That podcast. With the motorbike and the policeHowever, Lowe seems very certain that it not just contract problems. Altho he says that Laporte's buy-out is 30m euros. Surely not?
Yes, he's wrong. It was just increased to €50m this summer.
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Yes, he's wrong. It was just increased to €50m this summer.
The Caf.
United don't spend money - Glazers are tight feckers.
United spend money - Clubs throwing their money away.
Lets be frank here ramos won his international trophies part of a side where I could play centre half alongside steven hawking and we they would still have won.. they were getting 80% possession in some games.
Again with madrid he was playing in a side with modric bale ronaldo etc. There wont be much defending to be done their either. He is a 25m defender and thats it.
Again with madrid he was playing in a side with modric bale ronaldo etc. There wont be much defending to be done their either. He is a 25m defender and thats it.
On a website with severeal thousand registered users you are going to get differences of opinion. Its hardly rocket science.
Yes us poor utd fans and miserable windows and lack of shiny new players
Its funny that the last one you refer to, in your opinion this was good? When really it turned out to be a bit shit
strangely, i'm having this "it may happen" feelings.
Fairly sure that's just your digestion process...
€50m more like.That podcast. With the motorbike and the police
www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/05/aymeric-laporte-athletic-bilbao-new-contract
He's also a Mendes man now, by the way
We have though. We've overpaid for shit and let some players go who should be stayed. Last summer was exciting you can't deny that. Although Falcao was poor Di Maria, Herrera, and Shaw have time to give at United.
Of course not, but it's petty that some are complaining about the cost of players. No one should care how much a player costs, it's not our money. Yes have an opinion on a player and how he will fit into the team, but a player is only worth what a Club is willing to pay.
Do not want him. His age aside, he is ridiculously rash for a defender and can be suspect in defence. His ball playing abilities and big name reputation somehow masks that deficiency in his game. Here's a shocking statistic: He's been sent off 19 times in La Liga and received a total of 22 bookings last season. Rio's been sent off only once and gotten 20 bookings in his whole career with us. After Rio, Ramos will be by far the best ball-playing defender we have in the club but as a defender I'm not convinced at all. And if we have to trade De Gea plus 10m, a keeper has still has his best years ahead of him and is on course to becoming one of the best keepers of our generation, I'd say we got the shorter end of the stick.
That podcast. With the motorbike and the police
If AS are right, Laporte renewed in June with a new clause figure of 50m Euros (up from 42m)
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2015/06/05/primera/1433517675_471224.html
Sorry, perhaps I should add more to my comment.
I don't suggest Firmino is a not good value, only time will tell if he can fulfil his potential. If he does reach or even exceed their expectations, what then? Perhaps Madrid or Barcelona will come knocking for the next great South American attacking player, isn't that common these days? So maybe like Ronaldo, De Gea, Suarez, James etc etc, so perhaps Liverpool won't see his best years.
Whereas, Ramos has done it all with Madrid already, he is at the peak of his career and we should still be able to get at least 4 great seasons from him and possibly another good season there after.
I bring it up as last night and today I have seen numerous United supporters stating we are being ripped off with this transfer. When all factors are considered comparing these two particular transfers it really seems like we are getting a good deal.
Also, a mate of mine suggested that we may use Ramos as a RB, most likely as cover for Valencia or McNair. Hence we haven't gone for Clyne. What if United were currently working on deals for not only Ramos but also Otamendi?
Imagine next season we had these options:
LB: Shaw / Blind / Rojo
CB: Ramos / Otamendi / Jones / Smalling / Rojo / McNair
RB: McNair / Jones / Ramos / Valencia
The amount of versatility we have with these two signings would be incredible. That is a defence that can win league titles.
Who do you think should have stayed?
Who made you the authority on what people should or shouldnt care about?
Who made you the authority on asking who the authority is on what people should or shouldn't care about?
Me.
of course i have
but its ironic you pointing it out, considering that all of yours are of biblical proportion
Given how much money many of us pump into United on a yearly basis, I think we're all entitled to have an opinion on how the club spends said money.
Pogba. Maybe Welbeck. Vidic. Possibly Evra. They probably also wanted to move but we were always looking to get rid.
Do you think we have been successful in the transfer windows prior to last season.
No we don't
Maybe.
Im not saying Im ANTI this transfer. Im not sitting here willing it not to happen.
If we sign him for £40m or whatever price is being suggested, Ill be happy that weve signed a great player and Ill hope he doesnt get injured or sent off too often, and that he does well. I wont think we did brilliantly in the transfer market but Im used to that feeling anyway so Ill get over it.
Ill be pissed off if we throw De Gea in for the equivalent of a bag of peanuts but that's about it.
There are other CB possibilities that would excite me more but other than that, if this is the way we go, fine. But when I am next posting in the latest "Woody, what do we think of him now" thread, this deal would for me count as yet another example of Woody overpaying.
I completely understand the whole "its not my money" argument, I have no problem with people feeling that way, in some ways it makes a lot of sense. Its just not how I see it.
Would still need a RB
Vidic, Welbeck and Evra where all last transfer window. I thought you were referring to previous. I would not have objected to any of them staying.
Pogba situation is well documented
I thought Fergies final seasons windows was good. RVP and Kagawa. One had a stunning first season the other very promising. Plus I was very optimistic about Nick Powell
The one before, Lindegaard, Jones, Young DDG. Thats a pretty good window too IMO
Yes you did.Did I say you could have an opinion on my opinion?
Honestly playing in a very good team is a double edge sword, cause half the time you won't get any recognition no matter how good you are. This is "my mum could manage Barcelona" / "Valdes is shit cause Barcelona don't need a goalie" syndrome. And especially in case of Ramos, defending for Real madrid is harder than Spain/Barcelona cause they still play high line without dominating possession like Spain. If nothing you need to be mentally tough to play in all those finals. Also whats up berb !!
Ramos is an excellent passer of the ball. That is what Van Gaal wants. Jones or Smalling can do the donkey work and he can bring the play making to the back line.
Ramos really is one of the best ball-playing defenders I've personally seen. In the Ferdinand levels in my eyes.
I love his "feck you" attitude when defending too. He'd be so likable if he just cut out his diving side of his game. A tickle across his cheek and he's down like a sack of shit. Still, his experience at the back would be insanely good for us. Having him would also make the prospect of Valdes being our #1 more intriguing in fact. Nice to have chemistry to have in the back.
Really hope we get this one. Otamendi would be superb, but Ramos would definitely be a superior option.
I love his "feck you" attitude when defending too. He'd be so likable if he just cut out his diving side of his game. A tickle across his cheek and he's down like a sack of shit. Still, his experience at the back would be insanely good for us. Having him would also make the prospect of Valdes being our #1 more intriguing in fact. Nice to have chemistry to have in the back.
Really hope we get this one. Otamendi would be superb, but Ramos would definitely be a superior option.
I agree with Balague for once. He's probably the best defender in the world.
As good as Rio and Vidic were for us. He's going no where and will be given his contract unless we bid an insane amount for a defender who's best years are not ahead of him. I'd rather shape a slightly younger player into our Ramos personally.
As good as Rio and Vidic were for us. He's going no where and will be given his contract unless we bid an insane amount for a defender who's best years are not ahead of him. I'd rather shape a slightly younger player into our Ramos personally.
Last time I check we are aiming to be that high possession team too. I guess you should call LVG and tell him you are available. Would save United loads of money.
He is right up there. Agreed
I dont think its either, we can still buy ramos and otamendi. We splashed 68m for di maria, and another 70m for both isnt going to break thr bank.
Have faith in woody
Have faith in woody
Such a poor post. Defenders who are as good as Ramos both defensively and with the ball are very rare. Purely on defensive terms, there are quite a few better our there. What he adds to a team with the ball, especially a team that wants to play like we do, is invaluable.
Imo, and I know a lot will disagree, a successful window is when you sign the players you are interested in. Whether they turn out as good as you thought is down to the player and possibly the manager. When we signed Falcao for instance I bet a handful of people predicted he would be the biggest flop of the season (in world football?). I wonder what odds we would have got. Same with Di Maria, who was one of Madrids best players. Who would've thought he was going to struggle here? You can't blame the club for that as everyone at the time had big expectations of the two.
Fergie kept going on about there being no value in the market and he didn't like the idea of spending absurd amounts of money on one player. Yes Rio, Rooney, Veron, Berba in their day we're expensive but I don't think Di Maria is a Fergie type signing. ~60million is a hell of a lot of money for a footballer but that's the way it is now. Times have changed. Maybe we should have bid more, paid the agent fee or higher wages to those such as Hazard, Lucas, Sneijder, Vidal etc the list goes on.
Now under LVG and Woodward I think we will have more successful transfer windows in terms of getting targets. Whether they turn out as well as hoped is another story but we are not holding back the money, which has always been there.
I used to detest City, Madrid, Chelsea, PSG for their transfer policy but it seems it's the only way to progress in world football these days. Even Barca who are renowned for their homegrown players spent many many millions on Neymar and Suarez.
Exactly...the club cannot win with this lot
Depay. Defo not a Fergie type signing...Drama Queen.
Aye, in many ways he's exactly what we need in defence. An experienced, ball playing leader who is barely ever injured and has tonnes of top class experience. Oh, and a nice scalp for Woodward as well. On paper he makes a massive amount of sense.
Still not massively enthused by the idea of signing him though and I don't really know why...
He isnt good defensively thats the point. His positioning is shockingoften caught wrong side of a striker.. makes some crazy decisions. I hope if he signs he proves me wrong.
@RedStarUnited he already called I told him to sign hawkins he has a great brain.
Regardless of whether or not it happens and even putting aside the debate of the quality of Ramos, surely we can all agree it's nice to see us unsettling Real Madrid for once rather than the other way round.
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