Shinji Kagawa | Signs for Manchester United
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I think in general clev and ando did leave a lot off room, but as others have said at times so have Carrick and Scholes. In general though a midfield containing Carrick will obviously be more secure. The problem as I see it though is that unless it's Fletcher partnering Carrick, against the better teams/adventurous teams in the league we'll come under pressure, more so then we should. Scholes is great against teams who sit back and try to keep it tight because he isn;t under pressure as much and doesn't need to worry about midfield runners. When we play against teams willing to have a go though such as Everton, he struggles because he has to put in more work physically and he simply doesn't have the legs, particularly today where most play 3 in the middle.
Ando varies and can be quite solid but also can leave holes, similarly with Giggs. I haven't seen enough of Clev in a deeper role but from what I have seen although I know whilst he'll work hard, he won't be as effective defensively because I think he gets attracted to the ball and doesn't know when/where to drop in to tighten it up/cover for people.
That's why I think regardless of if we get this guy or not it won't make a big difference unless we address the centre. In the big games we're still going to find it tough because only Carrick provides solid defensive cover. The other top teams around us play two players who are solid in the middle. Consider the City game, we put Park in the middle because Fergie thought we needed extra defensive power there, something we did in a few other games as well. He didn't trust Rooney and Welbeck to give enough cover. Is he going to trust Kagawa or another attacking midfielder to give more cover than either of them?
Ando varies and can be quite solid but also can leave holes, similarly with Giggs. I haven't seen enough of Clev in a deeper role but from what I have seen although I know whilst he'll work hard, he won't be as effective defensively because I think he gets attracted to the ball and doesn't know when/where to drop in to tighten it up/cover for people.
That's why I think regardless of if we get this guy or not it won't make a big difference unless we address the centre. In the big games we're still going to find it tough because only Carrick provides solid defensive cover. The other top teams around us play two players who are solid in the middle. Consider the City game, we put Park in the middle because Fergie thought we needed extra defensive power there, something we did in a few other games as well. He didn't trust Rooney and Welbeck to give enough cover. Is he going to trust Kagawa or another attacking midfielder to give more cover than either of them?
That was our biggest problem this season, no balance. We were either solid at the back and timid going forward or great going forward and shit at the back. Injuries didn't help but I expect better.
Just a mention, we haven't officially sign him. All this talk about playing positions may come to nought in the end 
Have we agreed to sell him to Real yet?
what?
yes fee is £100M, but that will be used to clear the debt.
Are we waiting for him to return from Japan then?
Not sure, I have a feeling we've done deals before when a player isn't actually in Manchester? or?
Well yeah but I cant see Gill flying to Japan right now can you?
Why not, I'd do it for him if he doesn't fancy it, would love 5 days in Tokyo.
Didnt vdv take 15 shots vs us by himself
Yeah, from about 40 yards. He took the piss that day.
Anderson is shite
there i've said it
if we want to build a midfield that is good at retaining possession then we need midfielders who can consistently pass the ball, not one who fires the bloody thing like a cannonball then wonders why his team-mates couldn't get to it
there i've said it
if we want to build a midfield that is good at retaining possession then we need midfielders who can consistently pass the ball, not one who fires the bloody thing like a cannonball then wonders why his team-mates couldn't get to it
A twat on Facebook (Chelsea fan) just put "we're signing hazard and hulk, United are gettin' Kagawa (lol) and arsenal are signing a Japanese teen called Fu kin no wan".
fecking arrogant Chelsea fans.
fecking arrogant Chelsea fans.
Arrogant, bloody ignorant.
Tell him "Bayern fans probably sang the same tune 2 years ago"
The same Bayern team that totally dominated them were ripped apart by Kagawa just a week or so earlier.
That's guff geebs. Go look up his chalkboards I posted in his thread, his mobility and passing are excellent.
Totally agree. I don't get the love affair many on here seem to have with him. He hasn't progressed at all in 5 years.
That probably has something to do with the fact that he only plays about 10 fecking games a season because of injury!
Incredibly frustrating player. Sell him.
Would be really bad business, you'd never get a job for me.
I haven't been Andersons' biggest fan over the past two years but I think often he suffers at not having one position in one formation whenever he plays. As much as he's frustrated me, he's definitely not a 442 CM, and when the team plays 433 nobody is really used to it, it seems a bit rusty and with players like Giggs/Park in the middle who aren't really suited to it naturally, so I can sympathise with Anderson and imagine him doing well at another club, but I don't see a long term future for him at United.
this is make or break season for him imho, he needs to prove his fitness first and foremost
To be honest I'm suprised at this post by you. You are normally pretty rational and spot on but in this case I can't agree. He is obviously not shite, just extremely unlucky with injuries. He proved at the start of this season what he is capable of but is just frustratingly unlucky with getting so many injuries. If you said to sell him because he has a terrible record with injuries then that is understandable, but he is in no way shite.
Same for Cleverley I guess?
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the opinion, they're not the same thing as Cleverley is in his first full season for us whereas Anderson has been here much longer.
So Anderson has much more experience despite being the same age. While Cleverley was having injury hit seasons in the reserves, Watford and Wigan, Anderson was playing in 2 Champions League finals, winning 1, as well as winning 4 Leagues and 2 Leage cups.
When he was fit, he was playing. Surely that's a better CV than Cleverley and therefore should be considered when we are talking about either being sold?
He really shouldn't, and it's got nothing to do with his passing, although he regularly tries the hollywood ball instead of keeping it simple. He gets overrun when he plays there, notably against Wigan, where they had more possession than us.
Cleverley may not have played a lot last season but he looked good pretty much every time he did. Anderson was still inconsistent and had some shocking games amidst his good ones, as has been the case for the last 5 years, even if you disregard his injury problems. I don't see the situations as the same, Anderson has had more opportunities because he's been given 5 seasons here, Cleverley was loaned out and this was his first season with the club.
You've said it but you're well off the mark. There is no way Anderson is shit at football. No way. It's an absurd claim.
Couldnt agree more, I would say though he will be on the treatment table long before Christmas.
People have been saying that the last two years. He'll have a few promising games, a few mediocre games, a few shit ones and then get hurt for the season. People will then cite his age, his transfer fee/potential sell on fee (next to nothing since he never plays), cite the few good games he did have and say that it would be daft to let him go.
I hope that I am proven wrong, I really do, but this is the same pattern that has been occurring basically since he got here.
Against Wigan? when we lost 1-0?
Because Anderson was deemed good enough and Cleverley was no where near? I trust Ferguson on this...
Figure out who he's actually talking about before you try and catch him out
Catch him out?
Wasn't trying to catch anyone out. He's talking about Giggs though I see, I assumed Anderson, hence the confusion.
Giggs playing "hollywood balls" though, really? He must have a different idea of a hollywood ball than me. Anderson tries them, Becks is the best in the World at them. Giggs just tries the "difficult thing" too often in certain games.
His point was that he should be sold on the basis that he isn't available often enough. That's only what I'm referring to. Which is why I said regardless of the rights and wrongs of the opinion. Different players mature different ways phsyically. And the demands of first team football are different.
If you take their careers as a whole into account of course it might look different, though I'm not sure I'd be in any rush to say Anderson's been any better than okay in his time with us, as a whole. I'd give him another season unless we get a crazy offer, though. If there isn't an improvement in terms of performance (and consistency) and availability then I think a hard decision has to be made.
What would be great is if he returns after the summer slim and ready and not looking like he's a stone overweight. Fingers crossed...
So he was better at a younger age? Awesome. So how does that help us now at his current age? Some players develop at different times, no point in comparing them at any other time than right now.
Yes. We decided to drop Scholes entirely and play a midfield two of Carrick and Giggs, and got totally overrun.
I don't think that he's shit. Honestly, I can't pinpoint exactly what's his problem (apart from his regular injuries). I mean, the boy is strong, he's fast, he's pretty technically gifted and he can deliver great passes when he wants to. However he lacks that football brain to use his skills to be effective.
I do understand and share your frustration about him though.
Why you no sign yet Shinji?!
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