Well at least we can stop all the bullshite saying that he isn't match fit to play, rather he isn't fit to our system is the main cause.
Shinji Kagawa
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I'm not so sure. The Rio game was a month ago. Since then United have played 4 games including the CS and Kagawa hasn't started in any of them. I think he came on as sub against Wigan and that's it. He's played 3 or 4 internationals for Japan during this period so fitness can't still be an issue, surely? We'll hopefully know more come Saturday against Palace which, given Rooney's unavailability, should be just right for Kagawa to make his first start of the season.
The medias will always find ways to change the meaning of quotes, whether the players take PR courses (it can only help I suppose) or not. This is why I loved Scholesy's policy of as little communication as possible.
Thanks to some random twat for pointing that out.
There's not an awful lot to disagree with here.
Mancini was a clueless lunatic, and Chelsea have been all over the place since they ridiculously let Ancelotti go after winning the double the season before. It's a far more level playing field now with SAF gone and Chelsea and City now being coached by two managers of the highest class. We still have a title winning squad that we've improved on with the signing of Fellaini. We've also yet to see the best of Kagawa and a few other players at their best again. However, as you said, the most significant signings this year are the managers.
Good performance. Even on the left, he can do a much better job than Young.
Absolutely. Young is shit. United player or not.
I wouldnt expect him to start this weekend - played twice in a week, long trip, jetlag etc
however we have 7 matches in the next 3 weeks so I expect to see a fair bit of rotation and after that we should have a good idea of where Moyes sees his place in the squad
however we have 7 matches in the next 3 weeks so I expect to see a fair bit of rotation and after that we should have a good idea of where Moyes sees his place in the squad
If he doesn't start, for the vaiid reasons you give, and with Rooney absent, who's going to be the midfield "playmaker" - Fellaini or Giggs say? I am not sure how attuned Moyes is to the idea of rotation. I think he prefers settled combinations which is probably a good thing - injuries, staleness and trying to keep everyone happy notwithstanding.
No idea who will start, but I think Kagawa is the only one who has played twice this week so he is literally the last one who should be starting on Saturday
Moyes had a very small squad at Everton so didnt even really have many options for rotation - will have to see what he does with the huge squad he now has at his disposal
actually I think RvP has played twice as well - although obviously not travelling to the otherside of the world and back
We knew that from Moyes saying he had to simply choose whether it would be Nani or Kagawa on the bench against Liverpool.
RVP, Rooney, Nani and Kagawa are all talented and smart enough to play together and adapt to different positions.
It does leave out Welbeck which is kinda sad but he will play the big games with his ability to run all game and win tackles from a forward position.
It does leave out Welbeck which is kinda sad but he will play the big games with his ability to run all game and win tackles from a forward position.
An 80% match fit Kagawa will always start for Japan, because his position is mainly on the left "wing", where his only competition is Inui, who is nowhere near his level. The thing is, Moyes seems to value fitness a lot, maybe even more than SAF ever did. It therefore makes complete sense for him to keep Kagawa out unless he's 100% match fit. You might argue that certain players like RVP or Carrick would start anyways, despite not being 100% fit, and that is probably true. But don't forget that these are players who pretty much carry United. Kagawa, while definitely having the potential to do the same, is just not there yet. He probably will be if he starts playing regularly, but he's not been given that chance yet.
That is why Moyes have chosen to not start Kagawa yet. He's not sure if Kagawa is 100% ready, and seeing as it's still early in the season, risking him wouldn't really make sense. There are many more games to come, not mention the international games he just played. It's better to ease Kagawa into things.
Also, a new manager means a new person to impress. Just because Fergie rated Kagawa, it doesn't mean that he's off the hook now that Moyes has taken over. He has to start over again. And based on what he has done since Moyes took over, it's safe to say that he's not a sure starter. He's a sure starter if we look at his past, but really, Moyes can't afford to do that, unless we're talking about the more obvious choices(RVP and Carrick etc).
The people who think that Kagawa is kept out because he doesn't fit our system or because Moyes doesn't rate him, needs to get a reality check. Or at the very least come back in a few months. If Kagawa still isn't playing then, despite not being injured, then I think we can start asking questions.
Talksport are just about to make a big thing out of what Kagawa said. Typical.
In all fairness it is a talking point. A player who was amazing in Germany and excels in something we as a team struggle with isn't getting a chance to play, I for one would love to know the reasons for this before we lose him.
If Kagawa leaves it will be the Pogba situation magnified multiple times.
dont worry... he will play this next match (Rooney is out) in his best position, i hope surrounded of the best we can offer.
He will be class and rooney will be in trouble.
If this dont happen, time to
He will be class and rooney will be in trouble.
If this dont happen, time to
dont worry... he will play this next match (Rooney is out) in his best position, i hope surrounded of the best we can offer.
He will be class and rooney will be in trouble.
If this dont happen, time to
In one match all of that will happen ?
dont worry... he will play this next match (Rooney is out) in his best position, i hope surrounded of the best we can offer.
He will be class and rooney will be in trouble.
If this dont happen, time to
I hope people get over this desire to see Rooney out of the team. A cnut as he has been, its clear from the extents we went through to keep him that he'l play and considering RVP in the scheme of things, it will always be behind the striker. So if Kagawa has to succeed here, it wont be behind the striker even though he'l operate in central areas from the left.
Completely unwanted? My word you're an absolute drama queen.
We're 3 games into the season for rucks sake
I'm gonna put my head on the line and say that Rowem is being sarcastic there
having seen quite a few other posts from him, don't buy that
Is more a desire of Kagawa to play in his best position than Rooney being out of the team... Actually, i just want the best for the team, and Kagawa playing as AMC is the best for everyone. He is just much better suited than Rooney for that creative role.
i would love to have Kagawa behind RVP and Rooney...
It's crystal palace. They're shit. It's the perfect game to get him into the scheme of things.
I'd like that too but if we want to fit both Rooney and Kagawa in there, it'd have to be Kagawa starting in a slightly wider role even though he'd be operating centrally anyways. Rooney out on the left would be a waste as his goal threat is the main reason he plays behind the striker anyways and that'd be massively compromised.
Playing 2 striker and Kagawa just wont work mate.
It could easily work. But it wont... true.
Why not?
We struggle with teams waltzing through our midfield as is, if we play two strikers, one #10 and 2 wide players, it will likely be open season on our defence.
To be fair, if he doesn't start against Palace, he'll probably come on as a sub and then start in the Champions League on Tuesday. Which is OK by me.
Good performance there and hopefully Moyes won't drop him for the City game.
Good performance there and hopefully Moyes won't drop him for the City game.
would be something more like this
---------ddg
Rafael--Vidic--Evans--Evra
--------Carrick (or swap carrick with fellaini)
Fellaini----------Cleverley
-------Kagawa
---Rooney-----RVP
pretty solid... i cant see any midfield out there waltzing through.
I think he will certainly start in your CL game, and I feel he is more suited to that sort of game.
I don't think he will play vs City though, Welbecks a sure thing.
No wingers? United have 4 wingers in the squad. Being too narrow will just make it easier for a teams like Palace to park the bus. Will not Rooney and Van Persie just be attacking the same space if they are both that high up?
Our movement is nowhere good enough to play such a system, we'l be predictable and will find it difficult to break teams down not to mention how we'l be susceptible out wide with our very attacking full backs.
We don't know yet if Rooney will be back, and even if not there is Young/Giggs who can be replaced from the team who played Liverpool.
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