SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

That's two people now who have referenced Oct in relation to Ireland.

Am I missing something? From what I've seen the date for the final stage is 10th Aug.


They will keep to the plan unless cases spike and if so they'll revert back to the previous stage.

Based on what the government have said there won't be any considerations beyond saving lives and nothing will be fast-tracked.

Schools and colleges won't open until the end of September or early October. Maybe that's what they're on about.
 
That's two people now who have referenced Oct in relation to Ireland.

Am I missing something? From what I've seen the date for the final stage is 10th Aug.

They will keep to the plan unless cases spike and if so they'll revert back to the previous stage.

Based on what the government have said there won't be any considerations beyond saving lives and nothing will be fast-tracked.

It will be interesting to see what they do with the pubs. The pubs will go broke if they are kept closed too long.

But then on the other hand, if you open them up, they would be a real beehive for infections.
 
They keep saying that there's weak evidence that they help.

Government is slowly changing its tune now, you had Johnson going on about them yesterday so think it will be essential for June when lockdown will likely be lifted.
 
While on the one hand that Ireland roap map looks logical, on the other hand, the fact they are hoping to open up work and business fully by October basically means that by next summer Ireland is going to be hitting the third-world-European ranks alongside the likes of Moldova and such.

If this is actually the plans being set out by developed European countries (it isn't, of course - see every other country exiting lockdown as an example) who have an in-context tiny amount of covid-19 deaths, goodbye Europe.

Luckily, this is worst-case-scenario nonsense that will be fast-tracked by a month or two at each stage as it becomes clear that there's no other way but to do so.

True. Osterholm said that shutting down the economy would be worse than the actual virus.

His solution was to "thread the rope through the needle." I think what he implied by this is to do what South Korea is doing. Basically you have infections and possibly spikes but you try to control them as best as possible.
 
Government is slowly changing its tune now, you had Johnson going on about them yesterday so think it will be essential for June when lockdown will likely be lifted.
Whitty needs to make his mind up. There's some talk that wearing them might actually be *worse* for the wearer as they harbour germs. Think I'll give them a miss, like Trump Pence
 
While on the one hand that Ireland roap map looks logical, on the other hand, the fact they are hoping to open up work and business fully by October basically means that by next summer Ireland is going to be hitting the third-world-European ranks alongside the likes of Moldova and such.
If this is actually the plans being set out by developed European countries (it isn't, of course - see every other country exiting lockdown as an example) who have an in-context tiny amount of covid-19 deaths, goodbye Europe.

Luckily, this is worst-case-scenario nonsense that will be fast-tracked by a month or two at each stage as it becomes clear that there's no other way but to do so.

Complete and utter horse-shit.

EDIT: Probably could have bolded your entire post. It’s drivel. All of it.
 
It will be interesting to see what they do with the pubs. The pubs will go broke if they are kept closed too long.

But then on the other hand, if you open them up, they would be a real beehive for infections.
Open them but make it clear that social distancing still applies. Limit numbers in there, limit number of drinks, no bar - drinks ordered at table, have to book a table and, at the end of the day, personal responsibility
 
Whitty needs to make his mind up. There's some talk that wearing them might actually be *worse* for the wearer as they harbour germs. Think I'll give them a miss, like Trump Pence
I would have imagined that doing the opposite of what those two numpties are doing would be the most sensible way to go.
 
Open them but make it clear that social distancing still applies. Limit numbers in there, limit number of drinks, no bar - drinks ordered at table, have to book a table and, at the end of the day, personal responsibility

Yea but if this is spreading by aerosols, just by being in the pub is going to be risky.

Maybe use the beer gardens outside.

Personally i dont think this road map will go to plan. We will see another spike and then i am unsure what the government will do because they cannot shut down the economy for too long.

Hopefully that vaccine in Oxford works or some other drug works wonders.
 
Open them but make it clear that social distancing still applies. Limit numbers in there, limit number of drinks, no bar - drinks ordered at table, have to book a table and, at the end of the day, personal responsibility
These measures kills most pubs anyway. A pub owner was on the radio a few weeks ago saying their pub would be at 1/8 capacity by following social distancing.
Imagine going out for a pint on your own and taking up a table by yourself with everyone 6 feet away. You may as well sit at home. You cant even join up with a mate to sit with you
 
These measures kills most pubs anyway. A pub owner was on the radio a few weeks ago saying their pub would be at 1/8 capacity by following social distancing.
Imagine going out for a pint on your own and taking up a table by yourself with everyone 6 feet away. You may as well sit at home. You cant even join up with a mate to sit with you
I think this sort of thing will be relaxed soon.
 
Open them but make it clear that social distancing still applies. Limit numbers in there, limit number of drinks, no bar - drinks ordered at table, have to book a table and, at the end of the day, personal responsibility

I've been in many city and town centre pubs at 1-2pm on a weekday having a later lunch with 5-6 people sat close by in a seating area of 30-40. In those times of the day most that aren't a Nandos or Wetherspoons could comfortably implement a table service at least imo. The reality is all you do is a beer order at the table when you walk in and sit down.

There is actually a pub in Nottingham city centre called Squares which has been doing table service for years and is reasonably busy whenever I'm visiting there.

The problem would obviously be Friday and Saturday evenings but then that whole culture is going to have to be put on hold for 12 months as impossible to manage in the present climate so I don't know how many pubs could survive with a business model like that, plenty of those tiny street corner boozers don't bother with food.

Also many pubs rely on a football/sports crowd so that likely won't be an option for next few months and will probably be the same discouragement of showing games as was in early March if people can remember the advice that far back.
 
These measures kills most pubs anyway. A pub owner was on the radio a few weeks ago saying their pub would be at 1/8 capacity by following social distancing.
Imagine going out for a pint on your own and taking up a table by yourself with everyone 6 feet away. You may as well sit at home. You cant even join up with a mate to sit with you

Yeah I think pubs are fecked to be honest with people being scared and the social distancing aspect that most pubs cannot adhere to apart from the big chains like Wetherspoons.


What do you guys think that will be the other big industries that will be affected most by the Coronavirus?
 
Yea but if this is spreading by aerosols, just by being in the pub is going to be risky.

Maybe use the beer gardens outside.

Personally i dont think this road map will go to plan. We will see another spike and then i am unsure what the government will do because they cannot shut down the economy for too long.

Hopefully that vaccine in Oxford works or some other drug works wonders.
Its doomed to fail. As soon as the Labour leader asked for Boris to treat the nation as adults and explain the process going forward, I knew FG would wouldnt be slow to jump on the idea.
Its a bluff. We arent that forward thinking and admit we wsit for results of other countries actions before taking our own.
 
Yeah I think pubs are fecked to be honest with people being scared and the social distancing aspect that most pubs cannot adhere to apart from the big chains like Wetherspoons.


What do you guys think that will be the other big industries that will be affected most by the Coronavirus?

Would not go near a barber shop for two years. Wont be getting on a plane for two years either. Or public transport.

Reading today that the amount of people buying cars has decreased by 90 something percent. In two months time they will be throwing deals at people.
 
Its doomed to fail. As soon as the Labour leader asked for Boris to treat the nation as adults and explain the process going forward, I knew FG would wouldnt be slow to jump on the idea.
Its a bluff. We arent that forward thinking and admit we wsit for results of other countries actions before taking our own.

The new road map plan?
 
Yeah I think pubs are fecked to be honest with people being scared and the social distancing aspect that most pubs cannot adhere to apart from the big chains like Wetherspoons.


What do you guys think that will be the other big industries that will be affected most by the Coronavirus?
They will have to do something, our whole culture as a country is built around pubs. No Government wants to be the one that let that die.
 
Would not go near a barber shop for two years. Wont be getting on a plane for two years either. Or public transport.

Reading today that the amount of people buying cars has decreased by 90 something percent. In two months time they will be throwing deals at people.

Good call on barbers. A lot of people have been having their partners cut/shave their nut and with the close contact that comes with it also.

Surely gym memberships will fall with everyone using the same equipment unless you have staff sanitising it after every use.

Cruise ships and Airlines are surely fecked for the foreseeable as hundreds/thousands in a small space for hours/days upon end is surely unacceptable.

Restaurants that do buffets would surely be hit hard but on the other hand there will be more deliveries and table service if they can accommodate social distancing.
 
Good call on barbers. A lot of people have been having their partners cut/shave their nut and with the close contact that comes with it also.

Surely gym memberships will fall with everyone using the same equipment unless you have staff sanitising it after every use.

Cruise ships and Airlines are surely fecked for the foreseeable as hundreds/thousands in a small space for hours/days upon end is surely unacceptable.

Restaurants that do buffets would surely be hit hard but on the other hand there will be more deliveries and table service if they can accommodate social distancing.

Luckily, i have my own hair clippers and just shave it off once every two months. I was looking for the fun of it on Argos at hair clippers and coincidentally they are all out of stock. That was the Irish Argos so i assume the Uk Argos is the same.

Yea i agree about gyms. With people breathing so heavily, it would be madness to go into one.

Michael O leary was saying he expects flights to resume in June/july. I think the numbers will be down significantly though. I dont think going on a three hour flight to alicante would be wise either. So that and like you say the cruise ships will take a hit.

How long do you think this will last? I think till perhaps Feburary or March next year we are with this. Some experts think it will be longer.
 
Yeah I think pubs are fecked to be honest with people being scared and the social distancing aspect that most pubs cannot adhere to apart from the big chains like Wetherspoons.


What do you guys think that will be the other big industries that will be affected most by the Coronavirus?

I think you’re underestimating the stupidity of a large amount of the British public. Just look at the Friday Boris gave us all advance warning.

There are pubs open now secretly, and as soon as they all open, a lot of people will flock to them.
 
Tattoo shops have to be very worried, right now.

I would say the list would be long. Dentists in Ireland have lost 90% of work.

In times of crisis people start hoarding money, like a war for example, so they stop spending. But this is almost worst than war. People are afraid to go into another persons house.
 
Yep. I believe the phases are in good faith but the timetable hasnt a hope of being kept to.
Its something for the public to aim for, to have a finishing line in sight

I agree totally. For one i cannot see them policing everyone correctly. And two, i expect another spike come late July, early August.

I think as well at that point the government will just say "feck it; what can we do."

I mean what is it, 600,000 people out of work at the moment. The economy cannot sustain that.
 
I would say the list would be long. Dentists in Ireland have lost 90% of work.

In times of crisis people start hoarding money, like a war for example, so they stop spending. But this is almost worst than war. People are afraid to go into another persons house.
Good point. Even if we get very low levels of infections and deaths, people will still be very scared to start behaving as normal.
 
Its doomed to fail. As soon as the Labour leader asked for Boris to treat the nation as adults and explain the process going forward, I knew FG would wouldnt be slow to jump on the idea.
Its a bluff. We arent that forward thinking and admit we wsit for results of other countries actions before taking our own.


Hang on. We've done very well so far, and I don't see what's so wrong about learning from the experiences of other countries. Best practice is to analyse what has and hasn't worked for others in similar situations and to act accordingly.

We seem to have a logical plan and it's quite likely we'll have to take a backwards step here or there.
However, given each stage is set at three weeks then it's got that margin for error built in so we can gauge how the situation develops.

How you can say we've jumped on Boris's bandwagon when they've clearly been behind us on this thing at every stage is bizarre.
 
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Isn't it a problem having Johnson - whose entire public image is about positivity and optimism (read: mindless cheer-leading & jingoism) - in charge of a decision about ending the lockdown?

What could possibly go wrong?
 
Doesn't matter. Cummings's minions are spamming the Beeb comments so the narrative will be "shut up, they've done it because the numbers say so" now we'll move on and any reference to this failing in the future will be brushed off with some bullshit soundbite. Politicians aren't held to account for feck all nowadays, and they rarely were in the past

Sick and tired of how everyone reports it as well. They say the Government has met the target showing Matt Hancock saying it then inserting a brief mention about challenging the figures. The brain dead sheep will believe the figures have been met.
 
Honestly, these recent posts have been some of the most cringeworthy in the 800 pages so far. Can you just think of some of the implications of what you are suggesting and generate sustainable solutions for the inevitable wide-scale problems you would create? Even the Conservatives are at least far more aware of how interconnected the modern world is – and with great benefits for the vast majority.

Golden Blunder could well be a nickname for Trump and that’s exactly who you are channelling here.

Australia imposed 14 days hotel quarantine on every single international and interstate travellers and banned non-Australian residents/citizens. It worked really well - under 100 dead in total and now only a handful of new infections daily with community transmission almost eliminated (only 1 case the other day). Cost a fortune of course.

What GB suggested was spot on. And the irony he pointed out re Brexit and our total lack of consideration for enforcing them during a pandemic is also on point.
 
Sick and tired of how everyone reports it as well. They say the Government has met the target showing Matt Hancock saying it then inserting a brief mention about challenging the figures. The brain dead sheep will believe the figures have been met.
Yeah, they dumb down the challenging in the article and yet the commenters say "this is proof that the Beeb are Labour supporters" whit you on aboot ya dafties
 
Open them but make it clear that social distancing still applies. Limit numbers in there, limit number of drinks, no bar - drinks ordered at table, have to book a table and, at the end of the day, personal responsibility
And how do you stop drunks being drunks?