I should have said "around him" tbh.
Shinji Kagawa
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I should have said "around him" tbh.
Either way the whole thing sounds pretty homoerotic.
Says an expert on the subject.
Don't get on my wrong side Frenchie, otherwise I'll get on your back side.
And that's how they flirt out Wesht.
I remember watching Japan's match against Italy in the Confederations cup and I remember how well he played in a left sided attacking role. He was amazing that night. Here is a video of his performance, surely we can use him like Japan did in that game.
I am going to cry if he doesn't start playing. If Ashley Young plays ahead of him again, I may even go straight to self-mutilation.
At least there is a upside then.
To get the best out of Kagawa you need a sophisticated brand of technical/tactical football, he just doesn't have that express pace to determine games single-handedly independently of the style or quality of his team mates. Likes of Dortmund and Japan both have plenty of movement and short-passing style... so its not a surprise he's not set the world alight yet, whether he will do so depends on the players Moyes brings in.
Someone like Oscar is so dynamic that he'd be effective in any team, Kagawa isn't as versatile or gifted with the same physical attributes... so far it reminds me of the Berbatov signing, hopefully it won't end up like that.
Someone like Oscar is so dynamic that he'd be effective in any team, Kagawa isn't as versatile or gifted with the same physical attributes... so far it reminds me of the Berbatov signing, hopefully it won't end up like that.
Exactly, he unfortunately lacks outright pace. He needs the team to be built around him like Dortmund to be 100% effective. If we can supply with him the ball around the box, and have runners either side and infront of him, he will be brilliant.
So far though trying to use him as a winger isn't really working, its round pegs in square boxes.
Dortmund fans launch campaign to 'free' Shinji Kagawa from Manchester United:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-to-free-Shinji-Kagawa-from-Manchester-United
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-to-free-Shinji-Kagawa-from-Manchester-United
I'm sure he's going to make that LM position his own. We'll probably use him in a similar way that Pienaar was used at Everton - with the RM keeping the width.
I dreamt we loaned him to WBA with an option to buy for 5mil last night 
In reality though, I think Moyes is just being careful with his fitness. At least, I hope that's what's going on anyway.
In reality though, I think Moyes is just being careful with his fitness. At least, I hope that's what's going on anyway.
Personally I think he's very technically gifted. However, he seems a luxury player. I like your comparison with Berbatov. He would be very useful when we have most of the possession - basically against weaker teams at Old Trafford. He doesn't seem have required power, strength, or defensive side to his game needed in the Premiership at present, which is likely holding him back from being a regular choice.
If Dortmund are so keen on him I'd say a swap with Gundogan would suit United's needs.
It'd be better for Utd but not so much for Dortmund sadly.
2 league games into the season and people who have no clue about anything think he's been hard done by. I was entertained by their little 'campaign' but he's going to get his chances.
For a player who hasn't done a right lot since joining, he's had a hell of a lot of praise from the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Sir Alex and Moyes during pre-season. He'll get games and hopefully he plays with more of a killer instinct this year. He said that he was disappointed with himself last year, so I assume he's up for the challenge.
For a player who hasn't done a right lot since joining, he's had a hell of a lot of praise from the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Sir Alex and Moyes during pre-season. He'll get games and hopefully he plays with more of a killer instinct this year. He said that he was disappointed with himself last year, so I assume he's up for the challenge.
Totally agree, just I said 'gifted with physical attributes'... imagine if he had the work-rate and pace of Park, he'd be a definite starter. A swap would be ideal.
They can use Sahin in place of Gundogan and Kagawa can replace Goetze (even though they've already replaced him with Mkhityran) win-win!
Pipe dream, agreed. As much of a fan of Kagawa Klopp is, he won't even think about that swap, especially not at this late stage.
Besides, I really want Kagawa to be successful here.
Atletico Madrid want him on loan according to the Daily Mail.
Atletico and Dortmund want him on loan.
This will probably be a done deal, just to nicely wrap up our retarded summer of retardedness.
This will probably be a done deal, just to nicely wrap up our retarded summer of retardedness.
Stop panicking....
Source (other than DM) ?
What a load of bollocks. Had a very disrupted pre-season, it's clear we're taking it carefully with him and Hernandez. He's not going anywhere and I'm convinced under Moyes he's going to be brilliant.
Mainly the Daily Mail. I was being more sarcastic than actually thinking this is a concrete rumor.
Why would we loan Kagawa out, that's one of the most stupid things I've read. The tabloids are getting as desperate for a story as we are for a signing!
Where did Kagawa actually play for Dortmund? And in what formation?
Played behind Lewandowski in a 4-2-3-1, and was their best player the season before we bought him.
I don't think it matters that much where he plays - out left or behind the striker. As long as there's good off the ball movement his intelligence and vision will carry him through regardless of position.
It does genuinely annoy me how little we seem to play him. Even if it's not his preferred position, he's still better at everything Tom Cleverley does than Tom Cleverley. Except perhaps looking like Tom Cleverley.
To be fair, they do look alike.
As a No.10 in their 4-2-3-1 (behind Lewandovski). He was one of their three best players and likely their best in the second part of the season (though Hummels was in overall season the best player not only in Dortmund, but in entire Bundesliga). Almost everything Dortmund created went through Shinji.
We were seriously considering sending him out on loan?
Madness
Madness
The lack of movement in our team is a big factor, I agree with that. That will need to improve to get the best out of players like Kagawa. Regarding his speed, he isnt a slouch at all and in his position, he doesnt need to be rapid at all. He is working on his strength too which will hold him in good stead for the future.
We'l need to use him well though and I have full faith in Moyes to do so. Him playing as a tucked in wide player on the left is where I think we'l use him with an overlapping fullback alongside him.
Just dump Rooney and play him there for a while. Hopefully that opportunity turns up sometime during the season when Rooney loses form.
I've read a lot about Shinji being well suited to high pressing which they did a lot up at Dortmund, his stamina is an issue but for me he's technically good enough to play on the left and still be very creative. I don't subscribe to this 'XYZ needs to play here to be successful', if you're a top player you should be able to play anywhere in the area of field where you play. Left, Right, through the middle, wherever. The key is more get the right team balance and functioning as a unit. As you say going off Moyes' tenure at Everton Shinji looks very well suited to the Pienaar role.
After all the effort we've gone through to keep Rooney, we arent going to dump him anytime soon.
He plays from the left for Japan from what I gather. And it isnt as if he'l be asked to play as a winger anyways. It'l be a role similar to Puenaar's and one I think he'l excel in.
Our movement needs to improve though.
If that was the case there'd be no need for positions, very archaic way of thinking. Why would Barcelona be built around Messi and the false 9, would Xavi be as effective as a left winger? could Scholes play up front for Stoke City?
Positions and the way your team mates cater to your needs is very important especially at elite football where it is vital that you play in a system where your strengths are maximised and weaknesses minimised as results are very important and there are a lot of eyes watching/game analysis. Certain types of players, particularly playmakers who can dribble.. are often badly used in English football because of that very belief, the team is not built around them and thus they get marked out of the game easily .. it is only teams which possess a fluid shape which gets the best out of number 10 types as they become very hard to pick up, Kagawa is such a player and as is typical in England, he's been shunted out wide as an orthodox left winger in his first season.
For Japan he plays on the left, but with the freedom that when he wants to drift, the side knows exactly how to react to this and they make runs accordingly.. hence why he was such a danger to a pretty decent Italian side.
If he had an engine and a tad more grit, he'd be our answer to Scholes but as it stands.. he wouldn't be more effective than Cleverley in that midfield position, not against top sides.. Carrick would be left to hold the midfield together alone. Its worth a punt though against smaller sides or if we're chasing a goal.
If he is going to be successful in a Pienaar type position, he really needs an aggressive left back alongside him.. one whose a goal threat/crossing machine in his own right, someone like Marcelo would be perfect but obviously Baines might be a better shot at least being that sort of player... Evra and Shinji is about as penetrative as Pele without pills - none of them want to go round the outside and put the ball in, so teams can just tuck in and reduce the space in which Shinji can work in.
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