I heard it during the Thiago debacle.
Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract
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The minute he hits 30 he's going to be banished from the Spain squad. never to return.
I would not go that far but, I would put it on the record and say I think signing John Stones would be a much better move for the club.
So, Ramos has two European Championships. What a ridiculous argument ffs!
He has, but his preferred position is defensive midfield. Arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world right now.
Just checked the exchange rate. Euro isn't doing to we'll, is it?
The reported wages is still mental tough.
You mean European Championships..
I'm curious what the general opinion is of this, so have added a poll to this thread and featured it on the homepage.
This doesn't excite me, a strange one if it happens. Surely there are better, longer term investments we can make. This feels like a stop gap solution and an expensive one at that. I'm not even convinced he's that great a defender.
This doesn't excite me, a strange one if it happens. Surely there are better, longer term investments we can make. This feels like a stop gap solution and an expensive one at that. I'm not even convinced he's that great a defender.
You've all gone stark raving bonkers.
Am I living in a parallel universe where Sergio Ramos is actually an uncapped, 35 year old, who plays for Malaga?
Not much between them over the last few years but yeah last season in particular I think Ramos over took him. Squawka comparison matrix below. Not sure how Pepe has the better overall defensive score when Ramos out performs him in every stat I added to it
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Based on last season La Liga performances
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...els_won/blocks/clearances/interceptions#total
I don't know how the "defensive score" is formed there but from what I see Pepe has double the score Ramos has.
Here's a better picture:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._cards/defensive_errors/chances_created#total
Check their stats for cards, tackles lost and fouls committed for the last three years. Pepe has always outperformed Ramos:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._cards/defensive_errors/chances_created#total
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._cards/defensive_errors/chances_created#total
More inexperience in the back line, thats exactly what we need
According to El Partido de las 12 in the meeting today Ramos said that he wants the club to listen offers. Jose Angel Sánchez (general director) said that they had received an offer, 50/55 million euros, and the club said no. According to the journalists Madrid wants 100/110 mil € and they want him to stay. Ramos accepted it, insisting to the club to listen if the offers get better.
Edit: the offer is individual and not including de Gea
Edit: the offer is individual and not including de Gea
As much as I have defended him on here tonight, If the choice was between Otamendi and Ramos I would probably go or Otamendi.
He's younger, he is equally as good as Ramos and if the quotes are to be believed then Otamendi wants to join us and I think he'd link up perfectly with Rojo in the years ahead. Two hard as nails Argies in the back 4! Happy days!
I would much rather not sign anyone than spend on another young English defender
Guess it's that time of year again..
The initial post that you quoted I already mentioned club level, we're not talking Euros or internationals.
Ramos started as a right back, he also played on numerous occasions as a DM. Mascherano has played in most of his career at Barca as a CB and is more decorated than Ramos, does that make him a better CB?
Rojo hard as nails?
Just imagine if we signed Ramos independently of a DDG deal, and then Ramos convinced him to stay. 
Too much to ask for, sure, but I've love to royally shaft over Real Madrid for once.
Too much to ask for, sure, but I've love to royally shaft over Real Madrid for once.Guess it's that time of year again..
Nope, I thought they were both as good as each other, was never a huge fan of Puyol, I loved the way he left everything on the pitch but I just don't see the fuss. Just my opinion though.
Just imagine if we signed Ramos independently of a DDG deal, and then Ramos convinced him to stay.
...........De Gea
RB-Ramos-Smalling-Shaw
Like you say those defensive scores seem odd, the links you posted show Ramos out performing Pepe in every aspect also so how on earth Pepe comes out with the better "over all defensive score" doesn't make sense for me.
I said it earlier here that up to this season I didn't see a huge difference between the two of them, but I do think Ramos over took him in the season just gone though.
Finally, a saga.
If we spend stupid amounts on this cnut ahead of Otamendi
Possibly it does, but why would that take away from Ramos being one of the best in the world today?
I simply stated that Ramos is one of the better CB's in our generation, not that he was the greatest of all time. Which is more than fair.
But the thing is we don't need long term investments at CB, we need quality, experience and leadership. Honestly, I don't think there is anybody better than Ramos for what we are looking for. If you add the fact that he is very good with the ball at his feet, he is the perfect choice. You call it a quick fix, but I think it's more of a necessity.
Definitely. That's the last thing we need, it's not even a debate really. We need experience to compliment the potential we already have.
Rojo hard as nails?
Well compared to the rest of the softies in our back four, yeah!!
It's staggering how often people like you have to explain this very simple reasoning to idiots. Not much you can do in the face of raging agendas.
No.
Your initial quote was:
Which IMO is bollocks.
Here's another thread 3 years ago:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/top-tier-cbs-in-the-world-right-now.354049/
where there is 1 mention of Ramos that shortly gets dismissed afterwards by couple of posters.
This thread is a bit like the one with Firmino. We're linked with him everyone is excited, he signs for Pool and he's shite.
Ramos is one of the better CB's yes, but nothing more. Kompany gets trashed week in and week out for some mistakes and believe me, they are not more than what Ramos does.
Voted "not bad" because of a few things. His reported transfer fee is going to be huge, even with De Gea included. With someone who is 29, that is way too much money, the drop off in performance comes very, very quickly. The wages he is going to demand is going to off the charts, most likely equal to Rooney. His disciplinary record is something to watch as well, actually it's horrendous.
Evans - injury prone and lost confidence
Jones - injury prone / accident waiting to happen
Smelling - injury prone
Rafael - injury prone
Shaw - injury prone
Rojo - seems to have caught the same injury prone bug
Carrick and Valencia have had to play defence
This is why Ramos is not only ideal (experience, skilled, leader, flexible, not injury prone) he is a necessity
Jones - injury prone / accident waiting to happen
Smelling - injury prone
Rafael - injury prone
Shaw - injury prone
Rojo - seems to have caught the same injury prone bug
Carrick and Valencia have had to play defence
This is why Ramos is not only ideal (experience, skilled, leader, flexible, not injury prone) he is a necessity
I really do not think the defensive situation is as dire as people are making it out to be. Jones and Smalling looked like a capable pairing late in the season and Rojo should improve next season since he has had a year to adjust to the club and English Football. I think we just need another CB to battle out with Jones, Smalling and Rojo since we have reached the point of no return with Evans.
Seems unlikely, and I never liked him, and think he's overrated as there are so few top CBs these days.
But if he wants to wear red he's welcome to the club.
But if he wants to wear red he's welcome to the club.
"He'll go down as a great CB from our generation, no doubt about it."
He is simply one of a few.
How the feck are you getting from that quote, Ramos = The single, greatest CB of our generation?
Don't twist my words, don't create things that simply aren't there.
I think at up to £35 he would be a great signing.
Proving winner. The experienced centre back we need.
It would be a fantastic challenge for him. I can see him going for it personally...
Proving winner. The experienced centre back we need.
It would be a fantastic challenge for him. I can see him going for it personally...
We finished 4th, quite a bit of that was due to our defensive issues. Next season we're aiming to win the league and challenge for the UCL, we need better players
Who do we think would benefit most from being alongside Ramos in a partnership then?
Jones-Ramos would be a little to volatile for me
Wouldn't mind seeing Ramos-Smalling/Evans though...
Jones-Ramos would be a little to volatile for me
Wouldn't mind seeing Ramos-Smalling/Evans though...
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