Not happening for him so far.
We will have to wait.
We will have to wait.
Shinji Kagawa
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He'll be alright. We've already seen enough of him to trust in that ability. He's still getting goals and assists for us despite being a bit off the pace.
I hope he doesn't turn out another Berb. Excellent player we should never have bought because he doesn't fit the way Fergie wants to play.
Fergie doesn't seem to know where he wants to play him. I still want us to give him a run in the centre of midfield. Not his natural position but I think it could work there. It's the only place I see him fitting into without us having to sacrifice other players.
Yeah, it was clear in first half that he was struggling, Fletcher injured him.
you tit.Needs to be played off the centre forward or on the left in a 4-2-3-1 to get the best out of him.
Doing alright in terms of goals and assists, but looks to be lacking confidence in his all-around game.
If we play the diamond formation I would love to see us line up as
------Rooney----RvP---------
------------Kagawa-----------
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---Anderson-----Cleverley--
-----------Carrick-------------
That team would ruin lives after a few games of getting used to playing that way.
Doing alright in terms of goals and assists, but looks to be lacking confidence in his all-around game.
If we play the diamond formation I would love to see us line up as
------Rooney----RvP---------
------------Kagawa-----------
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---Anderson-----Cleverley--
-----------Carrick-------------
That team would ruin lives after a few games of getting used to playing that way.
The problem is when you play him in behind the striker, you're only going to fit one of Rooney, RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez into the team. When you play him out wide, you only get one of Young, Nani and Valencia in the team. He's an excellent player but he just doesn't seem to fit.
That diamond formation would work for him, but I don't know if the formation would work for us. As I've said, just play him and Carrick alongside each other, with Kagawa being the more attacking one and Carrick the more reserved. I still think that could work.
Kagawa doesn't have the defensive skills to play in midfield, in my opinion. Even if you have Carrick sitting there it won't be enough.
Personally, I think we need to switch to a 4-2-3-1 rather than the diamond. With Kagawa as first choice left sided attacker, Rooney behind RvP and Nani on the right.
Kagawa is at his best when he is high up the pitch with plenty of runners off the ball to pick out. Playing him deep exposes his poor defensive ability and negates his most positive features.
I'm worried that he will be another Veron/Berba/Anderson. A player with obvious quality that Fergie somehow can't fit into a role that suits the player.
It wouldn't work well and we have better players in that position. He is too weak both physically and defensively to play there, and his long passing game isn't particularly impressive either. It's quite obvious that his best work happens in the attacking third.
I think Kagawa has showed now he's much better in a more advanced role where although he can come back to help out it's not a proper requirement. For the bulk of the first half where he had to stick to the left he seemed quite uncomfortable defensively. Once we started playing a bit faster and he could push up, and drift he looked much better.
I wouldn't put him at the head of the diamond as we currently play it because once again it was Rooney who really had to get back lots to get alongside Fletcher and I don't think Kagawa could do that as well. Really think if we played a 4231/433 and pushed him to a more advanced wider role with at least 2 players behind him it would free him up defensively and give him more freedom in the way nasri, silva, mata and hazard get cause he makes stuff happen in those positions.
I wouldn't put him at the head of the diamond as we currently play it because once again it was Rooney who really had to get back lots to get alongside Fletcher and I don't think Kagawa could do that as well. Really think if we played a 4231/433 and pushed him to a more advanced wider role with at least 2 players behind him it would free him up defensively and give him more freedom in the way nasri, silva, mata and hazard get cause he makes stuff happen in those positions.
It probably hasn't helped that we've dicked about with his role a bit. His confidence is visibly lower at the moment given his propensity to play the first time pass backwards as well as his general lack of expression at times relative to what he's capable of. Think we need to play him switching up with Rooney and Van Persie between central and left areas, but irrespective of that he needs to be looking for the ball more and turning with it. These are things that should come with more games, to be fair.
Let's wait until he comes back. He did alright for playing with a twisted knee. By then, we should have our side mostly figured in terms of style and shape. Hopefully, when he comes back, he can slot right in.
Bad luck with the injury. Hopefully it turns out to only be minor and he is back in a few weeks.
All it will take is another injury to Rooney, and I reckon we'll be very happy to have a player of Kagawa's quality in the squad. It's not like we broke the bank to get him (ala Berbatov,) and it was his dream to come here, so I'm pretty sure he knew what he'd be going up against (namely Wayne Rooney.) So I think we should just be happy to have a gifted young player like Kagawa in the squad.
Or an injury to RVP (hardly far-fetched,) could mean moving Rooney up top, and Kagawa playing behind him (I recall them looking pretty good together in the pre-season.)
Don't know why there is so much worry in such a talented player, got an assist, didn't provide us with his usual cutting edge and passing but still managed to get a normal display in. You can clearly see his speed rapidly dropping after the injury which was like in the 20 minute mark thus it would be really harsh to rate him in this match.
He'll come good which ever role he gets because he's a player that will hardly lose the ball and will create chances and will provide intelligent movement up front.
He's already bringing in so much positives to this squad. We'll see how he continues to adjust and adapt to our style of play but still I have very high hopes of Shinji and I can only foresee him getting better and better as he's still very young.
He'll come good which ever role he gets because he's a player that will hardly lose the ball and will create chances and will provide intelligent movement up front.
He's already bringing in so much positives to this squad. We'll see how he continues to adjust and adapt to our style of play but still I have very high hopes of Shinji and I can only foresee him getting better and better as he's still very young.
Good 30 minutes...before doing his knee and then spending the rest of the half trying to run it off.
The thing about Kagawa that is obvious to me is...he's playing tentatively atm. It's seeping into even basic things, his 1st touch(which is exquisite) let him down badly on a couple of occasions, on relatively simple plays. Because he's tentative, he's also overthinking things, so has been caught in possession a few times.
As the man himself said, not at his best yet for United - and that's for a whole host of reasons. Others have gelled seamlessly, unfortunately it's not happened for him yet, but I expect him to show his true form and class in the 2nd half of the season.
The thing about Kagawa that is obvious to me is...he's playing tentatively atm. It's seeping into even basic things, his 1st touch(which is exquisite) let him down badly on a couple of occasions, on relatively simple plays. Because he's tentative, he's also overthinking things, so has been caught in possession a few times.
As the man himself said, not at his best yet for United - and that's for a whole host of reasons. Others have gelled seamlessly, unfortunately it's not happened for him yet, but I expect him to show his true form and class in the 2nd half of the season.
He was good last night, wasn't he? Why are you guys pretending like this performance has shown he isn't fitting in?
If anything, I thought he solved his role in the diamond a lot better than vs Newcastle, and got a lot more involved creatively. Got one assist and was wrongly robbed of another when he served Hernandez an open goal.
If anything, I thought he solved his role in the diamond a lot better than vs Newcastle, and got a lot more involved creatively. Got one assist and was wrongly robbed of another when he served Hernandez an open goal.
He's a great asset to the squad. Can't see how anyone would doubt that.
Steve Bartram @stevebartram1
Shinji Kagawa out for 3-4 weeks. SAF: "It's a similar (knee) injury to the one Ashley Young had." #MUFC
Shinji Kagawa out for 3-4 weeks. SAF: "It's a similar (knee) injury to the one Ashley Young had." #MUFC
"He's going to be out for three to four weeks. Playing on with the injury didn't help the situation for him."
Might be a blessing for Shinji anyway, it's been a tough start and finding the right position for him has been hard.
I'm sure after a few weeks rest and the initial shock of a new league he will be back to the player he was at Dortmund. He's definitely only at 70% right now.
I'm sure after a few weeks rest and the initial shock of a new league he will be back to the player he was at Dortmund. He's definitely only at 70% right now.
3-4 weeks isn't to bad at the moment I suppose. Would have preferred shorter, but we have plenty of attacking options fit at the moment so it won't impact the team to badly.
Players need time to adapt. Look at David Silva. Pretty anonymous first season bar a couple of neat goals... then properly came to life in his second season. I reckon Shinji will follow a similar pattern.
So he will miss both Chelsea games and also the Arsenal one? Blow.
"He's going to be out for three to four weeks. Playing on with the injury didn't help the situation for him."
Bloody hell it was stupid to let him continue. He looked in discomfort straight away. I know we have little luck with injuries but we bring a lot of problems on ourselves
"He's going to be out for three to four weeks. Playing on with the injury didn't help the situation for him."
Why do we keep playing players who are injured and then come out with these stupid statements that it wasn't good for them?
Why do we keep playing players who are injured and then come out with these stupid statements that it wasn't good for them?
He's probably sending a message out to the players about the consequences of playing on through an injury. Unless the player has done some serious damage then it's generally his decision about whether to stay on the pitch, the physio can't force him off.
It's a loss but he wouldn't have started against Chelsea or Arsenal anyway.
I dont agree with that Cina. It's very possible he would have but that's besides the point.
Blessing in disguise reckon! He could spend some time studying the game in this league as well as sorting out his English communication a bit. Hopefully he won't be rushed because we'll need him during the Christmas period.
Welcome to Manchester United!
A proper United player now.
A proper United player now.
I don't understand this argument at all. It's not like he couldn't do that regardless of being crooked or not?
Very true.No way an injury is a blessing in disguise.There is just not a possible to turn into a positive.
Again stupid decision to let him play on when it was the knee that hurt him.I mean why does SAF allow the player to keep on playing injured even if they really badly want to.A twist isn't something to take lightly and it wasn't like he was a key player badly needed
Out for a month FFS.
Can I start Titanic joke now?
Not too bad. That is around a week more than was originally said.
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