He's been awful in this game so far.
Shinji Kagawa
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He's not been much better than that since joining us tbf.
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Is it really just a case of him not fitting in to the style team? Or was he also slightly overrated based on just two seasons with Dortmund? I remember people in the summer comparing him to Ozil in terms of quality, yet he has never looked anywhere near that level while here.
Top players should always adapt to any team or style.
And at times he has last season especially. He needs to do far more though.
And at times he has last season especially. He needs to do far more though.
A swap deal with Dortmund for any young midfielder in their reserves would be best for everyone.
What style of team? He just isnt good enough for us. Another player that was good in the Bundesliga but not good enough for top 4 Premier League teams.
I still can't understand why he's not given a chance in the AM position, even when we're leading 3-0. It's as if Moyes is convinced that Kagawa doesn't have a future there. If that's the case, then it's a waste of potential.
I sigh at the Kagawa we signed and the Kagawa who plays for us. Really does look out of place most of the time.
You can see a player in him, but he's never going to play in his natural position for us when Rooney is fit.
You can see a player in him, but he's never going to play in his natural position for us when Rooney is fit.
bla bla bla about him not playing in his best position. If the guy can't even make the effort, can't even look arsed to play then this club isn't the right one for him. He should look at Adnan who gets shifted a lot in different matches and still gives 100%. Really disappointing by him and it's not even football quality related. He plays like a coward or something.
Just not going to work here. Dortmund might've made him look better than he is - he is custom made for their style of play. Not our fault or his in the end.
He drifted inside a lot and failed to do anything
That's not always the case. Ibrahimovic didn't adapt well to Barcelona's system, so does that mean he's not world class, great, quality, etc.? I think it's definitely a case of the system not suiting Kagawa, when he plays on the left. If he gets consistent playing time behind RvP or Rooney, then we'll see more dominant performances, but I'm not sure he can perform well regularly as a LW.
His performance today was inexcusable though. Change of system has nothing to do with ball retention.
Was he really all that bad? Sure, a couple of poor touches, but got better as the half went on. Always showing for passes, offering runs, finding space. He was playing left wing, yet still involved in possession play far more than Jones in midfield, and about as much as Fellaini.
It feels like him and the rest of the team are on a whole different wavelength most of the time. It's difficult to watch him try to play short one touch passes and try to cut through teams down the middle whilst the rest of the team receives the ball and opts for the wide pass automatically.
Noticed he got a lot of stick in the matchday thread today. Harsh IMO.
However, the first 45 minutes should show today why anyone who wanted RVP or Rooney replaced by Kagawa in his natural position why that's not going to happen. He has to actually merit a first team start over the likes of Nani, Valencia and Young first. Januzaj is well ahead of all of them on form for the wide slots.
However, the first 45 minutes should show today why anyone who wanted RVP or Rooney replaced by Kagawa in his natural position why that's not going to happen. He has to actually merit a first team start over the likes of Nani, Valencia and Young first. Januzaj is well ahead of all of them on form for the wide slots.
It must be so hard for him to play on the left wing, I mean it's not like that's his role for the national team.
He needs to seriously start producing or he'll be gone. He says all these things in interviews about needing to improve and work hard, and yet whenever he's given the opportunity he pisses it away. He's infuriating because he's clearly a good player, but he looks scared to do anything.
He needs to seriously start producing or he'll be gone. He says all these things in interviews about needing to improve and work hard, and yet whenever he's given the opportunity he pisses it away. He's infuriating because he's clearly a good player, but he looks scared to do anything.
Ibra didn't fit in at Barcelona because if his giant ego. That is a rare exception, he should have done very well with them. His goals,to games ratio was pretty good there all the same.
That's the issue he's too safe for an attacking midfielder in this team. Granted, there is an obvious style clash but you don't want to see a player of his mould passing backwards and sideways for the sake of passing.
Since when did Kagawa not make an effort!? Christ, if the Kagawa fanboys are bad a making excuses for Kagawa not playing good, you critics are at least equally bad. Kagawa is known for his intense off-the-ball movement. Just because he's not attacking players like Rooney does, it doesn't mean he works any less.
It's about time we realize that he's not a winger like Silva/Mata. He's a specialist AM, who used to play as a defensive midfielder.
Weve had plenty of worse players playing regularly. Stop talking shit.
Anyone doubting Shinji Kagawa's ability to succeed as a Manchester United footballer is an idiot.
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It was his ego, plus not adapting well to the system. His understanding was pretty poor. He did get good numbers, as did Kagawa last season. I expect Kagawa to have a few great performances at LW, but he doesn't have the explosive edge to perform regularly there. He can prove many wrong, but time is running out for him.
He plays on the left fairly regularly for Japan though, doesn't he? I know that their set up is a bit different but even still, you'd think he'd be able to perform better on the left for us than he has so far.
I was talking about this match you drama queen. It's amazing how you see next nothing to wrong with his displays other than Moyes/SAF not using him correctly. While that may be true, Shinji's basic game isn't good enough to merit anything else that he's been given.
It is always polemic with Ronaldo Kagawa.
Absolutely awful today, worst game from him for a long time.
Needs to do more. Just seems to have lost all semblance of the form and confidence he had in dortmund. The problem with him is he seems content to keep the ball and pass it off but never does he try to make something happen and run with it. Annoying.
Yes, he does, but it's a different system. Lots of movement off the ball and has different connections to the players.
Give it a rest will you? The three subs were forced because of injuries, so he had to play on the left when he was brought on.
Would have been nice if he'd shown some "intense off-the-ball movement" when he came on today. Seemed more like intense off-the-ball sulking mainly.
He obviously has enough ability to play for us but during his time here he has been compared to the likes of Ozil and Mata, with a large proportion of posters saying he should play in the number 10 role ahead of Rooney. Truth is he hasn't looked anywhere near their level as a Manchester United player. I'm just wondering if, at some point, we're gonna stop blaming the system, our style and injuries when maybe we were overrating him a bit from the get go? A good player, certainly, but maybe not at the Ozil/Mata/Silva/Rooney level.
What's that supposed to mean? and why didnt he do it today againt a mediocre team like Fulham?
I think he just needs a run of games, hardly playing this season has to take a toll. I mean we are into November now and he has barely featured
Honestly think he just needs to play more aggressive and start making things happen. At the moment he is just content to lay it off to the nearest player and keep the ball as much as possible. It contributes nothing to the team and it becomes a disaster when playing with someone like Fellaini who has a similar mentality. We just end up with the ball going backwards and never threatening the opposition goal.
He doesn't show enough when he gets the chance. He's not imposing himself on the game. The on match he actually did, against Sociedad, he was very good.
That is not a general issue, though. He was one of the most aggressive players in a team with very offensive minded midfielders. He could always turn around games with single strokes of genius because he took risks and tried things. That is completely gone at the moment because he has literally no confidence.
This has become less about league or system discussions (the former argument never held much ground anyway) and not even about his skills on the ball or work rate. This is primary about mentality and maybe he is simply not strong enough in that department to perform at his best outside a comfort zone under a coach, who had utmost trust in his abilities because he had everything said coach wanted in a player on his position.
If he does not sort that out soon in some way, he won´t have much future at United.
Janujaz amazed us without having played a single game, why does Kagawa need a run of games to play well?
I'm not an advocate of playing Kagawa, unless it's behind a centre-forward. Different connections means that there is better chemistry and understanding with the players, it really is a different system. Whereas our system is not the same. He's not going to play well regularly at LW, unless he starts to work harder. He has the skill-set to play there, but he's too calm and needs to work harder - Moyes needs to have more faith in him, just like Klopp did. Finally, he had a poor game against Fulham because he was too casual, there was no explosiveness.
He was shit, but the whole team was after half. A Jones/Fellaini midfield has disaster written all over it. It was evident Moyes had an eye on midweek and the injuries meant we were going to see out the game and we have been shit at doing that since Scholes has left.
Still think he will come good. Too good technically to simply fade away.
Still think he will come good. Too good technically to simply fade away.
Young would've been a better option to bring on.
But thats not gonna happen, Rooney is much better behind the striker and RVP is our best striker. I also thought Kagawa looked very good behind Rooney in the CL game but he isnt going to get games there so we might as well sell him.
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