I would prefer we keep kagawa, we need the depth and we need to be able to ease some of the pressure on Adnan to keep playing so often
Shinji Kagawa
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Hope we show some loyalty to him and continue to give opportunities to him. Has so much to offer but like said in here, seems to lack confidence.
I actually view the signing of Mata as a positive in regards to Kagawa, opposed to Kagawa simply be moved further down the pecking order.
Hopefully Mata's signature is an indication that our style of play will significantly change over the coming years to a more flexible and fluid, passing system and I expect players of the calibre of Mata to enhance our more technical players like Kagawa and Nani rather than restrict their opportunities.
Hopefully Mata's signature is an indication that our style of play will significantly change over the coming years to a more flexible and fluid, passing system and I expect players of the calibre of Mata to enhance our more technical players like Kagawa and Nani rather than restrict their opportunities.
MEN reporting that Moyes is ready to listen to offers for Shinji and that Dortmund are interested in taking him back. Why can't we sell Young and Valencia instead?
I'd be pissed, if we sell Kagawa and keep Young.
Because Young and Valencia will continue our zombie football tactics
According to the Kicker (Serious German football magazine).......Dortmund have no interest in Kagawa
But i think that will change if Reus maybe goes in the summer
But i think that will change if Reus maybe goes in the summer
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I would hate to lose Kagawa but if Dortmund want him back then all means yes as long as either Gundogan or Reus are involved in the deal.
Can't see him leaving this summer unless he's dropped completely, from his interviews he clearly wants to shine but needs a decent run of games. His biggest problem in the long term - as far as I'm concerned, is not Young or Valencia, but Rooney. For me Shinji is much better suited to playing behind the striker and by using him on the flanks we're wasting his talent.
Where we utilise Mata will also be key to Kagawa's future, and Wayne's for that matter. If Mata is used as a #10, we'll have three excellent players battling for the same position; something has to give. Probably Rooney, even though he's been our best player this season, will not appreciate the competition.
Unless of course we change our system completely.
Where we utilise Mata will also be key to Kagawa's future, and Wayne's for that matter. If Mata is used as a #10, we'll have three excellent players battling for the same position; something has to give. Probably Rooney, even though he's been our best player this season, will not appreciate the competition.
Unless of course we change our system completely.
The more I think about this the more buying a really top tough cm and playing him beside Kagawa with a 3 1 line in front could be fecking awesome.
I think a 4-1-4-1, like bayern have with kroos and gotze in attacking mid, could be great. Rooney/kagawa/mata would need to adapt their games quite a bit though and be more possession oriented in dictating the tempo of games rather then always looking for the through ball, or at least 1 of the 2. The wingers would need to work hard as well but I'm sure they would. All we need is a world class defensive midfielder or one with big potential. I hope we go after one of the benders personally, preferably Lars.
Edit: also something that would help us would be that we'd play 4 more central by nature players, making us more solid probably and all more willing to keep possession. Wouldn't work the same as at bayern but it could be worth a try, mata, januzaj, Rooney and kagawa behind RVP all interchanging in their roles for the team through games. Would need a hell of a defensive mid though. I'm off to try it in FM
He sells too many shirts in Asia plus other commercial considerations for the club to contemplating selling him.
I think a 4-1-4-1, like bayern have with kroos and gotze in attacking mid, could be great. Rooney/kagawa/mata would need to adapt their games quite a bit though and be more possession oriented in dictating the tempo of games rather then always looking for the through ball, or at least 1 of the 2. The wingers would need to work hard as well but I'm sure they would. All we need is a world class defensive midfielder or one with big potential. I hope we go after one of the benders personally, preferably Lars.
Edit: also something that would help us would be that we'd play 4 more central by nature players, making us more solid probably and all more willing to keep possession. Wouldn't work the same as at bayern but it could be worth a try, mata, januzaj, Rooney and kagawa behind RVP all interchanging in their roles for the team through games. Would need a hell of a defensive mid though. I'm off to try it in FM
The only problem I see with that is one of them has to be designated wide for each side for defensive duties and apart from Mata who would you want to see pushed wider? Put Kagawa out there and you get the same problem with him not being involved enough and put Rooney out there you risk upsetting him and not using him to the fullest of his potential. It's a really tough balancing act and although saying they can interchange sounds great, in reality people need to have massive discipline defensively in these type of formations.
Since Moyes and co prefer him out wide, why dont they ever use him wide right? He woudn't need to cut in and it would be a role to run at a marker in more natural fashion. On top of him having the intelligence to cut infield when required...
I think the arrival of mata would see an improvement in shinji's form. We'd have someone capable of finding hin through the middle in these pockets of space he usually takes up. Previously its always down the right to valencia.
Because he's not fast, he's not strong, and his straight line dribbling is hardly what you would call impressive.
It work's on the left as he can open up the pitch and use his right foot to find passes, but if your expecting him to jink passed fullbacks and put in crosses, you are expecting way to much.
Still not sure he will play them together, lets see
I came in here to say very similar. The signing of Mata could indicate a move towards a style that will benefit Kagawa and we will see him flourish rather than be pushed out.
Play him along with people like Januzaj and Mata and watch them play sweet and sexy passing football.
I'm already doing that on Fifa.
That's what I think. With Valencia in the team, we have too much emphasis on attacking down the right - to no avail - that it can often make the opposition side of the pitch redundant. Kagawa naturally drifts inwards, but in a rigid system that prioritises wingplay he will tend to be up against it.
Hopefully the signing of Mata will see a shift in our style of play however, with him possibly playing at the expense of Valencia in a more flexible and fluid system. It would coincide with us attacking through central areas more often and players like Kagawa, Januzaj and Mata combining to greater effect.
I've already said it in this thread, but I see Mata's arrival as positive in regards to Kagawa, as long as he still gets minutes and moves up the pecking order ahead of Valencia and Young.
Mixed results in friendlies but I'm playing much better football.I have Kagawa in midfield alongside Carrick with Mata,Rooney, and Nani in the 3 behind Van Persie. Very tippy-tappy.Please tell me you're winning!
Firstly, the comment about his dribbling is laughable. Dribbling is one of his strength plus its doubtful one can make such a judgement about his straigthline dribbling because he is ever employed on the left forced to come in diagonally. With any chance of dribbling straight with any impression easily curtailed by his lack of size, outright pace and rightfootedness. Second, I dont expect winger play out of him, what I expect is him to have a better chance at beating a man from a natural starting position and to keep the ball better due to being able to protect it better as a result, automatically amplifying his effectiveness in a wide position which would benefit us more. I'm willing 2 bet he'd be superior on the right wing to a Valencia, and all his current left wing appearances thus far.
Bayern even make it work with Lahm as the DM. I'm convinced pressing football has everything to do with it plus rotation of the front 4. With pressing football we could do well with Carrick as the sole holder, Rooney and Kagawa ahead of him, with Fellaini a reserve option, Januzaj down the right, Mata down the left...with Welbeck or Nani as cover ...RVP upfront with chicharito as cover.I think a 4-1-4-1, like bayern have with kroos and gotze in attacking mid, could be great. Rooney/kagawa/mata would need to adapt their games quite a bit though and be more possession oriented in dictating the tempo of games rather then always looking for the through ball, or at least 1 of the 2. The wingers would need to work hard as well but I'm sure they would. All we need is a world class defensive midfielder or one with big potential. I hope we go after one of the benders personally, preferably Lars.
Edit: also something that would help us would be that we'd play 4 more central by nature players, making us more solid probably and all more willing to keep possession. Wouldn't work the same as at bayern but it could be worth a try, mata, januzaj, Rooney and kagawa behind RVP all interchanging in their roles for the team through games. Would need a hell of a defensive mid though. I'm off to try it in FM
So, where was Shinji today?
Indeed he has been absent from meaningful football since that second half against Swansea, the one where he did rather well as it happens.
As far as the summer goes i expect he'll be off and that is a shame, however Moyes does that then necessitate not using him properly in the meantime? His remaining in the starting XI could have allowed for a more gradual return of our injured players if nothing else [i have lost hope of something innovative being attempted in midfield].
Indeed he has been absent from meaningful football since that second half against Swansea, the one where he did rather well as it happens.
As far as the summer goes i expect he'll be off and that is a shame, however Moyes does that then necessitate not using him properly in the meantime? His remaining in the starting XI could have allowed for a more gradual return of our injured players if nothing else [i have lost hope of something innovative being attempted in midfield].
I really hope its Moyes that goes instead of him in the summer. Its so frustrating having a player of his technical ability and not being able to use him well, and from his Bundesliga days you know he's capable.
I'm hoping another manager can get the best of him here.
I'm hoping another manager can get the best of him here.
We'll likely lose him, Hernandez and Nani (added to Fabio) because Moyes rates more highly Valencia, Young, Buttner and Welbeck.
It is beyond absurd how Kagawa can't even make the bench while Young plays 103 minutes and creates 0 chances, makes 0 shoots, completes one out of 9 crosses, makes 0 tackles, 0 interceptions and 0 clearences. It is beyond idiotic.
It is beyond absurd how Kagawa can't even make the bench while Young plays 103 minutes and creates 0 chances, makes 0 shoots, completes one out of 9 crosses, makes 0 tackles, 0 interceptions and 0 clearences. It is beyond idiotic.
That's the travesty of it - losing players of ability like Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez, while having to get stuck with Young, Valencia, Welbeck, Cleverley and Moyes to lead to them to greater things
Nonsense. Let's not forget Young was many people's man of the match in the game prior.
To be fair, Fergie played Kagawa out of position the majority of times while preferring to play Valencia/Young and Buttner.
Just thought I'd add that.
Just thought I'd add that.
That's more of an indication as to how poor the team's been as opposed to Young's brilliance.
Fergie was capable of stupid mistakes.
Fixed that for you.
I know but you can't have people claiming it's "beyond absurd" to leave the motm in from the last game.
That said it doesn't explain why Kagawa hasn't been given a decent run when he's started to look useful.
It isn't nonsense at all. Moyes plays Young consistently so it is very possible that every 10 games he will make a decent appearence. Same about Valencia. That doesn't make them less shit and then people shouldn't be surprised when they play like Sunday league players. That is their standard, the good performance was the exception.
On the other side Kagawa if he's the best player in the pitch, will get dropped for the next few games. Then get reintroduced and despite being the best player in the pitch, gets substituted. And then gets dropped for another few games.
Then people came somehow to some ridiculous conclusions that he simply isn't good enough. fecking hell, if you do that to Messi, he won't be good enough too.
That's the travesty of it - losing players of ability like Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez, while having to get stuck with Young, Valencia, Welbeck, Cleverley and Moyes to lead to them to greater things
I still don't understand how people are excited that Moyes will get rid of deadwood in the summer, when that will make the job more harder for his successor. We'll lose our best squad players while the real deadwood will continue being here.
This, the time to get rid of Moyes is now, so the new manager has time to assess our squad and get rid of the real deadwood rather than the likes of Kagawa, Chicharito & Nani who just don't fit into Moyes' outdated system and style of play.
It is 'beyong absurd' to ever play Young as long as there are three other attacking players available (in case there are only three, you should play 4-3-3). He's simply the most painful player to watch (except those who have played only around 5 games for us like Bebe or Miller) to have played for us on the last 10 years or so. If he has a good appearence (not sure that he was MOM) it doesn't make him great. Charlie Adam hasn't become suddenly a world class midfielder for dominating us today. They are both shit players who had a good appearance.
Why the same standard doesn't hold for Kagawa/Chicharito. Why every time they have good games then they'll get dropped for the other few games and we have then to see Valencia doing shit crosses or Young doing nothing.
To be fair, Young has improved in recent games. I see what you're saying about number of games played means he is bound to get a good one in, but generally he's been getting better and isn't completely out of place in our side at the moment like Valencia is. And I hate Young, so he must be doing something better.
Other then that I share your worries about getting rid of players like Kagawa. Out of all our players, he is the one who should prosper most with a player like Mata now in the team.
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