Don’t forget that antibodies created by a vaccine are inherently limited in terms of what they target. Now you‘ve actually caught the ‘rona you’ll churn out a load of polyvalent AB’s the next time you’re exposed. The combination of vacccine plus natural exposure is the best protection by far. Assuming covid remains in circulation (which seems inevitable) you’ll get a natural booster every year or so, without any need for another vaccine shot.
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Don’t forget that antibodies created by a vaccine are inherently limited in terms of what they target. Now you‘ve actually caught the ‘rona you’ll churn out a load of polyvalent AB’s the next time you’re exposed. The combination of vacccine plus natural exposure is the best protection by far. Assuming covid remains in circulation (which seems inevitable) you’ll get a natural booster every year or so, without any need for another vaccine shot.
I have had 3 vaccines and had COVID in late June. Should I get another booster I have been offered?
Very personal decision. Which will be influenced by how sick covid made you. If it was mild, I wouldn’t bother.
I would also say that considering the date of the last vaccine is also important.
I was ill (very bad cold ill) for a day but largely fine after that...
Obviously getting it will add another level of protection which is a positive. However, I have never had an reaction to any vaccine. Having had AZ and Pfizer my chances of an adverse reaction to another shot is far smaller than the already small average occurrence, so I'd happily take the omicron tweaked booster in due course. The three days I felt the worst also spiked my blood pressure, so as I get close to 60 I think corona indirectly giving me a heart attack is by far the biggest risk. If it just further reduces symptoms next time I get it, by a faster reaction as memory cells won't be alone, I'll be happy.
Partly informed by getting H1N1 unvaccinated in 2009 and requiring (but declining) hospitalisation due to it resulting in double pneumonia.
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I was bad flu symptoms for 2/3 days and I'm now gradually recovering. Interestingly the RAT test didn't show as positive until today, 3 days after the worst symptoms. I had fairly mild bronchial symptoms but thankfully no lung involvement and no taste/smell changes (are they a thing of past variants?). My main symptoms were unquenchable thirst, zero appetite, bone sagging lethargy and general bad cold/flu symptoms.
I can't imagine what the poor people who got earlier deadlier variants before vaccines were developed.
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The most nerve inducing thing for an A/E doctor. It's worse when it comes from people we reckon as intelligent. I got mad just reading
Your tendency for becoming sickly with respiratory infections makes you the sort of person I'd definitely advise to keep getting boosters.
The most nerve inducing thing for an A/E doctor. It's worse when it comes from people we reckon as intelligent. I got mad just reading
Your tendency for becoming sickly with respiratory infections makes you the sort of person I'd definitely advise to keep getting boosters.
I've only ever had one lung infection in my nearly 59 years - 13 years ago. The recent broncial symptoms with covid were minor and mirrored exactly my wife's symptoms and most of the people who caught it at the same event. So I don't think I am particularly prone to respiratory infections. But I'll certainly continue getting boosters.
When I refused hospitalisation I was running my own business and it woild have costs me thousands at a time we were under extreme financial pressure but worse still I was in the midst of a fairly bad tempered change of business partners and if I'd been hospitalised contracts would have overlapped (I had to serve documents in person and get a signature) and I'd have been sued. This took a couple of days by which time the worst had passed and if at any time I'd declined my wife would have taken me to hospital or called an ambulance.
I wanted to go but doing so could have caused financial ruin.
Didn't even cross my mind. Am so used to working public on free access that I didn't remember that is a concern for many people in other places. Usually my discussions are more of the sort "sir you had a MI, you need to stay a few days for study and treatment" to which some people reply "can't, gotta go feed my dogs, not hurting any more, bye".
It's almost always men who do this, fortunately most of the time their wives or daughters bring them back.
We have socialised medicine but various business things would have collapsed. And while I still probably believed myself imortal in my mid 40s even then I would have checked myself in if the financial consequences wouldn't have been so devastating.
I had three Pfizer vaccines then got COVID in July and was knocked cold ached in every bone in my body and shivered for two days with a headache that can not be described as anything else than torture. Got a bit better on the third day but again on the fifth day got bad again, it was a fecking awful experience. I have had a bit of a hard time since with me being very unlike my hyperactive self, fatigued and tired all the time. It's been a really shitty time. Going in again for the 4th Pfizer this week and who knows what will happen. But this is no fecking flu.
sorry to hear that, can't imagine having to navigate your health and finances at the same time. Luckily I live in a country where you don't have to think about going to the hospital if you are sick, you just go and it's more it less free. It's a shit choice that you shouldn't have to make.
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So far, I've mostly had chest congestion and a cough with some minor aches/headache. As long as I take acetaminophen, I feel ok aside from being tired. Hopefully tomorrow isn't worse.
It is free here. Working for myself I just couldn't stop or I'd have lost thousands of $ and many customers and due to a bizarre set of circumstances where I had to stop commercial connections with one company and start them with another without overlap I had to keep going. Already under severe financial pressure I would also have been sued which could have stopped me operating for quite a time and exposed me to huge damages.
Good luck
I had my fourth Modena (the bivalent) two weeks ago and didn't have any noticeable side effects, not even a headache, even though I was a bit worried about the myocarditis risk of additional boosters. So far, so good, but they said it could take six to eight weeks after the boost to show up. So yeah. My second and third times (Modena) got me knocked out for a couple of days last year.
My job requires me to go out in public and interact with people. I've been wearing the mask in public since 2020. I haven't even gotten a cold, which I usually get once a year since then. Shocker!
My job requires me to go out in public and interact with people. I've been wearing the mask in public since 2020. I haven't even gotten a cold, which I usually get once a year since then. Shocker!
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Ah ok, we had a system here where all COVID related incidents were paid by the government, isolating, being sick and even supporting companies for revenue losses. I think the small companies it the people working for themselves were the ones that had it the worst. There wasn't a way for them to stay at home without losing their livelyhood.
This was H1N1 in 2009. And I'd have lost about $20k which would never have been covered by a government scheme even if there was one at the time.
Had my 4th jab last night. Not too bad kept waking up arm a little sore and was shivering at one point but it is cold now.
A little sluggish this morning but generally all good. I can't see me having another one for some time now was on the fence about this one.
A little sluggish this morning but generally all good. I can't see me having another one for some time now was on the fence about this one.
Finally picked up covid after swerving it for over 2 1/2 years!
Hopefully a few days rest sees it off.
Hopefully a few days rest sees it off.
Much less tired today - still woke a lot last night and was sweating a bit instead of shivering (which seemed better).
Not trying a "look at me post" at all just saying for the hopeful benefits I'm glad I did the 4th jab. Good luck all.
Tested positive for COVID today. Managed to escape the whole thing for over 2 and a half years.
So far, my symptoms feel like when I had one of my worst colds ever. Considering that the action mostly takes place with a sore throat, some cough and no changes in taste/smell, I should be glad it's not worse. Hope a few days' rest will see it through. I can only imagine what if would be like if I didn't get my 4th jab in August; I have to wait for 5 months after that jab to get the next one though.
So far, my symptoms feel like when I had one of my worst colds ever. Considering that the action mostly takes place with a sore throat, some cough and no changes in taste/smell, I should be glad it's not worse. Hope a few days' rest will see it through. I can only imagine what if would be like if I didn't get my 4th jab in August; I have to wait for 5 months after that jab to get the next one though.
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It is close to 2 weeks since I got it and only now close to back to normal albeit still getting tired very easily.
I got my bivalent omicron booster (my 4th shot) in September, and, after finally going through COVID last week, I think the booster helped a lot. I had a cough and chest congestion that were annoying, but the aches and fever were very minor. The worst part was my fever breaking while I slept and waking up drenched in sweat. Now I still have a bit of a cough and a little congestion, but I've been back at work and feeling fine. I haven't tried doing anything too strenuous yet though.
I had my 4th ordinary shot but it was long enough ago that I probably didn't have any/many active antibodies. So huge benefits but I'd say I had got quite sick before the memory cells fully did their job, as you would expect. Still just felt shit with no serious symptoms that might need hospitalisation.
Uh-oh?
Stinks of propaganda to me. They were forced to drop their ultra strict draconian measures due to public protests and they’re saying these are the consequences for disobeying and going against government advice.
Certainly sounds like it
I dunno, in my admittedly brief check he seemed pretty sensible, if a bit hyperbolic. Checking further, looks like he gain notoriety for being one of the first to warn how bad Covid will be.Isn't millions plural by definition?
This was from a economics blog earlier this month:
https://adamtooze.com/2022/12/02/chartbook-177-beijings-tragic-covid-dilemma/
In May 2022 during the emergency in Shanghai, a paper in Nature Medicine estimated that lifting China’s COVID restrictions could results in a “tsunami” of infections. Based on the vaccination rate as of the spring of 2022 the Nature authors predicted that China would need more than 15 times the number of intensive care beds that are actually available. Their modeling suggested a likely toll of 1.55 million deaths. That is a grim figure. An estimate by The Economist, predicted something closer to 680,000, assuming that all intensive care needs can be met, which is far too optimistic.
It is worth noting that even the worst case scenarios do not foresee a catastrophe for China on the scale of America’s or Europe’s botched handling of the crisis. Scaled to population, America’s 1 million deaths would be equivalent to over 4 million in China. That does not seem on the cards. But the figure of between 500,000 and 1.5 million deaths are predicted by most studies would nevertheless be a shattering disaster. Scenes of chaos in hospitals like in Wuhan in January and February 2020 or Hong Kong in early 2022, played out hundreds of times across China are a nightmare that no one can wish for.
Pretty much. He started out reasonable then got caught up in the likes and retweets business and became a celeb/grifter through it. He's basically complained about every relaxation of restrictions in the US (like reopening schools, mask mandates etc) while he and his family opted to live in Switzerland with open schools etc...
He's still looking for a new panic to hitch himself to. Every new variant, every mention of long COVID - he'll be putting the scariest possible spin on it.
China is a different matter to the rest of the world though - it looks like they may have decided to let it rip through the country. Low vaccination levels amongst the oldest and most vulnerable and low numbers of acute hospital beds make for a scary backdrop.
So much depends on how effective the Chinese vaccines really are at reducing serious disease - it's an unknown at the moment, but I'm still expecting that Omicron + fully vaccinated will spare them from the worst case we saw in Europe and the US with no vaccine back in 2020/ early 2021.
The crunch question is whether they have been able to push the vaccine take-up rate in the over 70s. The least vaccinated portion of the Chinese population (by age) are actually their oldest citizens and therefore the most vulnerable. If they've managed to push up those rates over the last few weeks they may be in better shape than we know.
And that's the thing right now - we don't know what's really happening in China. They've stopped publishing vaccination data, they've basically stopped testing (or at least reporting) and I'm not convinced we'll see them report their actual death toll.
Right now, all we can do is hope for the best. I think they've missed the chance to come out of this with the soft reopening and lower death rates seen in Singapore and New Zealand - we can only hope China are in better shape now than they were a few months ago and it won't be the worst case scenario. That said, even the more optimistic scenarios still mean a massive number of deaths.
Mask up time again
For flu, maybe. Which seems to be making people a hell of a lot sicker than covid.
I've been knocked out with covid symptoms for the last four days. Convinced it was covid but taken several negative tests later it must just be flu. Still fecking sucks.
True, they are both definitely doing the rounds. I know at least 4 people who have been laid low with covid the last week. Good job it’s not like it was in the first strain because it’s rampant
There’s shitloads of covid and flu doing the rounds right now. Which may be a consequence of lockdowns this time last year?
From what I hear from medics I know you’re much more likely to end up in hospital from flu than covid. Combination of latest variants of covid being less virulent and much fewer people being vaccinated against covid than flu.
Amongst my friends that’s been the pattern too. Covid = annoying head cold. Flu = absolutely fecking miserable for a week or more.
Is anyone else still paranoid when you cough in a store?