SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Ecstatic said:
  • Belgium: €250 for individuals, €750 for businesses; government lawsuit for nonpayment
  • England: Up to £200 for the first offense and up to £6,400 for repeat offenders
  • France: €135 fine for breaking nighttime curfew, up to €3,750 for repeat offenders
  • Italy: €400-€1,000 fine for not wearing a face mask (almost always required inside and outside)
  • Netherlands: €95 fine for individuals not wearing masks and groups of people not keeping distance
  • Spain: €100 for not wearing mask; €600 to €600,000 for violating other national restrictions
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Belgium has changed, fines have become higher. 750€ for a minor offence by an individual, 4000€ and a court order for a major (for instance hosting a lockdown party). No warnings, immediate fine.
 
onemanarmy said:
Belgium has changed, fines have become higher. 750€ for a minor offence by an individual, 4000€ and a court order for a major (for instance hosting a lockdown party). No warnings, immediate fine.
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Yeah, the English one doesn't sound quite right now. Lockdown parties and anti-lockdown protests can be fined £10,000 on the spot and have been a few times.
 
Garethw said:
This is exactly what needs to be said at the PM’s media briefings.
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What if it makes the targets of this criticism just more likely to dismiss the rules because they now believe the government no longer speaks for them, they're being victimised, etc.?
 
Brwned said:
What if it makes the targets of this criticism just more likely to dismiss the rules because they now believe the government no longer speaks for them, they're being victimised, etc.?
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Particularly if it’s coming from people with a fair amount of ‘blood on their hands’.
 
Brwned said:
What if it makes the targets of this criticism just more likely to dismiss the rules because they now believe the government no longer speaks for them, they're being victimised, etc.?
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I’m certainly not advocating that Boris start shouting at the cameras that the public are too blame mate. But a sterner message stating that if you stop moving the virus stops moving should be sent out.
 
Brwned said:
What if it makes the targets of this criticism just more likely to dismiss the rules because they now believe the government no longer speaks for them, they're being victimised, etc.?
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I think people who already break the rules don’t care what they’re being asked to do with or without guidance. And frankly, if they’re ignorant enough to dismiss the requests for mask wearing and distancing then what right to they have to feel victimised in the first place? While numbers are spiralling as they are there should be no excuses for either public behaviour or governments messages.
 
Volumiza said:
I think people who already break the rules don’t care what they’re being asked to do with or without guidance. And frankly, if they’re ignorant enough to dismiss the requests for mask wearing and distancing then what right to they have to feel victimised in the first place? While numbers are spiralling as they are there should be no excuses for either public behaviour or governments messages.
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Nowadays you always have the right to feel victimised particularly if you do something vile or act like an idiot and people tell you that you are a vile idiot.
 
Garethw said:
I’m certainly not advocating that Boris start shouting at the cameras that the public are too blame mate. But a sterner message stating that if you stop moving the virus stops moving should be sent out.
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Oh right I thought you meant they should say exactly the same message. Agree that sterner messaging is required in this moment but I think it's reasonable for governments to consider what are the negative side-effects of certain kinds of messages.

Volumiza said:
I think people who already break the rules don’t care what they’re being asked to do with or without guidance. And frankly, if they’re ignorant enough to dismiss the requests for mask wearing and distancing then what right to they have to feel victimised in the first place? While numbers are spiralling as they are there should be no excuses for either public behaviour or governments messages.
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The question is what you're trying to achieve by saying "you have blood on your hands"? If it isn't to get these people to change their behaviour, what positive effect is it intended to bring? It might make some people feel vindicated for saying the same thing all this time, but it isn't going to change their behaviour either. And if it comes with a legitimate risk of further disillusioning people, then that choice of words can just lead to more blood. No point in winning moral victories if it leads to more losses as a result.

I think it's good that the doctor said it. In that case it comes with some potential benefits because people do trust them more than politicians, and it comes with fewer risks because they aren't speaking as an elected member representing the public. If the government chose not to weigh up those risks and benefits and it did alienate people, it would be a bad decision. It doesn't really matter what people are entitled to feel, it matters what they do feel. You can tell them that's a stupid thing to feel but they'll just ignore you and let those feelings guide their actions. And that brings dangers.
 
Brwned said:
Oh right I thought you meant they should say exactly the same message. Agree that sterner messaging is required in this moment but I think it's reasonable for governments to consider what are the negative side-effects of certain kinds of messages.



The question is what you're trying to achieve by saying "you have blood on your hands"? If it isn't to get these people to change their behaviour, what positive effect is it intended to bring? It might make some people feel vindicated for saying the same thing all this time, but it isn't going to change their behaviour either. And if it comes with a legitimate risk of further disillusioning people, then that choice of words can just lead to more blood. No point in winning moral victories if it leads to more losses as a result.

I think it's good that the doctor said it. In that case it comes with some potential benefits because people do trust them more than politicians, and it comes with fewer risks because they aren't speaking as an elected member representing the public. If the government chose not to weigh up those risks and benefits and it did alienate people, it would be a bad decision. It doesn't really matter what people are entitled to feel, it matters what they do feel. You can tell them that's a stupid thing to feel but they'll just ignore you and let those feelings guide their actions. And that brings dangers.
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I wasn’t advocating the use of that phrase in particular, just a stronger message in general. Nicely does it has got us to 50k case a day so time to get much sterner.

I was just meaning that the enforcement of wearing of masks and social distancing should be ramped up to the Nth degree and those flouting the rules should be targeted specifically in the messaging, feck their feelings at this point.
 
JPRouve said:
Nowadays you always have the right to feel victimised particularly if you do something vile or act like an idiot and people tell you that you are a vile idiot.
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That may well be the case and lots of people are legitimately victimised but there should be no concern at targeting those in disregard of the current mess we’re in just in case they feel victimised, let them feel it.

The little old lady Nextdoor to us, who’s been like a step mother to me for the last 10 years, who we do shopping for and look after has now been taken into hospital with suspected covid. She barely leaves the house, so it must be either some shopping or a carer. If her result comes back positive then my whole family will have a nervy wait.

What the hell is going on? Just wear a mask, wash your hands and keep your fecking distance.
 
Rules on the 'essential' shops continue to baffle me. I just went for a run and noticed its heaving around here with people hanging outside Costa and the indie coffee shops having a good old chat.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Rules on the 'essential' shops continue to baffle me. I just went for a run and noticed its heaving around here with people hanging outside Costa and the indie coffee shops having a good old chat.
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My shop closed today and I was shutting everything down today and the town was absolutely heaving with people. Absolutely baffling.
 
I went to Tesco today, as I was going in a couple was arguing with the staff (on the door) because they were not letting 2 people from the same household in at once.

As I left, a different couple was having the same argument with the same staff member.

feck working in retail at the moment.
 
Volumiza said:
Yeah, absolutely.

Saying that though, my inner Travis Bickle would actually quite like to be in a position to actually confront some of these eejits instead of raging under my breath.
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People in my workplace have actually been very understanding and followed what I asked them to do 99% of the time. I've actually been pleasantly surprised.
 
Berbaclass said:
People in my workplace have actually been very understanding and followed what I asked them to do 99% of the time. I've actually been pleasantly surprised.
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Good to know, are you in retail also?

I think the majority of people are good, I know I always focus ont he negative minority but I’ve seen so much stupidity over the last few days it’s hard to watch.
 
Volumiza said:
Good to know, are you in retail also?

I think the majority of people are good, I know I always focus ont he negative minority but I’ve seen so much stupidity over the last few days it’s hard to watch.
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Kind of. I work for Ladbrokes. When we closed in March it was as 'leisure' but when we opened in June it was part of 'Retail' I feel like they just make it up as they go along. The industry is a bit of a grey area as far as pinning it down to a particular sector goes. It's both really.

I expected to have a few arguments after the last lockdown when they set limits of 15 minutes per visit twice a day. Thankfully pretty much everyone has been pretty understanding as obviously it's not my fault and I'm just following orders.
 
They're having to move people from London and the south east to the south west. It's clear that the nightingale hospitals are just there for good pr. I don't know why they don't just admit that they don't have the staff to run them because that seems to be the case. Especially for the one in London.
 
Acole9 said:
They're having to move people from London and the south east to the south west. It's clear that the nightingale hospitals are just there for good pr. I don't know why they don't just admit that they don't have the staff to run them because that seems to be the case. Especially for the one in London.
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I've always assumed they're there for the worst possible scenario i.e military support. Hopefully we never see them used.
 
Acole9 said:
They're having to move people from London and the south east to the south west. It's clear that the nightingale hospitals are just there for good pr. I don't know why they don't just admit that they don't have the staff to run them because that seems to be the case. Especially for the one in London.
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Smores said:
I've always assumed they're there for the worst possible scenario i.e military support. Hopefully we never see them used.
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There was a hospital doctor from London on C4 earlier. He said that along with the staff issue they were also set up to treat a different disease to what Covid-19 transpired to be. Don‘t think they have the facilities to treat the wide range of complications that Covid causes. They were talking about opening them for less ill patients though.

He also said that delivery driver turned up to the hospital yesterday with goodS for intensive care not wearing a mask and got upset when he was told to put one on. The mind boggles.
 
Bunch of my mates back home all having a NYE house party tonight, really makes you wonder about your friends and who you have time for.
 
January is going to be very very bad unfortunately. Can see 40k+ deaths in the UK in one month at this rate . I don't really know what exactly the government can do at this point
 
Berbasbullet said:
Bunch of my mates back home all having a NYE house party tonight, really makes you wonder about your friends and who you have time for.
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I don't understand it, it's as if there are two parallel worlds. One of them is just going on as normal and the other one is following the rules and doing without things.

New Year is a time when so many people go over the top with the celebrations. It's the reason why we couldn't have holidays in September when I was a midwife.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
January is going to be very very bad unfortunately. Can see 40k+ deaths in the UK in one month at this rate . I don't really know what exactly the government can do at this point
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It's horrific, but we will hit 100k deaths before the end of Jan.

I just hope that the Government go back into a March type lockdown, and it needs to be that strict for approx 6-8 weeks. Ramp up vaccine roll out to as quick as it can be with the supplies we have....and then, early March, we can hopefully start to see some real loosening of the rules.

This is the most concerned I've been since March...I'm not living in fear or anything, just the harsh reality of the situation
 
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