I didn't say he can't. I said he is best when cutting inside. It's a waste to have him staying out wide really. The previous post about barcelona is nonsense when you consider that Pedro worked so well because he made up for Messi basically playing in the middle by staying out wide most of the time, basically what I just said we need.
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I didn't say he can't. I said he is best when cutting inside. It's a waste to have him staying out wide really. The previous post about barcelona is nonsense when you consider that Pedro worked so well because he made up for Messi basically playing in the middle by staying out wide most of the time, basically what I just said we need.
Pedro is not static, he drifts inside as well. Like, shock horror, nani can.
Nani doesn't need to stay out wide or cut in, he can do both throughout a game. In fact, young does that too but he just lacks the same skill. At madrid both Di Maria and Ronaldo at times cut in and at other times stay out wide. We don't need someone to hug the touch line constantly (like Valencia), we can operate without that.
Ronaldo's stopped playing the traditional winger role 5 years ago.
We are crying out for creativity and refuse to play our most creative player... Kagawa. If he is drafted into the first team on a regular basis, he could almost work as a new transfer. Add in cameos from Zaha and Adnan and we'd be sorted. But lets prepare ourselves for more Young and Valencia 
Which is precisely my point.
Just been watching a few video's of Kagawa from his Dortmund days, and tbh, he looks like a completely different player. For people that actually saw him regularly in Germany, how different is the Kagawa we've seen at United compared to when he was at Dortmund?
As much as we all love van Persie it's undeniable that bringing him in has made things much more difficult for Kagawa. If he'd been given a run in behind Rooney for an extended period of time then he would quite possibly have become a key player for us within months. His debut against Everton was arguably the most creative/dangerous game he had all season; with better finishing from Welbeck, Cleverley and Rooney (?) he could easily have had 3 assists in that game. He started off with a bang then just as he did for Dortmund and if he'd been given a proper run in his best position then it's not a stretch to say he'd be a much more influential player for us by now. As it is he's still got a long way to go to show he's a key player for us. I've no doubt Moyes will show plenty of faith in him but this idea that he should just walk into the team based on his technique alone is a little silly. He'll earn his place and we'll be better off for it.
Fancy a bet on that?
We are crying out for creativity and refuse to play our most creative player... Kagawa. If he is drafted into the first team on a regular basis, he could almost work as a new transfer. Add in cameos from Zaha and Adnan and we'd be sorted. But lets prepare ourselves for more Young and Valencia
Do you drop Rooney or play him on the wing?
I wouldn't say it's silly at all given I say it from the selfish perspective of wanting to see more technical football!
Exactly and imo we'd be better for having someone who is happy to come off the line and make a run inside because then it opens up a passing option for someone like Kagawa to exploit. And the great thing of what using Nani and Kagawa would be the greater flexibility of the team. For example maybe in one game we want to stretch the left wing, or we think the right wing is more open for someone drifting inside like Kagawa could. They can simply swap sides whenever as well as move with the flow of the attack with Rooney and RVP.
We shouldn't move away from our width, it is and has been an important factor in our success but we don't have to play purely with wingers who will primarily either cross it or play safe. We can utilize a combination of players who can cross it in well but are also comfortable dribbling inside, playing off each other and switching position. Some games will call for a wider approach and so we can look to play 2 proper wingers then but in general I can't see why using one guy tucked in on one flank and one guy who can provide width but can also come inside would cause any issues, it gives a great blend of approaches in attack.
Add to that in Evra and Rafael we have two fullbacks who can get down the line all day if we ever feared becoming too narrow.
Ribery and Robben/Müller did that to devastating effect last season for Bayern. I would love it if we could get our boys to play like that and I think a combination of Kagawa and Nani could do exactly that. Of course they will have to step it up from last season but one can hope, can't I?
Well I would personally say last season was an exception for Nani, I think he'll get back on track and Kagawa was bedding in last season, both suffered from injuries. Tbh I think they'll be better for each other. As I said Kagawa will be able to show more, the more different types of runs we have, and I think Nani will be better for having another player, to play off and the same for RVP and Rooney.
There is a huge potential for those 4 to be fluid and interchange with Fellaini and Carrick as a solid base to rely on. Even Evra would work well with Kagawa as he's be the one running beyond him for the width.
Yep and with Rafael plenty of scope to change it with kagawa coming in from that side and Nani on the left. That's what I'm really hoping Fellaini will allow us to do, feel comfortable enough to play both Kagawa and Nani with the extra defensive strength he brings to the middle.
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Fancy a bet on that?[/quote]
I'll gladly take it. Double the stake for you if he starts more than 20, treble if more than 25. If he's injured and unavailable for more than 10 games and doesn't reach 15 games the bet is void.
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I'll gladly take it. Double the stake for you if he starts more than 20, treble if more than 25. If he's injured and unavailable for more than 10 games and doesn't reach 15 games the bet is void.
I don't think you really need that much physical presence if you have a well organized defensive approach. Fellaini will most likely help, but I'd worry if he was the reason for playing Kagawa and/or Nani.
That's true but it appeared at times that Fergie wanted that defensive stability. To be fair its not that unusual, City who have been the best team with us over the last 3 years use two defensively sound players in the middle and then some more attacking players out wide. We've certainly needed Young and Valencia's extra work ethic in a fair few games, so hopefully Fellaini will help lessen the defensive requirements from the wide players and we can focus on their attacking input.
I don't get this, what's happening with Kagawa?
Why we haven't seen him? he's injured? Last time he played for Japan NT right? Surely with 2 weeks rest he should be fit to play? Or at least put in the bench?
Why we haven't seen him? he's injured? Last time he played for Japan NT right? Surely with 2 weeks rest he should be fit to play? Or at least put in the bench?
At the moment, this is like a scary look-alike of the Berbatov transfer minus the overpaying
Naah, unlike Berba, he is actually a top drawer player. He needs to stay fit and get used to the league. Think we'l see a lot of him this season from the left in the sort of role Moyes used Pienaar in.
Yeap. Berba was championship material
Fergie just could not the best out of Berba; like Veron both were world class players who failed at United.
Yeah because there is just top drawer and Championship material? Berba was never world class, however you might define it.
Admittedly Berbatov seemed like he wasn't mentally cut-out for a big club. But for a top player, in his prime is likely to get discouraged/ lose consistency if he isn't played regularly. And the primary reason why I brought Berbatov comparision was: We don't know how to maximise his output. We can't play him in the position he like because of Rooney. He just isn't a CM. Looks a bit lost on the wing. The feck up is, I don't see that changing. I'd love to see him played off the striker. His technique is better bar none at the club and we're trying to shoehorn him because we don't know what to do with him.
God, I miss Parkie too!
With a Carrick-Fellaini base now, I dont see why we cant play Kagawa very regularly. Yes, we wont be able to play him just behind RVP but he can play as a tucked in wide player. He'l be operating in the central areas then.
I don't see why he can't play behind Robin (or Rooney) sometimes. Should be easier with two more solid players behind him than with Clev/Ando/Giggs/Scholes beside Carrick.
I'm not one of those who mind seeing him start on the left though because he drifts inside anyway and, Kagawa, Rooney and Nani can all freely interchange positions behind Robin
I'll cry if Kagawa doesn't get e proper go this season - one of our best attackers.
If Kagawa is fit and still doesn't play then thats criminal. He's the type of player should be building the attack around in my opinion.
It is.
I fear we will instead set our game up so that it focuses around a very ambition individual who is intent on leaving us ASAP.
Personally I would start Rooney on the wing and him and Kagawa can switch on the fly to mix things up a bit.
Sarni is always so negative. Kinda depressing
Does that mean you think Kagawa is world class ? If so, I cannot agree.
I'm as big a fan of Kagawa as anybody and want him to succeed, but he really does have to prove himself a lot more before we even think of building anything around him. This is Manchester United, not Dortmund.
Starts for Japan today
We are going to be playing 2 games a week from now on so there will be plenty of opportunity for him to play, and then it is upto him to stand out enough to become a vital player.
We are going to be playing 2 games a week from now on so there will be plenty of opportunity for him to play, and then it is upto him to stand out enough to become a vital player.
Sarni seriously doen't think he'll start 15 games in all comps this season? The lad's got a screw loose. Even if he does turn out to be out of favour he'd start more than that playing just cup games and dead rubbers.
League games. Not all comp.
Kagawa certainly is not top drawer yet, and should not be put under that kind of pressure.
Berbatov was a lot more proven than Kagawa, who has not actually done much in the EPL, but then he hasnt been given a chance this season.
However I dont think Moyes rates him, and feel he may have a stop start season and move on at the end.
Based on what? He's missed pre-season because he had a late finish to last season, and has come back extremely rusty. He is a player who's game is based around touch and being sharp on the ball so needs to get into a rhythm to be as useful as some of our other players who at least have better physical attributes than him, if not technical ones.
Based on that he struggled in the EPL last season, he wasnt a flop but he certainly did not show anything near his level at Dortmund, but then thats because United is not Dortmund, theres a lot more to players and football than simply being an excellent player, moving to a new league and team and then being excellent again.
I dont feel SAF showed a great deal of faith in him either, and I think Moyes will use him even less in favour of Welbeck, Fellani, Valencia and Nani.
I think webcam rob just parrots any generic opinion without any basis of fact.
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