Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?

Should ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the Champions League?

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Every fan is frustrated and anxious but come on! After the absolute soul-sucking drudgery since Sir Alex left, we finally have a real leader in charge. One trophy already, one more final to come, and still a great chance for Top 4. United are currently missing their top CB pairing and he was given little money to strengthen in January. Is he being blamed for DDG's error now? Is he expected to publicly berate his number one keeper going into the final stretch? Some perspective is needed.
 
Certainly not after one season. He deserves another at least just like the others had bar Moyes.

The trouble is I think the next season will be much, much harder to get 4th and unless we buy brilliantly, I’d say we won’t be getting it next year either.

His Weghorst boner is baffling though and really taking some shine off.
 
AlPistacho said:
No. Although in hindsight, the praise for the manager and this team on league cup final day and after we won it was a disgrace. It should have been pointed out that it’s a great season so far, LC should be a launching pad. But the pundits and many of us fans were acting like we’d won the league. We all know how things have progressed/regressed since.

I was looking at the Twitter debate between Gary Neville & Carragher. And couldn’t help but think both are right. Long term blame is with the Glazers. But ETH needs to take some responsibility for the recent bad form.

1) Waghorse is useless… like not rubbish won’t make mistakes but just not good enough to get the ball. His 6’2 is literally like a shark with no teeth.

2) I’ve been saying this for ages. ETH game killing subs when we’re under a bit of pressure and winning always end up leaving us under more pressure. All it does is increase the chances of the opposition scoring. His attacking subs are great.

So yeah I think ETH is our most progressive and best manager since SAF. We need to give him time. After almost a full season he does praise but also we can see the areas where contrastive criticisms can only help him.
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Agree with this. Especially the second point. He has far too much trust in the team to stick to the plan and revert to the training if things aren't going well. It worked earlier in the season when we were a bit fresher but he's underestimating how much our players revert to muscle memory when they're physically and mentally tired.

You can see it in the wild shots and aimless passes that start to kick in during the 2nd half of matches lately. That's the sort of thing that needs to be worked on with long term coaching and can't be archived in a few months.

If it wasn't for the extended season with a world cup shoved into the middle of it. On top of the fact we've played more games than anyone despite our thin squad. Then we probably could have road it out.

A consistent goal scorer who can bail you out of these situations would be handy right now.
 
We have now lost the same number of away games as Everton have. We have been thumped at City and Liverpool and we got battered in Seville who are 11th in Spain.

This PL season hasn't been a vintage one at all and top 4 has fallen in our lap. To not make it come the end after it looking very likely we would do all season will be a very hard pill to swallow. Plus we will never hear the end of it from the scousers either.

He's slowly turning me against him with these odd selections too. Bruno on the wing to play Weghorst number 10 is just pure and utter stupidity and he keeps doing it. Baffling
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
49 goals scored. 41 conceded. GD of +8.

As for the question, I'm a bit eh on it. He's lost a lot of goodwill with our results/performances after the league cup final. He's under serious pressure next season to me.

I had a lot of faith in him, but slowly he's destroying it with his decision-making lately.

If De Gea gets extended, it's hopeless.
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Spot on. 3 months ago I thought he was looking like the one to take us back to where we need to be.

However since the final we've failed to win something like 10 games and we've played very poorly.

49 goals in 34 games is woeful.
 
Should he get the sack?
No.
Reason: he won a trophy. That gets him a lot of goodwill.
However, next season if he fails to qualify for the CL - he needs to go.

One of the issues we have is that outside of our first XI, the players we are are not good enough. We have so much deadwood, no manager can be expected to do well with the squad.
If Qatar takes over, I have no doubt that within 1 year, we'll see much of the deadwood ejected from the club (and sadly, that includes players who have a lot of support - Sancho, Martial, etc).
 
It is absolutely mental that 102 of us want ETH out. The pain of mediocrity over the past 10 years is still raw, I cannot even imagine being on the "out" camp.
 
Not this season but if we're still inconsistent and shit next season - he should be out at the end of the season.

He's got to explain not giving Pellestri a run recently as well as ignoring Hannibal in this shit midfield.

His favourites have played too often and loaning Weghorst rather than Depay or Morata or Felix.
 
No. Remember how bad we were last season. Even if we fail to finish top 4, it’s not entirely his fault. I’d give him 2-3 seasons to reach that goal.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
We have now lost the same number of away games as Everton have. We have been thumped at City and Liverpool and we got battered in Seville who are 11th in Spain.

This PL season hasn't been a vintage one at all and top 4 has fallen in our lap. To not make it come the end after it looking very likely we would do all season will be a very hard pill to swallow. Plus we will never hear the end of it from the scousers either.

He's slowly turning me against him with these odd selections too. Bruno on the wing to play Weghorst number 10 is just pure and utter stupidity and he keeps doing it. Baffling
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Can't believe I'm saying this but I don't disagree with a single word.

People saying it's been a month of poor form are forgetting we got destroyed 7-0 against Liverpool in the first came of March. That is not a single month of bad form.

I'd personally put him on notice that top 4 is expected given the season so far.

The only way we'd be fine missing top 4 is if we did an Arsenal and shipped off loads of shite players but we know our current owners (and likely Ratcliffe) won't do that. We also don't have a Saka and a Martinelli like Arsenal have (Rashford is not even close as a footballer in my opinion despite his great scoring season so far), so we literally need a whole new team (my patience with Antony is nearing the end and Sancho could feck off any time he likes starting right now).
 
I think it's the emotion of what it would mean to miss out on top 4, Liverpool being in it especially after that 7-0 defeat.

The questions are coming from the performances, does he have the metal to get the most out of these players?

There have been too many questions le performances recently, Seville, Brighton, Tottenham, Tonight.

When we are good, we are really good but when we see bad it just feels like you should just turn off the game as I don't see any fire from the team at half time nor when we go behind compared to before the Liverpool game.

The 4-1 Vs Betis was the last good game we've had since the league cup.

Something isn't right behind the scenes.
 
sunama said:
If Qatar takes over, I have no doubt that within 1 year, we'll see much of the deadwood ejected from the club (and sadly, that includes players who have a lot of support - Sancho, Martial, etc).
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"Sadly"?!

"Players who have a lot of support"?!

Sancho and Martial would be two of the first cnuts I'd have out the door!! And I wouldn't feel the least bit sad about it!
 
There are a lot of “more positives than negatives posts”

But if he were to concede top 4, lose the cup final convincingly, having been beaten 6-3 and 7-0 by our biggest rivals, gotten embarrassed by a poor Sevilla side in Europe, overseen poor seasons from his own signings, and continued to make the same mistakes in his lineup time and time again….well then, it just wouldn’t be true.

He needs top 4.
 
Think he's done OK. Should have tried for an actual striker in January but that's not his job to get one. The team is clearly running on empty right now and some players are not good enough. Not going to blame injuries because every team gets them.

The ownership situation may be affecting the players and manager. Also Casemiro's contribution has nosedived with the suspensions and his patchy form since returning - just shows how much we relied on him and Rashford in our good spell.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Who is to blame for not having a striker? He booted out Ronaldo to bring in Weghorst. If we didn't have any money to replace him then that's on him. He'd have known that obviously.

Also had he not wasted 85m on Antony we may have been able to sign a competent finisher.

ETH walks on water for some on here and it's OTT. He's done some good things but these last two months we've been shocking and lost a hell of lot of games.
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Blame lies with it muppet that signed Ronaldo & board that didn’t offer funds to replace him when decent options were available on loan.
Bert_ said:
Agree with this. Especially the second point. He has far too much trust in the team to stick to the plan and revert to the training if things aren't going well. It worked earlier in the season when we were a bit fresher but he's underestimating how much our players revert to muscle memory when they're physically and mentally tired.

You can see it in the wild shots and aimless passes that start to kick in during the 2nd half of matches lately. That's the sort of thing that needs to be worked on with long term coaching and can't be archived in a few months.

If it wasn't for the extended season with a world cup shoved into the middle of it. On top of the fact we've played more games than anyone despite our thin squad. Then we probably could have road it out.

A consistent goal scorer who can bail you out of these situations would be handy right now.
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Good point about players reverting to muscle memory/past habits. Also there’s been much more out of ETH control, regular suspensions to Casemiro, long injuries to Varane, Martinez , Garnacho etc would hinder any team.
 
Ten hag is too much of a pragmatist for my liking it's just not quite clear what's his overarching non negotiable principles are .

Though he should get benefit of doubt for now due to unprecedented nature of the season coupled with injuries and other distractions .
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
And Antony? What single element of his game is worth £50m let alone 85m leading to possibly 100m?

That signing has scuppered everything including our lack of ability to replace Ronaldo.
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To be fair, I don't think Antony and Ronaldo are related. One was bought while the other was here, and the others departure in the winter when no suitable replacements were available.
 
Knee jerk thread.

Moyes beat us, so why not bring him back?

Frustration is understandable, but threads like this are insane.
 
He should have next season. But i think the 2nd half of the season kinda brought back down the high expectations of the first half season.

He's not the special one or at least not yet materialize for now. Definitely his stock has taken a hit.

If he keeps on making mistakes his predecessors made in trusting the likes of mcT, martial, etc then he deserves the sack if it goes awry.

How many seasons can we afford to give martial before enough is enough
 
He is having a comparable year to Pep's first at City, so no.
 
SirScholes said:
Why is he better ?
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He's done more in the world's toughest league at worse clubs. He's built two young, very good, consistent teams in the PL on shoestring budgets. Also one-upped Ten Hag in the same competition with a smaller club.
 
It would be seriously worrying but I think he deserves more time and better players
 
Raoul said:
He is having a comparable year to Pep's first at City, so no.
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I think his 1st year has been more similar to Van Gaal's.

Rough start. Steadies the ship. Signs of immense progress. Progress falters off with a disappointing end to the season(still time to rectify this).

We've had higher highs this season, but lower lows.

The upcoming transfer window will be hugely imperative, because our transfer window in 2015 was abysmal.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I think his 1st year has been more similar to Van Gaal's.

Rough start. Steadies the ship. Signs of immense progress. Progress falters off with a disappointing end to the season(still time to rectify this).

We've had higher highs this season, but lower lows.

The upcoming transfer window will be hugely imperative, because our transfer window in 2015 was abysmal.
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I brought up Pep because he didn't win any trophies in year one (even though ETH technically has already won one). The transfer window will be absolutely pivotal this year.
 
Raoul said:
I brought up Pep because he didn't win any trophies in year one (even though ETH technically has already won one). The transfer window will be absolutely pivotal this year.
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Fair point, but I do think Pep had a better 1st season. Their underlying metrics were actually the best in the league and showed signs of them underachieving in regards to their points total and league finish.

Our underlying metrics are nowhere near as good. You can make the argument that Pep came in and had a more solid nucleus of players as well.
 
I don't think people remember how shite we were last season. Nor how low expectations were last summer. We have spent money but the vast majority of that was due to the panic of the Glazers.

We are probably the worst run big club in the league alongside Chelsea. No one is doing a better job than ETH within the current setup.
 
No. The mess we are in isn't ten hags doing. He's doing the best with what we have. I hope the club don't feck him over come the transfer window.
 
Bit of a silly question imo.
 
I think we have established that the managers are not the problem. Quite a few of our players are cnuts who do not have the mentality for competing at the top. The sooner we clear these out the better. Then there’s also the issue of our footballing structure and support from those in suits. We have a top class manager, let’s support him in his rebuild.
 
hobbers said:
Rubbish. You think Pep would be starting Weghorst?
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I can’t really imagine Pep with Fred, Mctominay, Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, De Gea, Martial, No RW, Sancho etc.

Plus Pep would never get a transfer window where all he gets is 2 loan deals in Sabitzer & Weghorst.

Pep’s first season at City had David Silva, Aguero, Yaya Toure, Kompany, Otamendi, Fernandinho, De Bryune, Sterling etc.

It was wrong to start Weghorst but his only other option is Martial who has been shit as well. Just because Pep doesn’t start Weghorst doesn’t answer why he would get Weghorst in the first place.
 
hobbers said:
Rubbish. You think Pep would be starting Weghorst?
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From this current squad? Probably. Everyone knows Martial can't play a lot of football. And has the mental toughness of a wet sponge.

Also, you think any manager close to Pep's standard is even considering managing us right now?
 
What a shocking question to ask. Control your emotions.
 
Freak said:
I think we have established that the managers are not the problem. Quite a few of our players are cnuts who do not have the mentality for competing at the top. The sooner we clear these out the better. Then there’s also the issue of our footballing structure and support from those in suits. We have a top class manager, let’s support him in his rebuild.
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Is it that we have players who don't have the right mentality, or is there just zero incentive for them to improve? Look at de Gea for instance - he knows he can make howler after howler and it won't prevent him from getting a new contract and being one of the highest paid keepers in the league.

Regardless of what the answer is, the problem as you alluded to starts at the top, with the club hierarchy creating the proper structure and setting the right standards in place. Without that, no manager will succeed here.
 
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