, and the northern approaches to Kiev allows other tanks to move elsewhere. Also, it probably provides a good training opportunity for those Ukrainian troops on rotation from the front lines.
Surely this is an ‘end justifies the means’ scenario. And I wouldn’t be so sure that those Abrams are completely useless. They may not fight in the Donbas but having a few in position near Odessa, Transnistria, and the northern approaches to Kiev allows other tanks to move elsewhere. Also, it probably provides a good training opportunity for those Ukrainian troops on rotation from the front lines.
Trump's emotionally scarred coke head son is upset the US is supporting the nation that wouldn't help his dad dig up dirt on his political opponent during the 2020 campaign.
Trump's emotionally scarred coke head son is upset the US is supporting the nation that wouldn't help his dad dig up dirt on his political opponent during the 2020 campaign.
Pretty sure Odesa won't need them since the Russians are already not making any progress on the actual battlefronts in the east. Therefore, the tanks will be best deployed there to help push them back.
It will depend on the Ukrainian battle plans to take Crimea back, but some of the tanks would be needed if part of that plan demands securing the coastal areas (of which Odesa is a part) as the UA advances.
Great thread on new Russian tactics. Ditching the BTG model for a smaller concept.
Booby traps and having them pre-sighted for an artillery counter strike… very crafty by the Ukrainians.I have to be honest, I don't necessarily have the knowledge to fully understand the implications of those changes, and how effectively they can actually be implemented, but the part about no longer using enemy trenches is interesting. Booby trapping must be a relatively common tactic from the UA if it is part of a new instrument manual
Yep, he's a fun follow on Twitter.Loving me some Malcom Nance lately. He's refreshingly blunt.
I think the first time I heard about Bakhmut was like...late September or something?Bakhmut sounds like the worst offensive 'win' in modern war - I can't even remember when we first heard about it it was so long ago.
I certainly can't remember such a pathetic win in modern war.Bakhmut sounds like the worst offensive 'win' in modern war - I can't even remember when we first heard about it it was so long ago.