He has been with us one season and I can't think for the life of me why we would do this?
Shinji Kagawa
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He has been with us one season and I can't think for the life of me why we would do this?
Me either but theres a conversation about it on twitter. The link itself is odd, I think probably because both players were not in their respective squads today
Very disappointing to see his talents being wasted. Either use him more or send him back to Dortmund.
You miss my point, Cina. Why buy Kagawa in the first place if we were serious about doing this?
Hope he starts being appreciated soon
Fergie bought Kagawa, Summit. If Moyes doesn't rate him, he's not just going to back down purely because he's only been here one year.
Well start with Kagawa and have Nani on bench. Shinji would have been better than a number of players who started.
We have serious problems if Moyes doesn't rate the previous Bundesliga player of the year. However, your point does stand though, maybe Moyes really doesn't see him as a fit into our team?
'Moyes was also asked about Kagawa. #MUFC boss says he had to make a straight choice between Nani/Kagawa for place on bench.'
Wow that's simply mind boggling. In a team thats lacking through the middle, even more so with Rooney's injury, Kagawa cant even make the bench.
Wow that's simply mind boggling. In a team thats lacking through the middle, even more so with Rooney's injury, Kagawa cant even make the bench.
We are calling for him to start, but he can't even get a place on the bench.Kagawa responded to these recent rumours surrounding his future by declaring that he wishes to stay and fight for his place in the team, Moyes' answer to this is that he'll have to start from third or fourth in line for the left wing.
Great motivation from Dave there.Perhaps Moyes felt some kinship with a fellow Dave also struggling to succeed in the No 10 role? Not been a good week for Daves but misery loves company.
If there's a silver lining, it's that there was an implication that neither he nor Nani are 100% fit.
He never won that, not sure why so many still think he did.
I don't know why Moyes doesn't rate him (if that's true) because frankly he's a far superior version of Pienaar, who was one of his favourite players. Maybe there's just something else we don't know about going on.
That seems the most logical explanation at this stage.
Its annoying knowing we have a top quality player at the club but for whatever reason we insist on playing Young and to some extent Giggs. The team is crying out for some creativity, Kagawa must either be extremely shit in training or he's injured, how anybody who's ever seen a game of football can pick Young ahead of him I dont know.
Whys that funny?
You are right, but he needs to play. If Moyes doesn't think he fits in with how he wants to play, which is a worry in itself, then it will be better for the lad himself. He is far too good to warm the bench. Exactly he has just been here one season as you say, but Moyes seems to be writing him off already.
Don't know why height is being discussed. Crouch is much taller than Gattuso but I know who I'd rather have a scrap with.
I made the point yesterday (has been made by others too) that whilst I see similarities in the way Pienaar was used and how Kagawa could be used Pienaar is much better defensively. He's more tenacious than Shinji and much better going backwards.
I made the point yesterday (has been made by others too) that whilst I see similarities in the way Pienaar was used and how Kagawa could be used Pienaar is much better defensively. He's more tenacious than Shinji and much better going backwards.
Because it's ridiculous.
Because we are all assuming he was unfit, as there could be no other reason why he wouldn't start. When in actual fact, it was because Kagawa couldn't get a place on the bench ahead of a winger. Kagawa isn't really comparable to Nani IMO, or maybe I'm wrong? But I believe there is room for Nani and Kagawa in the same team, as Kagawa should be played behind the striker.
Was Moyes' old man on the Burma Railway or something?
Really missed him today - he's such a brilliant footballer, yet doesn't seem to get playing time and plays second fiddle to someone like Young. Such a shame. Let's just hope that it was because Moyes feels he's not ready yet. Not him for Güngodan - rather have both and give them Young as a token of gratitude.
He should have played instead of Giggs for sure. We hardly created any chances in the last 180 mins and Kagawa would just be perfect for our current team.
Hopefully Moyes sees that rather soon
Hopefully Moyes sees that rather soon
The initial discussion was size which was a moot point.
Lots of negative comments about Young; some deserved, others no so. But it seems to me as though he's never really shown any sort of form for many a month now and Kagawa offers far more, especially against teams that play a packed defence. Young's a direct player with pace going forward that he often seems to lose when he gives the ball away upfield. Kagawa's ability to use even the tightest space to his advantage is something else he has over Young (and Giggs for that matter). In Dortmund, he was a key player, especially when there was more workmanlike players around him to win the ball.
Nothing against Young.
But Kagawa behind Van Persie is far more lethal than Wellback behind VP.
Nani is obviously out of form.
Giggs should have played the second half instead of first half since he would look a lot faster in the second half when the opposite team's stamina is down.
Nani and Little Pea both just back from injury and out of form coming in instead of Kagawa who has no injury in a game we a losing 0-1 puzzles me.
But Kagawa behind Van Persie is far more lethal than Wellback behind VP.
Nani is obviously out of form.
Giggs should have played the second half instead of first half since he would look a lot faster in the second half when the opposite team's stamina is down.
Nani and Little Pea both just back from injury and out of form coming in instead of Kagawa who has no injury in a game we a losing 0-1 puzzles me.
Kagawa not even on the bench...
We dropped a bollock signing up Moyes when Bolt was available. What an innovator he would've been.
In his role he was shoved in at United? Maybe.
In his natural role as CAM? No way in hell. Kagawa at Dortmund was one of the best CAM´s in the world in terms of defensive contribution. It was actually the point, which Klopp rated the most about Shinji.
Kagawa´s play against the ball is extremely good. The reason for that is not his tacklings, but his ability to read the game. He can anticipate movements and passing routes to an great extend. He is to put it simply one of the best pressing players I have ever seen. This made him such a good fit for Dortmund and made his transition from the first Japanese league to Bundesliga (a way bigger step as between Bundesliga and EPL) so smoothly.
While he would not be able to use it as efficient at United, because they don´t run a collective pressing systen like Dortmund, he would still be able to pressure the build up play of the opposing side and make the work of the CM easier, if he would be giving the freedom as he had at his former club.
I can understand, that he does not start in the CAM if Rooney is fit, because the latter is still the more complete player, but he should be the obvious second choice.
Would help, if he would be in the squad in the first place, though.
Some sense. Thanks. I agree with pretty much everything you've said in here. Someone who's actually watched him a lot.
Yes but we're comparing the role Peinaar does at Everton to the role Kagawa could do at United, which is on the left.
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