According to Sky Sources we are in talks with Real over a potential Ramos move.
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Trying to follow this through tweets and clickbait articles is futile as no one really knows what's happening behind the scenes.
you've basically summarised every transfer in the history of the interweb.
At least its cheaper than ringing clubcall off of teletext as I once got bollocked for doing when I was a nipper...
I'd be worried if we were paying scouts to tell us about unknown talents like Sergio Ramos.
Also mentioned that he would love to sign a new bumper deal at Real.
That's my point, I'm assuming our scouts didn't identify Ramos.
Oh yeah I know mate I wasn't directing that at you! It was at the Marca article.
Cheers. Never thought we'd get Ramos tbh, just hope we don't get shafted by Madrid regarding De Gea.
their source is ballbag and he thinks ramos is doing this for a better contract.Also mentioned that he would love to sign a new bumper deal at Real.
I wonder if the Ronaldo and De Gea ordeals haven't resulted in a slight change of policy at the club?
We may well have decided that there's less value in scouring South America and Southern Europe for talent if they're only going to want off to Madrid or Barcelona once they begin to flourish.
Focus our scouts at home and in the traditional strongholds of North-West and Eastern Europe for talent while looking to bring in proven talent from elsewhere. Problem is that the homegrown "wonderkids" are few and far between lately.
Doubt it. Does it really matter if they bugger off after giving us some golden years? So long as we make a profit on them.
Better to have loved and lost then to not have loved at all, and all that jazz.
May well be right, Memphis is a good example, most Dutch stars seem to have been happy to remain in the PL during their best years.
The Beckham Law (insofar as it applies to people earning over 600k a year, eg: footballers) ended with contracts beginning in 2010. It was only ever relevant for foreign players. So the only players it really affected who are still at Madrid are Ronaldo and Benzema who renewed last year.
We didn't get the golden years of either, we got a couple of good years showing the promise of what was/is to come. We also got the inconsistent development years.
We don't need to make a profit on selling players. We show that by letting the likes of Brown, O'Shea, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Anderson, Bebe and many more go for absolute peanuts. We'll be far more profitable by reestablishing our image as one of the most illustrious and desirable clubs in the world. That's what we were before 2008 but we've lost our way. Partly because of the Ronaldo/De Gea sagas, partly because of a few years of terrible transfer policy and partly because we're developing a reputation for throwing silly money around like the lottery winning hillbilly attending a high society gala for the first time.
Better still to love and grow old together.
Most transfers involving a lot of money are opportunist signings. A Real Madrid scouting manager said that at any given time they're keeping tabs on a couple of hundred players, 20 per position basically, of various ages/specifications/pricetags. That basically includes knowing their contract status and move-ability. Which is why we hear of them being "in the hunt" for just about everyone. On top of that they get the agents who contact them with their latest client updates.
I would guess we're not that different, except they see us as Tescos and we view them as Waitrose (special offers only).
As to Ramos. I do think the situation has more to it than a simple contract renegotiation. The Real Madrid propaganda machine is blaming Ramos' for being greedy. Ramos thinks they are setting him up for the same kind of negative publicity and marginalisation that previous captains have been through there and he might choose to jump now rather than get pushed later.
Anyway, if we get him, he'll be good for us. In fact I think he'll surprise a fair few people who don't watch La Liga much. We'll be a better team and we'll have a better defence. I just hope there aren't any longterm medical issues lurking (he missed a fair few games last year) - if there were it might explain the way Madrid/Perez are seemingly willing to put him on the market.
"Florentino has asked Ramos to stay"
Pedrerol, journalist pro Madrid board, has a sport program in spanish Tv in the lunch time and is the presenter of "El Chiringuito".
"Florentino has asked Ramos to stay"
Pedrerol, journalist pro Madrid board, has a sport program in spanish Tv in the lunch time and is the presenter of "El Chiringuito".
Then De Gea will stay as well
can't see Woodward losing face now to be honest.I see where you are coming from but I am not sure I agree. Obviously Otamendi has been better than Ramos over the last season so I understand why you think he would be an upgrade on Ramos. The worry I would have about Otamendi over Ramos is that I am not sure he could do as well as Ramos has in the high defensive line Madrid have employed for quite a while now. Ramos is faster and Madrid leave much more space at the back than Valencia do and are not set up to protect their defence as much as Valencia are.
I suppose in Otamendi's favour you could argue that due to the gap in quality between Madrid and Valencia, Madrid spend much less time defending than Valencia do and perhaps as a result Ramos gets more of an easy ride (and that is also taking into account that while teams like Madrid generally concede less chances, the chances conceded by teams playing with a high line such as Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern amongst others are much more clear cut and harder to deal with for defenders than chances conceded by teams defending deeper due to there being more space and more 3 v 3 and sometimes 4 v 3 situations for them to handle). Even so, it still shows that signing Otamendi and having him replace Ramos is not without risk and it is not a given that he would be an upgrade when you take into account how Madrid play.
Then again, Benitez is in the hotseat next year so all this talk of a high line might be pretty moot.....
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"Florentino has asked Ramos to stay"
Pedrerol, journalist pro Madrid board, has a sport program in spanish Tv in the lunch time and is the presenter of "El Chiringuito".
Best get ready to get his new contract with a nice big fat salary figure on it then hadn't he.
I do think Ramos will end up staying. Unless Madrid find a new CB signing in the meantime and we offer Ramos a bigger salary.
Sid Lowe (The Guardian) talking about the Ramos transfer
14:50 in
And then they proceeded to put 5 past the Spanish defence.
Just listening now myself, I love that United just absolutely suckerpunched Madrid by bringing up Ramos in a discussion that was supposed to be about de Gea
"Florentino has asked Ramos to stay"
Pedrerol, journalist pro Madrid board, has a sport program in spanish Tv in the lunch time and is the presenter of "El Chiringuito".
I was under the impression El Chiringuito are basically a comedy show that spouts rubbish for amusement.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...claims-arsenal-are-signing-spanish-midfielder
They were full of shit last summer with their Vidal to United stories.
Just listening now myself, I love that United just absolutely suckerpunched Madrid by bringing up Ramos in a discussion that was supposed to be about de Gea
Can't access at office - could you summarize it for us? Thanks
We are always involved in a transfer saga these days. One might even say we do it for marketing purposes...
There's nothing new in it, it's all been reported in the 2 Sid Lowe pieces and the AS/COPE/Herbert pieces.
He said he doesnt know if it will happen but it is more than just Ramos trying to extract a better contract out of Madrid. He seems to imply he suspects it will happen. Then there's a period of a few minutes where they are drowned out by the noise of a motorbike and a siren. Then they start speculating about who might come in to replace him if he leaves.
Ramos issue isn't solely about money, he met with Madrid's sporting director (not Perez) and asked to leave. Madrid said they'd listen to any offers but may decide that it's either buy out or nothing (in other words, if it's buy out only Ramos is going nowhere). United's interest is genuine, they met with Madrid, Madrid thought United were there to negotiate about de Gea, but instead took Madrid aback by talking about Ramos.
Laporte as Ramos replacement
Even if it doesn't result in a better contract and he does actually end up coming to United am I hopeless romantic in preferring us to sign players who move because they badly want to play for Manchester United rather than targetting players whose primary objective is leaving their current club to prove a point, with their choice of destination up in the air?
Yes you are being hopelessly romantic
However, in this case it seems as if United is a right fit for Ramos, because of his dad's love for United. Or the love which Ramos has. Whatever. Read this:
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/feb/10/sergio-ramos-manchester-united
Yes you are being hopelessly romantic
However, in this case it seems as if United is a right fit for Ramos, because of his dad's love for United. Or the love which Ramos has. Whatever. Read this:
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/feb/10/sergio-ramos-manchester-united
Good stuff. That interview appeals to my inner romantic
In this day and age, I think so, yes.
I have given up dreaming of loyalty or real affiliation for the club. For me the age profile is the most important thing. If we are going to shell out more than £30m on a defender Id like to feel we will get many years of service. Plus, as you pointed out many years ago - a point that has stuck with me ever since - when you have a lot of young or old players, you get more injuries, whereas with players in the 23-29 bracket (I cant remember what you suggested was the 'peak years' range) your body is at full strength and you are less likely to get injuries.
So my worry is Ramos may start to get more and more injuries. Did I read somewhere earlier (probably above) that he has been injured a fair bit this season just gone? Could be the beginning of that new phase for him?
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/06/25/en/football/real_madrid/1435220504.html
Should be resolved before 11th July. Even if Ramos and Real Madrid do come into agreement, we should have plenty of time to focus on other targets.
Should be resolved before 11th July. Even if Ramos and Real Madrid do come into agreement, we should have plenty of time to focus on other targets.
That podcast. With the motorbike and the police However, Lowe seems very certain that it not just contract problems. Altho he says that Laporte's buy-out is 30m euros. Surely not?
However, Lowe seems very certain that it not just contract problems. Altho he says that Laporte's buy-out is 30m euros. Surely not?I think this one is 50-50 now. That's very good news for us United fans who have had nothing but misery in the transfer windows leading up to the last. I don't think De Gea is as big a bargaining chip as some think. Madrid arent desperate for him this season, they'll happily wait to get him for free next year but I think Perez wants a big name signing to please the fans. Ramos on the other hand seems like quite a passionate hot head which is why I think he could force his way out of that club.
I really don't understand some of the people complaining about his price tag.
A couple of days ago, Liverpool forked out £29m / €40m for Firmino! Who is Firmino? A 23 year old kid who has done literally next to night with his career. Whilst he may be a great "potential" signing, that fee is quite high considering his CV.
Meanwhile United have apparently bid £32-£35m / approx €45m+ for Sergio Ramos. A 29 year old, Spanish international who has won it all, A world Cup, 2 Euro Championships, 3 La Liga's, 1 Champions League, been voted La Liga defender of the year 3 times and made FIFA's world XI on 5 occasions.
If we get him, it'll be a fantastic bit of business. No doubt about it!
A couple of days ago, Liverpool forked out £29m / €40m for Firmino! Who is Firmino? A 23 year old kid who has done literally next to night with his career. Whilst he may be a great "potential" signing, that fee is quite high considering his CV.
Meanwhile United have apparently bid £32-£35m / approx €45m+ for Sergio Ramos. A 29 year old, Spanish international who has won it all, A world Cup, 2 Euro Championships, 3 La Liga's, 1 Champions League, been voted La Liga defender of the year 3 times and made FIFA's world XI on 5 occasions.
If we get him, it'll be a fantastic bit of business. No doubt about it!
Well you pointed out the Firmino price was high. So we are measuring this deal against another deal that you say was not good value.
Despite that, Firmino is younger - therefore has his best years ahead of him. Plus he is a striker, and they usually cost more than defenders.
So that, in a nutshell, is why some people have their reservations.
Despite that, Firmino is younger - therefore has his best years ahead of him. Plus he is a striker, and they usually cost more than defenders.
So that, in a nutshell, is why some people have their reservations.
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