Shinji Kagawa

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Kagawa will be idiot if he stays here for another season. He could be main man for lot of good teams, but he is warming bench(apart from when he is on stands) for Valencia at United.
 
bosnian_red said:
Youngs been injured for a fair bit but the difference is games in a row. Young has had a few chance to get a run of form, Valencia has had pretty much 2 years now, but kagawa has had like that one run of 4 games or so where he did well but was right back on the bench in the next game. He can't do anything to stay in the team in moyes' eyes.
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The thing is he might get to start the next game off the back of this cameo, but given it'll be his first start in over a month, chances of him playing well are worsened, and if he does happen to have a so-so game, there's no chance he'll start the next one or be able to put a run together.
 
Dominos said:
The thing is he might get to start the next game off the back of this cameo, but given it'll be his first start in over a month, chances of him playing well are worsened, and if he does happen to have a so-so game, there's no chance he'll start the next one or be able to put a run together.
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Yup. Even if he does pretty well, unless he scores a couple of goals and puts in a MotM performance, there's no way he'll keep playing. Against Swansea he was arguably our best player. He was arguably our best player vs Sunderland too in the cup, but then got subbed on 50 minutes in, we collapsed after that and since then we haven't seen him.
 
Thought he did well when he came on, was probably our best player in the final 30 minutes although that's not much of a praise as most of our players were dire.
 
Not getting a game ahead of players like Young, Valencia and Cleverley must be an incredibly depressing thing for him.

I still think the lad is going to be a world beater, but it won't be at us, it won't be with Moyes.
 
Cina said:
Not getting a game ahead of players like Young, Valencia and Cleverley must be an incredibly depressing thing for him.

I still think the lad is going to be a world beater, but it won't be at us, it won't be with Moyes.
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Exactly. What a sorry state of affairs.

If you asked me to choose between him and Moyes, I'd take him. And that's saying a lot, I've not been part of the Moyesout brigade at any point this season.
 
Cina said:
Not getting a game ahead of players like Young, Valencia and Cleverley must be an incredibly depressing thing for him.

I still think the lad is going to be a world beater, but it won't be at us, it won't be with Moyes.
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When it does happen, the excuse on here will be "well, there's nothing we can do if he couldn't show it with us. Some players just aren't cut out for the pressure of this club", as if he ever made a real effort to get him comfortable in the team and let him hit a run of form.

2 years at the club and he's not been given a run of games besides the opening 4/5 of 2012.
 
Cina said:
What about Valencia and Young?
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He's not in competition with Valencia. They play different positions. I do want Valencia having a long spell out of the side, mind you. If it was a choice between Kagawa and Valencia as a sub, I'd prefer Kagawa but recognise with Rafael out his versatility means he will always been a sub.

With Young, depends on form. I'd like to see United try Kagawa with Mata coming in field if we are going to rest Januzaj but realise having one wide player is handy. One of the reasons we played quite well against Palace was Januzaj staying wide and it's not something Kagawa is likely to do. Let's not forget, he's also much better in Rooney's role and can be ineffective out wide.

I'd like Kagawa to get more game time as a sub but I can see why he has lost his place since Mata arrived and RVP and Rooney have got fit. I'm very much of the opinion that those three are a class above him at the moment.

He's also over-rated on the CAF in terms of what he has produced for United. I'd love him to hit his Dortmund form but he has not been close.

Danny Welbeck has hardly featured since Mata was signed and Rooney/RVP are back and there's little in the way of CAF fanfare like there is for Kagawa and he's had a better season contributing 9 goals in 24 games. Similarly, Hernandez has hardly featured since that happened with 2 limited cameos and he's been a proven match winner off the bench for United for years. He's not the only good player who has lost game time recently.
 
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Surely he has to get more of a look-in? Ditch the wingers is the only way forward, we looked so much better on the weekend with only Januzaj stuck on the wing at times and at least he has the technical ability and can beat a man. Rotating the front 6 of Rooney, Kagawa, Rvp, Mata, Januzaj, Welbeck would be the best thing going forward. Mainly Rvp/Rooney/Mata always starting and 1 out of the other 3. The likes of Young and Valencia are just stealing game time of our talented players and making us play a negative, defensive, ineffective formation at the moment.
 
I think it was in UWS I was reading an interview with Phil Neville where he pointed out how well Kagawa had played in Europe this season, and how important he is for us in the CL. Completely baffling that they chose to leave him out the starting line-up tonight.
 
LR7 said:
I think it was in UWS I was reading an interview with Phil Neville where he pointed out how well Kagawa had played in Europe this season, and how important he is for us in the CL. Completely baffling that they chose to leave him out the starting line-up tonight.
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Especially with Mata not able to play. Baffling.
 
I don't get this. He may not be as good for us as he was for Dortmund but there's nothing Young or Valencia offer that would ever justify picking them ahead of him.
 
Was involved in our two best moves in the match.

As I've said before he's not taken his opportunities as well as he could have but he's clearly not been given the same chance as someone like Valencia, who is constantly played in a role that is undoubtedly his best (seeing as he can only play one real role) and is more often than not poor/average there. Even when Kagawa has started games he's often been subbed early, had it been him for Mata against Palace I'm confident he could have played a similar game (though doubt he'd have the same freedom) and been subbed before the pen.

Like I said he's not taken his chances over a season but I don't think he's been given the same leeway as others. The worst part is that we've continually looked so poor in the set up we tried today. Moyes tried a different approach against Palace, and there were plenty of kinks to work out of it, but we could have kept it going today with Kagawa easily fitting in to that approach, and he'd probably look better for it.
 
Another decent game from him tonight. Won't be seen for a month now with no possibility to at least build on this performance, even if it is coming on as a sub for Mata or Januzaj(I'm assuming those two are first choice). It's not his first good performance in Europe where he's looked decent all season but come the return leg he's probably not going to start and we'll curse Moyes again.
 
With RVP, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj and Kagawa competing for the front four positions in the team we should have enough to play with a consistent style while switching people in and out for freshness. Its lunacy Kagawa isnt getting games.
 
He's not played for, what, a month? And yet he still looked good under pressure. Poor man management, considering he was arguably our best attacking player in the Champions League group stages (Rooney and Kagawa our two best players).
 
Sarni said:
I don't get this. He may not be as good for us as he was for Dortmund but there's nothing Young or Valencia offer that would ever justify picking them ahead of him.
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Young has been fairly decent in the last few games but Valencia continuing to get games is idiotic. Just what does he offer?
 
LR7 said:
I think it was in UWS I was reading an interview with Phil Neville where he pointed out how well Kagawa had played in Europe this season, and how important he is for us in the CL. Completely baffling that they chose to leave him out the starting line-up tonight.
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Moyes planned for a 0-0 draw, thinking Valencia and Young would do their defensive duties. He also ignored all previous games in which Young and Valencia have started together this season.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
Moyes planned for a 0-0 draw, thinking Valencia and Young would do their defensive duties. He also ignored all previous games in which Young and Valencia have started together this season.
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Also ignored the fecking fact that teams who pose absolutely no offensive threat tend to come under needless pressure defensively, which often leads to goals being conceded. I still can't get my head around that fecking lineup today..
 
Timdbro said:
Also ignored the fecking fact that teams who pose absolutely no offensive threat tend to come under needless pressure defensively, which often leads to goals being conceded. I still can't get my head around that fecking lineup today..
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That's why he had a horrendous record against the bottom six teams when he was at Everton. Exact same thing happened today.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
He's not in competition with Valencia. They play different positions. I do want Valencia having a long spell out of the side, mind you. If it was a choice between Kagawa and Valencia as a sub, I'd prefer Kagawa but recognise with Rafael out his versatility means he will always been a sub.

With Young, depends on form. I'd like to see United try Kagawa with Mata coming in field if we are going to rest Januzaj but realise having one wide player is handy. One of the reasons we played quite well against Palace was Januzaj staying wide and it's not something Kagawa is likely to do. Let's not forget, he's also much better in Rooney's role and can be ineffective out wide.

I'd like Kagawa to get more game time as a sub but I can see why he has lost his place since Mata arrived and RVP and Rooney have got fit. I'm very much of the opinion that those three are a class above him at the moment.

He's also over-rated on the CAF in terms of what he has produced for United. I'd love him to hit his Dortmund form but he has not been close.

Danny Welbeck has hardly featured since Mata was signed and Rooney/RVP are back and there's little in the way of CAF fanfare like there is for Kagawa and he's had a better season contributing 9 goals in 24 games. Similarly, Hernandez has hardly featured since that happened with 2 limited cameos and he's been a proven match winner off the bench for United for years. He's not the only good player who has lost game time recently.
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yep. based on the statistics kagawa has offered next to nothing for United this season. The fact that he doesnt get a run of games though says it all for me. He played well against swansea but then Moyes decides to bring in Young in place of Kagawa against Chelsea even though it was Young's first game back from injury. WTF? He's done the same with Fletcher and now Fellaini.
 
Gladiator said:
yep. based on the statistics kagawa has offered next to nothing for United this season. The fact that he doesnt get a run of games though says it all for me. He played well against swansea but then Moyes decides to bring in Young in place of Kagawa against Chelsea even though it was Young's first game back from injury. WTF? He's done the same with Fletcher and now Fellaini.
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Kagawa stays and Moyes has to go immediately......
 
Start him behind Rooney at the weekend, if van Persie can't operate with our players going into his zones all the time.
 


Saw this on reddit. Its actually criminal the way Moyes uses him. Doesn't play in a month (even though he was amongst our best players when he did play), comes into the team and does more in the 15 minutes or so then the rest of the team did all game. Really hope Moyes leaves before Kagawa does, because it'd be a huge loss. He'd have so much potential in our team.
Whatever the case, next season will be a good one for Shinji I think. Either he stays, Moyes leaves, and United have a good season with him being a first team player along with Mata and Januzaj. Or the other option is Moyes stays, he leaves, and goes to a team where he becomes first choice at some other top european team and shows us all (or rather, Moyes and a minority on here) how good he is.
 
I'm sick of seeing Shinji benched to allow clowns like Young and Valencia disgrace United.

The overhaul must begin with the manager.
 
The Kagawa I watched last night really impressed me by his willingness to ask and take the ball under pressure, by his ability to make it simple and effective. I can understand not starting in the league but in the CL when we have no Mata available, there is no justification whatsoever to not play him nor introduce so late in the game. He should have been on at the start of the second half.
 
I don't care about people saying that Kagawa hasn't performed this year.

He adds that bit of class that Valencia and Young simply cannot offer, and adds another dimension to our game, by raising the tempo and playing give and go type football.

This is also however, exactly the reason why he also doesn't play under Moyes, because he (Moyes) simply doesn't realize that his ridiculous tactic of hoof ball, does not work and has not improved our results in the time we had with us.

We would do so much better with Mata, Januzaj and Kagawa in the team playing a high tempo pass and move game than the drivel we've had to put up with.

I hope Moyes decides to call it quits or gets pushed before Kagawa does, though this does seem unlikely.
 
Did well after coming on specially considering how long its been since he's played. I'm tired of beating the old drum again and again but its absolutely baffling that players half as good as him get so many chances while he cant.
 
If we do get rid of Moyes I hope this guy hasn't been sold by then. I'm no Kagawa fanboy but you'd need to be blind to not recognise his talent and the fact that we're wasting him.

Kagawa isn't blameless for his lack of success here but it's hard to imagine him struggling so much under a top manager. If we do end up bringing in an elite replacement for Moyes I'm fairly sure they'd prefer to have Kagawa around.
 
I feel for Shinji san. He's suffered too much at the hands of an inept coach. He should atively seek a transfer back to Dortmund and pray Klopp takes him in with open arms.
 
of course hes struggling to get in the side, he can't run Ben Nevis in 100m sprinter time.....moyes isn't having that
 
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