I agree with @11101 - Conte's widely-considered in Italy to have done a good job over the last few months. I realise the buck stops with Conte, but the families would be better to target local leaders on this one, as the regional government will have had most input.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It's a big deal for people who do live alone. My sister's in that situation, and it's been a really hard time for her. We'll be meeting up this weekend now.
“The latest data left upset me more than anything I can remember. We made decisions based on what we knew at the time, but some of those predictions were wrong. These decisions are hard to make. I am standing here apologising for what looks to be a bad decison, with hindsight”
I fcuking HATE Boris and his clan. But I could understand that kind of response.
But no. It’s the evade like a cheeky floppy haired cnut. He’s a garbage human.
Part of me imagines this has been introduced because some minor government official has been sneaking off for some horizontal jogging with an oxbridge intern and they want to take the sting out of the story rather than for the benefit of all the singletons out there.
I don't get this argument about reducing the distance from 2m to 1m. Has the virus suddenly become less energetic and can't make the extra metre leap anymore?
It's utter madness. I get that the 2m rule is destroying businesses but the alternative is that more people get the infection and then more people die. Hopefully we get to the point when the virus is diminished in the community to the point that we can reduce to 1m but it needs to be done when it's safe.
*sobs*
It's a scale of risk where two meters is more safe than one meter which is safer than a half meter etc. The fact we are still riddled with this disease and the R is still hovering just below 1 seems to be informing the scientists cautious approach with bringing this down and increasing the risk of infection at smaller distances.
WHO advice?
The 2m thing is based on research in a lab. Which doesn’t always translate to real life.
Mind you, as anyone who has ever felt a tiny bit of saliva land on their face when talking to another person will know, standing 1m away from someone gives you very little protection.
Mind you, as anyone who has ever felt a tiny bit of saliva land on their face when talking to another person will know, standing 1m away from someone gives you very little protection.
There are very few things in the world more grotesque than that feeling.
Even worse when you accidentally spit when talking and spray someone's face. It's one of those moments where you want the ground to open up and swallow you
Off topic, but there is a Norwegian comedian who claimed he had perfected this. That he did it all the time when he talked with poeple he did not like.
He claimed it was basicly like a "spit someone in the face free card" as the person who get sprayed rearly say anything.
Came across an article about this just yesterday: https://elemental.medium.com/how-your-brain-prevents-you-from-getting-sick-201d8263344
Edit: Well, not exactly, but it's about why the primitive part of our brains find it disgusting
I wonder if he'll allow his supporters to attend his rallies without masks, and if he himself will be wearing a mask as he stands amidst the crowd spouting vile BS.
It's all probabilities and statistics really. Reduce the distance, and the risk of infecting someone rises slightly (especially if you're not wearing a mask and you're face to face) even outdoors and it'll help push the R number up. Indoors, well not many of us have been in those kind of close proximity situations for the last three months if we could possibly avoid it, and yet the R rate still didn't drop that far below 1.
If the number of people infected are low enough, and other measures are working to keep R below 1, you can risk a little jump in R from changing the distance. The thing is, you have to have infection numbers under control, speedy testing/results, and an effective track and trace process in place to keep making these changes without sending you back down the rising cases track. In other words - not right now
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I think we all know what masks they'll be wearing.
Its a cult right? If the dear leader says, masks are for pussies, then they will go bare.
The tragic problem is, with no businesses there's no economy, with no economy there's no money to arm the NHS with the resources required to fight the virus and save the very same lives plus excess.
It's not economy Vs life, it's life Vs life.
Alarming rise in virus cases as states roll back lockdowns
https://apnews.com/feb4c26d9364497cf82ee7c0c1b1b3d5
Truth is ,the world haven't got a clue how to deal with this.
https://apnews.com/feb4c26d9364497cf82ee7c0c1b1b3d5
Truth is ,the world haven't got a clue how to deal with this.
2 deaths reported from yesterday, getting there.
The only way through this is to ruthlessly destroy the virus as soon as possible. If you don't do that then this goes on and on and the economy is destroyed. Sadly the UK has done a half arsed job of doing this by trying to strike a balance between the economy and fighting the virus.
Where?
Where I work people who live with a person who is high risk are still on furlough and we have been back at work for about 6 weeks.
I did wonder when the numbers would show a rise again in the US. These protests, despite it having a very important message, have been less than ideal when it comes to counteracting the spread.
I think numbers will be scary there within a month.
The social distance is about reducing the possibility for droplets (presumably >5um) which are exhaled during a cough/sneeze, to make contact with the face/clothes of another individual.
If you increase the social distance, generally you reduce the risk. If you reduce the distance, the risk goes up a little. However, if you reduce the distance further still, the risk will go up significantly. It is difficult to characterise which distance is best to advise for social distancing (see below) and ultimately this leads to a discussion about whether 1m is sufficient or 2m is necessary etc.
The 1-2m distance is only a guideline and more importantly, it is not a guarantee. In other words, you shouldn't assume that by social distancing you are immune, rather you should assume your risk of becoming infected by certain mechanisms has reduced.
The energy of the droplet mostly depends on:
- How violently someone initially talks/sneezes/coughs
- The direction/angle of their head
- Surrounding air motion
- Size of the droplets
- Evaporation
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ve-no-symptoms-health-secretary-says-12004987
If the above is true can anyone explain how the Government can realistically predict how many have contracted the virus? If 80% of those who have it are asymptomatic I'm confused as to how they can predict how many have had the virus.
Also I'm quite sure the antibody tests rolled out are a joke. My wife works in ICU and said quite a few positive covid patients (tested in the past) are testing negative for antibody tests. Same goes for a friend of mine who had severe symptoms, was tested positive and then negative just now on the antibody. She had mentioned senior staff saying its 85% accurate?!
If the above is true can anyone explain how the Government can realistically predict how many have contracted the virus? If 80% of those who have it are asymptomatic I'm confused as to how they can predict how many have had the virus.
Also I'm quite sure the antibody tests rolled out are a joke. My wife works in ICU and said quite a few positive covid patients (tested in the past) are testing negative for antibody tests. Same goes for a friend of mine who had severe symptoms, was tested positive and then negative just now on the antibody. She had mentioned senior staff saying its 85% accurate?!
Serology testing is all about timing. After two weeks the accuracy starts to fall away dramatically. Quicker for milder cases.
Second wave is starting in the USA it seems - hopefully not but numbers going up.
In contrast...they're still falling here. This is after the sunshine/park gatherings/BBQs/VE Day celebrations/Beach trips....we should have seen an increase by now. Surely a positive sign?
In contrast...they're still falling here. This is after the sunshine/park gatherings/BBQs/VE Day celebrations/Beach trips....we should have seen an increase by now. Surely a positive sign?
The first wave was never really done in the states where we are seeing increases, for the most part. You can’t judge the US numbers as a whole any more so than one could the EU, as an example.
The ONS are doing random sampling of the general population which gives them an idea of how many cases there are per thousand people. They test 20 thousand people (10 thousand households) each time. They then report positive test results per thousand people and the sample size combined with the known test error rate gives a kind of +/- spread on their numbers.
They can ask the people tested what if any symptoms they were experiencing, or start to experience before/after their random test was done. They can then come up with an approximate symptoms/no symptoms ratio.
You can see an example ONS survey at:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...onaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/5june2020
Google antibody testing and the government RTC.
The only publicly traded company in the consortium is odx.
They will be making pregnancy style Home tests for Covid antibodies that will require a fingerpick blood sample That can be done by the person needing the test. The Roche and abbot tests are sub par and they require a full on blood sample to be taken By a professional. These tests will be way more accurate.
It’s only a few weeks away that these will be available.
Where did you hear that?
I’ve invested a few pennies in odx.
The plan is to achieve design freeze on the tests in June.
Then manufacture and distribution afterwards.
https://register.gotowebinar.com/recording/2171214814960679183
You can view the webinar From yesterday on this by clicking the link above.
https://www.insidermedia.com/news/wales/consortium-making-significant-progress-on-antibody-test
Also the above from bbi who are a private member of the same consortium.