Man this is depressing news. Guessing it’s a race against time in terms of boosters? Do we know how the rest of the country is in terms of Omicron infection vs London?
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Yeah but just mathematically, even if they keep numbers low as a %, if the raw number grows too big, which it will at this rate (not done any actual calcs but intuitively), that won’t be sufficient? Hopefully with school holidays and WFH the growth will slow, but who knows.
I know of a few people who have been ill recently but are relying on negative LFTs to convice them it's not Covid. So the number of people soldiering on without doing a PCR test probably negate any idea that more completely asymptomatic people are taking them and skewing the figures.
78k new cases is grim
Also is the first time that there hasn’t been a leak about a press conference? Or does this mean not much will happen?
The other problem is that London being the epicentre of it all is also bad as the people working there, many of them will return home over the next week or so for Christmas.
It's growing too fast - on the 11th it was 19% in the north west for example (last published data) but it's probably 50% by now.
What is the reason for this?
No new measures, just pushing the booster message
Whitty seems very concerned
That's pretty conclusive.
Holy shit. Presume that’s one third of total population? (i.e. including kids too young to get jabbed) Which would be less bad.
The text in the white window:
Do only take a pcr-test if you need it.
Because of the pressure on the testing sites, Statens Serum Institute advices you to take a rapid corona test if you only need the result for your corona pass.
text in blue window:
When should you take a pcr-test?
sunnhedsmyndighederne (health institute) advices you to book a test if you:
- have covid-19 symptoms
- are a close contact to one who tested positive on covid-19
- have tested positive for covid-19 on a rapid test
when should you take a rapid test?
If you don’t tick any of the options above, you should instead take a rapid test.
Maybe a lot of children in that number and probably due to a large population/communities not registered to the NHS/with UK citizenship/aren't targeted for vaccine programmes.
GP records less accurate - people who've left the area or even the country sometimes still on the lists, particularly in student areas.
Plus the population skews younger and whereas nationally older people are 95%+ vaccinated, that's not true for younger adults where it's more like 65-70%
There are other factors around population demographics as well - ethnicity and housing density being the most obvious ones. However, nationally, areas with high levels of past infection and low average age are the least vaccinated. A lot of people see past infection (whether that was proven by testing or just by thinking "I must have done") as enough, particularly if they think they are otherwise healthy.
It seems to be similar in some of Manchester's most busy/cosmopolitan/young areas as well: Link
Speaking personally, I live and work in the city centre and (pre-pandemic) would go out clubbing every weekend. That meant I'd inevitably end up getting colds and flus quite regularly. But I'd also recover equally quickly and my illnesses never got too severe.
I think people in dense population/nightlife areas have an unrealistically high opinion of their own immune systems because of their prior experiences with other milder diseases. It's a sentiment I hear a lot from friends who think they'll be okay because they've always been okay in the past. In fact, I think the same to some degree. But I'm not going to turn down a free vaccine that gives me a stronger immune system with less risk than catching Covid itself.
Is Robert Peston a real person? His intonation is beyond parody.
Trent Crimm is within parody.
Ok, thanks. So they’re still PCR testing everyone with symptoms and close contacts of cases. Be interesting to see how much longer they can keep that up.
A lot of countries will have to pivot to LFTs. And I’m getting the impression they’re even more inaccurate with omicron than they were with previous variants.
I can't see the article but I think they're talking about the 12+ population. Around 68% of over 12s have had one dose in London region, 61% have had two. Higher than that in some wealthy suburbs, but much lower in some other areas (including in some where it may be a GP record admin issue rather than a real phenomena)
So from this it seems we can go out, clubbing, etc. I've got an Xmas party tomorrow night (not at Downing Street) and all of us just breathed a sigh of relief.
Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.
Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.
If I was to hedge a bet, it's entirely made up and this poor soul believes it to be true and hasn't got vaccinated
Just got to weigh up whether you want to catch it or not really, as doing any activity that involves a lot of people indoors is a huge risk right now.
It's tricky now what to do for the best. I have one next week and really want to go but I'm starting to think if it's irresponsible to do so.
you know that gut feeling? Trust it
In situations such as these, I commend to you the Chinese relativity axiom. No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats (or whether or not you go next week), approximately one billion Chinese couldn’t care less.
unless you intend to be a hermit for the next 2 months just go it’s very likely no matter what you will come in contact with the virus if your are out and about
I had my Moderna booster on Monday (had a couple Pfizers before - tasty little cocky for me!) and was absolutely cooked yesterday. Woke up all feverish with a cracking headache and general muscle aches all over. Woke up this morning feeling much better... basically back to normal.
I was fine after my other two jabs, but this one just steamrolled me. Hope you're beginning to feel better, but you may be a bit grim for another day or so!
So they were telling people to have 4 jabs tonight?
So i'm guessing that on the most venerable, they don't feel 3 jabs are enough.
So i'm guessing that on the most venerable, they don't feel 3 jabs are enough.
I'm hoping the tubes will be nigh on empty and the only people inside will be tested. Testing is mandatory on the day. Obviously doesn't eliminate the risk but no way am I going anywhere else.
As for risks, I need to take pre flight PCR test in 10 days or that's over a grand in tickets down the drain. I need to hope that if I do catch it, it clears out of the system just before!
Fingers crossed mate. For what it's worth someone at work had theirs a couple of weeks ago and had awful chest pains after, spoke to 111 etc and got checked but turned out to just seemingly a bit of a rough reaction to it and nothing worse. Let us know how you get on.
for immunosuppressed people, talking about pills as well
A lot of black and Asian people will not get vaccinated. I know a lot of black guys in London and they all call it white mans poison.
Up to you. You know the risk at this stage.
I was supposed to be going to a gig tonight in London but decided not to. My wife is pregnant so need to be careful at the moment.
I haven't been feeling too good this week anyway (Don't think it's covid related) just run down from work, so many people off sick at the moment.
I haven't been feeling too good this week anyway (Don't think it's covid related) just run down from work, so many people off sick at the moment.
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
Think Whitty said a 2nd booster for those who are vulnerable.
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