SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Hate to say it but I'm in Preston and it has one of the highest infection rates in the country. I've a week booked in the Brecon Beacons in February, but I won't go unless things change dramatically.
It boils my blood, and I have got nothing against anyone from Preston as they shouldn`t be coming from anywhere but as you said it is a high infection rate there and I honestly feel for you but what hope have we got if this is folks attitude. The worst part is the next door neighbour is ex RAF officer and looks down his nose at everyone as if they are beneath him , doesn`t talk to anyone in the village as we are the little people, cnut. Sorry if I am ranting but seeing them drive up the track tonight has lit my fuse.
 
It boils my blood, and I have got nothing against anyone from Preston as they shouldn`t be coming from anywhere but as you said it is a high infection rate there and I honestly feel for you but what hope have we got if this is folks attitude. The worst part is the next door neighbour is ex RAF officer and looks down his nose at everyone as if they are beneath him , doesn`t talk to anyone in the village as we are the little people, cnut. Sorry if I am ranting but seeing them drive up the track tonight has lit my fuse.
Go and write 'Tom Finney was shite' on their car, if they look out the window on that they might choke on their butter pie and parched pea supper. Whoops, Sir Tom Finney, sorry.
 
Go and write 'Tom Finney was shite' on their car, if they look out the window on that they might choke on their butter pie and parched pea supper. Whoops, Sir Tom Finney, sorry.
They don`t do football , they are into horses. they piss me off though , my daughter lives 5 miles away and I only see my grandsons outside when the weather allows , my in laws hardly see them now cos it is impossible to keep a distance between an 80 year old with alzheimers and an 8yr , 3yr and a 3 month baby . My mother in law has got 3 great grandsons that she can`t have in her house or give them a cuddle and Mr and Mrs Biggles have theirs over for the weekend.
 
Came across a pretty jarring fact on vaccine adoption today. A 70 year old black man in the US is roughly as likely to volunteer himself for the first rounds of vaccinations as a 20 year old white woman (in both cases, not that likely)...despite being roughly 50x more likely to die from covid. Not difficult to understand with Tuskegee still relatively fresh in the collective consciousness and a long history, never mind the current disparity in outcomes on non-covid stuff, but that's quite a big hurdle to overcome. In every other case, people that are more at risk from covid are less "vaccine hesitant". Men are much more likely to get it ASAP than women, old much more likely to than young. But race is a bigger determinant of vaccine hesitancy than any of those things, and it's the only one that cuts the other way - the most at risk are the least likely to take it.

In Australia older and more religious people are the least likely to take it apparently.
 
I’d just think of it as preferable to be exposed to a vaccine with solid pre-clinical and early phase evidence of only very minor adverse events than a virus with a mortality rate approaching 1% and horrible systemic pathology, that has an equivalent lack of evidence on long term sequelae.

Totally agree.
 
Another new development. An anti(body) covid jab for people who can't take vaccines is going to start clinical trials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288

Some amazing work being done out there. The things they've learned doing this covid vaccine/treatment work could have huge impacts on other infectious diseases over the next few years.
 
US is going to cross 100k cases/day really really soon.

Thought of this when I read the figures today. 3 weeks later and they're about to cross 200k per day. Easy to get number blindness at this point but it was just at the end of October where crossing 100k seemed pretty concerning.

Hospitalization rate is now almost 50% higher than it was during the spring and summer peaks too, and no signs of slowing down :eek:

Another new development. An anti(body) covid jab for people who can't take vaccines is going to start clinical trials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288

Some amazing work being done out there. The things they've learned doing this covid vaccine/treatment work could have huge impacts on other infectious diseases over the next few years.

Yeah it does seem like it'll be a pretty sizable silver lining! I'm pretty confident we'll carry on with those benefits and a new (and healthier) perception of global and existential threats, too.
 
There are several European nations with worse numbers per capita.

You can’t consider European nations as distinct from each other if you’re going to compare them to the US numbers per capita for all 50 states combined. A fairer comparison would be against European per capita data overall.

More useful to look at data from individual US states and see how they bear up against various countries around the world.
 
You can’t consider European nations as distinct from each other if you’re going to compare them to the US numbers per capita for all 50 states combined. A fairer comparison would be against European per capita data overall.

More useful to look at data from individual US states and see how they bear up against various countries around the world.
Obviously, but it gives context/comparison.
 
Another new development. An anti(body) covid jab for people who can't take vaccines is going to start clinical trials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288

Some amazing work being done out there. The things they've learned doing this covid vaccine/treatment work could have huge impacts on other infectious diseases over the next few years.

This would be pretty groundbreaking if it worked surely?
 
You can’t consider European nations as distinct from each other if you’re going to compare them to the US numbers per capita for all 50 states combined. A fairer comparison would be against European per capita data overall.

More useful to look at data from individual US states and see how they bear up against various countries around the world.

Yes so the overall daily cases per 100k in the last week in the US is 51, compared to e.g. 71 in Austria or 91 in Montenegro. That amounts to an average of 567 cases per day in a country with ~600k people.

There are 10 states in the US with more than 100 per 100k in the last week, and the worst is North Dakota with 177. That equated to an average of 1,345 daily cases in a state with around 750k people. I've just used the NYT for global and US cases to standardise the comparisons.

I wasn't trying to make the point that the US are experiencing the worst of it, in any case. I've never quite understood the obsession with splitting hairs to decide who is #1 on places like this. Ronaldo or Messi, North Dakota or Montenegro...they're both good, they're both bad, everything else seems mostly irrelevant.
 
He also slashed the budget for public schools in the middle of a pandemic and forced them to re-open. And even with the second wave of cases, he still refuses to help people with any useful legislation like rent or mortgage moratorium. The fact that he is out there selling his book, receiving awards, and doing rounds in the media is beyond disgusting.

Yup, I hadn't updated my post since May basically. He's as bad as any of them.
 
Yes so the overall daily cases per 100k in the last week in the US is 51, compared to e.g. 71 in Austria or 91 in Montenegro. That amounts to an average of 567 cases per day in a country with ~600k people.

There are 10 states in the US with more than 100 per 100k in the last week, and the worst is North Dakota with 177. That equated to an average of 1,345 daily cases in a state with around 750k people. I've just used the NYT for global and US cases to standardise the comparisons.

I wasn't trying to make the point that the US are experiencing the worst of it, in any case. I've never quite understood the obsession with splitting hairs to decide who is #1 on places like this. Ronaldo or Messi, North Dakota or Montenegro...they're both good, they're both bad, everything else seems mostly irrelevant.
I know, that's kinda why I didn't even quote you. Just a general comment, as there are plenty of other people in this thread that will only look at absolute numbers.

The fact that Europe is doing pretty much as badly as US, just shows how bad Europe is.

When the cases go up, the testing doesn't keep up, so hospitalisations would be better metric (you know this already of course, another general comment). Czech for instance had a peak that was 3 times higher than US hospitalisations. And most of the Eastern Europe reports cases quite poorly (Romania, Bulgaria and many others).
 
Another new development. An anti(body) covid jab for people who can't take vaccines is going to start clinical trials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288

Some amazing work being done out there. The things they've learned doing this covid vaccine/treatment work could have huge impacts on other infectious diseases over the next few years.
This is fantastic news for people like me. This jab gives you the antibodies, rather than provoking your immune system to produce them. I can't risk anything that sends my immune system into hyperdrive mode, as it does that on its own on a regular basis. :lol:
 
Nearly 30% of kids at a Cumbrian school infected and probably still rising.

 
I know that school, it's a boarding school (with an emphasis on producing top rugby players).

I heard from a parent with kids at a big rugby school in Dublin that members of the first team were turning up to school/training with no sense of smell and not telling anyone in case they lost their place in the squad.
 
Nearly 30% of kids at a Cumbrian school infected and probably still rising.



It's funny how they are patting themselves on the back for doing the mass testing on such a scale
The gf has been posted up to Tianjin in China for a couple of years on a massive O&G project.

Some old lady who went for surgery last week in her suburb's local hospital landed up being positive. (She had shown them an old test result.)
They had to quarantine the entire surgical team and shut down the hospital.
They are mass testing the entire suburb of 2.7million inhabitants within the next 3 days. Each person's results are expected to be returned with 4 hrs of being tested
Everything has been arranged by the authorities and transportation arranged by her service apartment. She just has to show up at the allocation time slot.
 
More vaccine news. China are reporting they have vaccinated one million people prior to them going overseas - no infections or serious side effects were reported. Including an overseas office where about 90% were vaccinated and all of those who had had the vaccine became infected but everyone else was fine.

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/49410f4d-9168-4432-80bf-69f490b182b3
 
day 12 of symptoms and im starting to feel better. still have a bad cough and some nausea but most other symptoms are gone. i just got a pulse oximeter and im steady at 93%. does this mean im going out like stan chera?
 
day 12 of symptoms and im starting to feel better. still have a bad cough and some nausea but most other symptoms are gone. i just got a pulse oximeter and im steady at 93%. does this mean im going out like stan chera?

I'm too drunk to understand what the last bit means but, yes?

On a serious note I only really felt ill with it for probably 2-3 days, but it was a good few weeks before I felt fully back to normal and a few weeks more than that before my smell fully came back. Seems to be a slow process getting it out of your system.
 
day 12 of symptoms and im starting to feel better. still have a bad cough and some nausea but most other symptoms are gone. i just got a pulse oximeter and im steady at 93%. does this mean im going out like stan chera?
93% isn't great to be honest. Have you tried a different finger? Are you wearing black nail varnish - apparently that can stop it working? Have you tried it on someone else? 95+ is usually considered normal.

Basically, if the gadget is working you need to talk to your doctor.
 
93% isn't great to be honest. Have you tried a different finger? Are you wearing black nail varnish - apparently that can stop it working? Have you tried it on someone else? 95+ is usually considered normal.

Basically, if the gadget is working you need to talk to your doctor.
I'd agree with this, @Eboue. That's not a particularly good reading for a young man. You seem to have been quite unwell, unlike many other young people who've been able to shrug it off. Good to hear that you're slowly improving.
 
I'm too drunk to understand what the last bit means but, yes?

On a serious note I only really felt ill with it for probably 2-3 days, but it was a good few weeks before I felt fully back to normal and a few weeks more than that before my smell fully came back. Seems to be a slow process getting it out of your system.
Didn’t know you had it. Any idea where you caught it?
 
I'd agree with this, @Eboue. That's not a particularly good reading for a young man. You seem to have been quite unwell, unlike many other young people who've been able to shrug it off. Good to hear that you're slowly improving.
Hmm
A few weeks ago I wasn’t feeling great, a bit sluggish, tight chest and palpitations. I have an oximeter at home and my readings were on average between 93-95 for about 3 days then back up to 96, 97 and now 98-99.
 
day 12 of symptoms and im starting to feel better. still have a bad cough and some nausea but most other symptoms are gone. i just got a pulse oximeter and im steady at 93%. does this mean im going out like stan chera?

93% isn’t great. But the cheaper devices can be very inaccurate. What’s more important is how you’re doing by your own baseline. Assuming you don’t have a baseline, full health, reading as a comparison I wouldn’t worry too much unless it starts deteriorating from were you are now.

If you’re feeling an improvement in your overall health from the previous week, that’s the main thing. It would be extremely unlikely for your lungs to start decompensating while you’re feeling better, day by day.
 
Hmm
A few weeks ago I wasn’t feeling great, a bit sluggish, tight chest and palpitations. I have an oximeter at home and my readings were on average between 93-95 for about 3 days then back up to 96, 97 and now 98-99.

Sounds like you might have had the ‘rona.
 
93% isn’t great. But the cheaper devices can be very inaccurate. What’s more important is how you’re doing by your own baseline. Assuming you don’t have a baseline, full health, reading as a comparison I wouldn’t worry too much unless it starts deteriorating from were you are now.

If you’re feeling an improvement in your overall health from the previous week, that’s the main thing. It would be extremely unlikely for your lungs to start decompensating while you’re feeling better, day by day.

How much would a “decent” oximetry cost? Wonder if it’s worth getting one for myself/pregnant wife to keep an additional tab on things?
 
Sounds like you might have had the ‘rona.
Did wonder that but discounted it since We literally go nowhere though apart from school drop off and pick up

I was actually thinking it may have been related to my bypasses, as I was told at the time that one of the 4 mightnt last very long as it was hard to bypass
 
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In Leicester junior doctors being redeployed to respiratory and acute medical ward. Covid surge rotas implemented. Surgical and medical specialties stopping clinic including most elective work. Its busier than April. Morale is even lower because of worries of widespread behavioural fatigue which means things getting worse.

The real major therapeutic advance in tangible clinical terms has been dexamethasone and therapeutic anti-coagulant medication. In the aggregate useful to improve outcomes, lower oxygen-dependance and patient flow. But still many many deaths and complications.
 
We literally go nowhere though apart from school drop off and pick up

Didn’t you say your kids had a dose at some point? Young kids are much less likely to catch it but they do catch it. Chest tightness and reduced sats would definitely raise the possibility you had covid.
 
Didn’t you say your kids had a dose at some point? Young kids are much less likely to catch it but they do catch it. Chest tightness and reduced sats would definitely raise the possibility you had covid.
Yeah actually i didn’t think of that
 
Tomorrow, Boris is going to confirm that lockdown will end on 02/12/20, going into a tougher Tier system.

However it's bieng said that non-essential retail will be allowed to open up at all levels...so I'm not sure what he can do to toughen up the Tiers then?
 
Tomorrow, Boris is going to confirm that lockdown will end on 02/12/20, going into a tougher Tier system.

However it's bieng said that non-essential retail will be allowed to open up at all levels...so I'm not sure what he can do to toughen up the Tiers then?
The bit I read on the BBC was that tougher rules meant pubs didn't need to be shut by 10, but rather call last orders by 10 and then have lights out by 11. Quite how that is tougher is anyone's guess?!