SC Braga vs. Manchester United

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Rafael-----Smalling------Evans-----Buttner

Nani-------Carrick-----Scholes------Young

-----------Rooney-----Hernandez----------
 
Widnes said:
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Rafael-----Smalling------Evans-----Buttner

Nani-------Carrick-----Scholes------Young

-----------Rooney-----Hernandez----------
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Not a fan. Starting Young after he wasted a couple of good chances with complete nothing performances. A two-man midfield in Europe. Those two men together having the mobility and energy of a mobile home without wing-mirrors.
 
Young shouldn't start again, he's been poor both games. Don't mind the formation though with Anderson instead of Scholes, he deserves a start.
 
Theon said:
Young shouldn't start again, he's been poor both games. Don't mind the formation though with Anderson instead of Scholes, he deserves a start.
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no, he hasn't.
out of all the players we have I'm hardly a "young fan", but he played his part in atleast the win over Chelsea.
We've got better options and I wouldn't exactly want him to start either, but that's because I think we can do better, not that he was crap or anything.
 
OGkush said:
no, he hasn't.
out of all the players we have I'm hardly a "young fan", but he played his part in atleast the win over Chelsea.
We've got better options and I wouldn't exactly want him to start either, but that's because I think we can do better, not that he was crap or anything.
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He wasn't crap but he was a massive passenger. Whereas both Anderson and Cleverley have been playing very well indeed, and contributing decisively to our wins. They have earned starts, whereas all Young has done, really, is not feck up. Which shouldn't be enough to get you a place in this team.
 
Brightonian said:
He wasn't crap but he was a massive passenger. Whereas both Anderson and Cleverley have been playing very well indeed, and contributing decisively to our wins. They have earned starts, whereas all Young has done, really, is not feck up. Which shouldn't be enough to get you a place in this team.
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I'm not sure how Clev contributed decisively to our win against Arsenal... he was pretty average the whole game and his most notable contribution was trying to get himself sent off!!

Anyway, Young was poor against Arsenal, and decent against Chelsea... and whether you disagree with the last part of that statement, you can't disagree with the fact that he contributed decisively to our win in that game.
 
----------------------Lindegaard--------------------------

Rafael------------Smalling----------Evans----------Evra

Nani------------Anderson---------Carrick-----Welbeck

--------------------Rooney----Hernandez--------------
 
I agree Ando deserves a start and it would be good to see Nani get one too. Seems like the sort of game Scholes tends to start too, so it will be interesting to see how we line up. Still can't decide whether Fergie will give Robin a rest, I think he will certainly shuffle the pack with regards to the front four over those four aways on the trot.
 
-------Lindegaard
Rafael, Rio, Evans, Evra
Valencia, Anderson, Carrick, Nani
-------Rooney, RVP
 
OGkush said:
no, he hasn't.
out of all the players we have I'm hardly a "young fan", but he played his part in atleast the win over Chelsea.
We've got better options and I wouldn't exactly want him to start either, but that's because I think we can do better, not that he was crap or anything.
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Yeah well it's been discussed in the Young thread, I thought he was poor and played his way out of the team. He didn't do enough in either to earn another start. Against Chelsea he was slightly better but was still too conservative in attack, wouldn't beat a man and attack the byline, too often just cut back and played it save to Evra. He puts a shift in defensively, but so does Welbeck and Nani, whereas both of them comfortably offer more in attack.
 
I see no logical reason for Nani not to start this game, given that it's in Portugal, and how poor Young and Valencia have been.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I'm not sure how Clev contributed decisively to our win against Arsenal... he was pretty average the whole game and his most notable contribution was trying to get himself sent off!!

Anyway, Young was poor against Arsenal, and decent against Chelsea... and whether you disagree with the last part of that statement, you can't disagree with the fact that he contributed decisively to our win in that game.
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Nope, his most notable contribution was outplaying Wilshere to the extent that Wilshere did get himself sent off. Regardless of what you think of their form, players like Wilshere, Cazorla and Arteta don't just disappear off a pitch. They played shit because we dominated the midfield, and Cleverley has a lot to do with that.
 
Look I never said I want Young to start. I'd much rather we start Nani/Valencia/Welbeck/Chicharito/Anderson/Cleverley if I had to choose between them and Young, I'm just saying he wasn't exactly crap.
His form is far from outstanding at the moment, but saying he was crap is a bit much don't you agree?
 
OGkush said:
Look I never said I want Young to start. I'd much rather we start Nani/Valencia/Welbeck/Chicharito/Anderson/Cleverley if I had to choose between them and Young, I'm just saying he wasn't exactly crap.
His form is far from outstanding at the moment, but saying he was crap is a bit much don't you agree?
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He's been totally useless because he plays in Nani's position, who himself has been terrific so far this season. And Valencia has been terrible as well, cause Nani can play on the right.
 
Tomuś said:
He's been totally useless because he plays in Nani's position, who himself has been terrific so far this season. And Valencia has been terrible as well, cause Nani can play on the right.
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Let's not turn this into the Nani thread, there's no reason to.
 
Widnes said:
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Rafael-----Smalling------Evans-----Buttner

Nani-------Carrick-----Scholes------Young

-----------Rooney-----Hernandez----------
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Scholes hasn't travelled.
 
Brightonian said:
Nope, his most notable contribution was outplaying Wilshere to the extent that Wilshere did get himself sent off. Regardless of what you think of their form, players like Wilshere, Cazorla and Arteta don't just disappear off a pitch. They played shit because we dominated the midfield, and Cleverley has a lot to do with that.
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I think your crediting Cleverley with a bit too much good work there... even Fergie himself said that bringing Ando on in his place made us a lot better then we were and changed the game for us. Rooney and Carrick were bigger factors in nullifying Carzola and Arteta in particular... though it was really up front and in defense where Arsenal were really shit.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I think your crediting Cleverley with a bit too much good work there... even Fergie himself said that bringing Ando on in his place made us a lot better then we were and changed the game for us. Rooney and Carrick were bigger factors in nullifying Carzola and Arteta in particular... though it was really up front and in defense where Arsenal were really shit.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on most of this, because I think you're just plain wrong.

The amount of times people use the 'and Fergie said it' line as if that's some kind of proof is baffling. He also said Giggs was good in the Spurs game. He's often wrong, especially in what he says about a match afterwards.

Ando was good. But he played mostly against ten men, and we had been put firmly in control of the match (performance-wise if not quite goals-wise yet) before he came on. Despite all that, all Arsenal's attacking football from the entire game occurred when he was on the pitch.
 
Brightonian said:
We're going to have to agree to disagree on most of this, because I think you're just plain wrong.

The amount of times people use the 'and Fergie said it' line as if that's some kind of proof is baffling. He also said Giggs was good in the Spurs game. He's often wrong, especially in what he says about a match afterwards.

Ando was good. But he played mostly against ten men, and we had been put firmly in control of the match (performance-wise if not quite goals-wise yet) before he came on. Despite all that, all Arsenal's attacking football from the entire game occurred when he was on the pitch.
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Not just Fergie then, a few people said it in the Anderson thread on this forum (which admitidly, you argued against). He was actually looking to run beyond the midfield and cause problems, on top of just closing their players down... and generally just gave our team a greater drive going forward.

Also the bit in bold is a bit disingenuous, "all Arsenals attacking football" occured within a freak 2 minute period when the game was already won!

As you said though, agree to disagree. I was probably a bit harsh on Clev, he was decent against Arsenal, whilst Young was obviously poor... but I think it's a little over the top to say he has been "decisive" in our victories when, at the same time, you're saying Young hasn't done much. As I said, Young contributed in two big moments that won us the game against Chelsea.
 
Tomuś said:
My first attempt at wumming and you spoil it, thanks.
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Sorry for being Mr Killjoy :D

Brightonian said:
We're going to have to agree to disagree on most of this, because I think you're just plain wrong.

The amount of times people use the 'and Fergie said it' line as if that's some kind of proof is baffling. He also said Giggs was good in the Spurs game. He's often wrong, especially in what he says about a match afterwards.

Ando was good. But he played mostly against ten men, and we had been put firmly in control of the match (performance-wise if not quite goals-wise yet) before he came on. Despite all that, all Arsenal's attacking football from the entire game occurred when he was on the pitch.
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hehe, I remember after the Liverpool game. Every single one of us recognized the fact that Giggs was one of if not the main reason why we were playing so shit in the first place, yet when Fergie was asked about his opinion he said Giggs' experience won us the match. I'll never understand that, so yeah, take everything he says with a pinch of salt, it's not always the holy truth.
 
Yeah I don't think the Ando line from Fergie has anything to do with Clevs performance. He just noted that bringing him on brought a new dynamism to the team, which isn't surprising as a) Ando had fresh legs and b) they're different types of players and that's what Anderson brings to the table. It wasn't so much a "Cleverley was being poor, Ando did much better than him", more a "well I took Cleverley off because I had too, but even though my hand was a bit forced, the sub worked and Ando did better than I expected". That's how I understood it.

I agree though Rooney was very important as he man marked Arteta and completely took him out of the game. But Cleverley's importance shouldn't be underestimated. He was a bit too rash at times, but he played his part pretty well and didn't have a poor game by any standards.
 
It'd be great to see Powell start. Won't happen though.
A win here and he might in the last two games.
 
Quite baffled at no inclusion of Fletcher and Scholes, two players who should arguably be the freshest of our entire squad and can get us a foothold in midfield in any game. Fletcher's case might be a flare up of the colitis which is understandable, but I'm just guessing Scholes is going to play at Villa. I kind of want Nani to start, but I think it's such a tough call as to whether Rooney / van Persie play with Hernandez, or we just start Hernandez and two wingers, and still play three in the middle.
 
Fletch has cold.
Scholes is old and is getting a few games off... so he can do his thing when the fixtures get congested.
 
The traveling fans are going to have a great time.
The Braga stadium looks fantastic.
 
Don't see us coming away with a win from this one to be honest. Especially if Fergie rests Rio.
 
Kid Cunto said:
We'll win tonight, finish top, and get Madrid in the next round.
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And we will beat them. 0-0 at Bernabeu, 1-0 at Old Trafford. Rafael to score the goal near the end of the game, after he kept Ronaldo in his pocket in both matches.
 
An FYI to Irish folks, RTÉ are showing the Celtic v Barca game, so you'll need Sky Sports 4 for this (or a stream).

EDIT: And Setanta Ireland
 
Cina said:
An FYI to Irish folks, RTÉ are showing the Celtic v Barca game, so you'll need Sky Sports 4 for this (or a stream).

EDIT: And Setanta Ireland
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All the bandwagon Celtic fans are back. Havent seen people watch a celtic game in the pubs in Ireland for years unless in one or two in Dublin city centre.
 
#Carl said:
Don't see us coming away with a win from this one to be honest. Especially if Fergie rests Rio.
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Not really necessary either - a draw is basically a win for us because it almost guarantees that we will win the group (which we almost certainly will even with a defeat tonight)
 
girish said:
That would be lovely.

I've always wanted to see a United vs Real, since the Beckham move.
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It'd be entertaining for sure, but I'm not sure how I feel about our chances vs Real, atleast not now anyway since our defense still isn't sorted out.

If there's one group I hope we avoid it's Real's group, either them or Borussia, those are 2 top teams that are probably going to eliminate any team they get in the 1st round.
 
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