Should Wenger be sacked?

Should Arsenal sack Wenger

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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
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I thought that was Col.Gaddafi
 
The fans aren't happy, imagine he stays then goes on to finish outside the top 4 (it will happen this season i think) they will be rioting.

Wenger stays, Ozil and Sanchez want out while also being without CL football next season....this could get ugly :lol:
 
I'm guessing he'll sign a new contract on the 4th of April and a presser will be scheduled at 4pm just to feck with the Arsenal lot.

Saying that I'd love us to get 4th atm! Damn I hate not being able to laugh at Arsenal/Liverpool these days. :(
 
Peanut Butter said:
The thing is, only a small amount of fans want him out.

There are many Arse fans that want him to stay. We even have them here at RedCafe @Grinner @Eboue

Until there's a mass exodus - Wenger isn't going anywhere :drool:
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I'd say a majority of Arsenal fans want Wenger out but many, even most, of those will not protest out of respect for Wenger.

When you look at polls like on Arsenal Mania over 60% do not want him to re-sign.
 
GW said:
When does Wenger ever clap the fans after games, or thank them? He doesn't, no respect comes from him, never addresses the fans on what's happening from inside the club, doesn't give a f**k about you as a fan, so why do so many care so much for him?
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SteveJ said:
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He's like this ol' dog every single one of us had chief, he's ol', hardly walks, gets outplayed in Champions League year in year, pisses and defecates everywhere, cannot zip his giant coat but deep down you just don't have a heart to end your old friend's misery. So he's happy to stay for another season, licking his balls and being happy of his '4th place' trophy, wagging his tail under which little bits of poop drop as you enter the house. He stares at you, smiles, pushes the referee and watches as the peasants of Ye Ole Land'n bring their banners, pitchforks and contradictory planes.
 
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Their schedule quite brutal. Nah he's stuck at 6th. Won't recover.

City, Spurs, United & Everton...
 
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AR87 said:
If the board choose to give him a new contract that's an embarrassing decision and puts to bed any notion that they're interested in challenging for the league or CL.
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Let's be honest here, when was the last time that they were really challenging for the PL/CL? IIRC they haven't progressed from the 1/8 of the CL and haven't mounted a real title challenge for the past decade.
 
Giggs86 said:
Let's be honest here, when was the last time that they were really challenging for the PL/CL? IIRC they haven't progressed from the 1/8 of the CL and haven't mounted a real title challenge for the past decade.
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It'd depend what you constitute as a serious challenge but I'd say 13/14 qualifies - they were top of the table for more time than any rival, and 1st until a good few games after the halfway point. Granted, they did collapse and finish 4th...so it depends if you mean a general title challenge as in looking like a possible/likely winner around February, or taking it right till the end of the season.
 
I genuinely can't believe he's going to stay. Fair enough wanting to turn it around before he does go, but putting up with all that shit for a couple more years.
 
This is wonderful news from a Utd perspective.

If we're to win the title next season it's great to have a potential rival in Arsenal automatically out of the race which they will be if Wenger stays.

Looking at it from a neutral point of view though, wow. Wenger is completely deluded if he honestly thinks he can turn things around.
 
Imo, it has been decided for a while that he'd stay. Just waiting for season to end when there'll be no protests.
 
Cheesy said:
It'd depend what you constitute as a serious challenge but I'd say 13/14 qualifies - they were top of the table for more time than any rival, and 1st until a good few games after the halfway point. Granted, they did collapse and finish 4th...so it depends if you mean a general title challenge as in looking like a possible/likely winner around February, or taking it right till the end of the season.
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That's exactly what I mean. I find it baffling that every season they're considered as genuine title challengers while it's been a decade since the last time they really challenged. And by seriously challenging I mean being thereabouts at the squeaky bum time of the season. Usually the only thing on their mind around April-May is securing the fourth spot, while celebrating it like it's some trophy where in reality it's just a one-way ticket for the routine embarrassment in February of next year.
 
When you see that many banners and placards against you as Wenger did last game, especially at an away match, you know what the majority of the fanbase wants. It must really get on the nerves of Arsenal fans that he is always nonchalant about any sort of protest, never even acknowledges that he is facing any sort of pressure or threat of getting sacked.
 
If I was on the Arsenal board, I would want him to stay too.
If he finishes two seasons in a row outside top4, then its an issue.
 
Wenger needs to go at the end of the season but he has earned the right to do it on his terms. It would be a great disrespect to the man if he was sacked before his term expired. The BIG problem is that Wenger himself doesn't seem to realize that he should retire. I know these managers have huge egos but at some point you have to look in the mirror and realize that your team has quit on you. I never thought that Wenger was delusional. However if these news reports are true he may well have lost the plot. It would be embarrassing for the Gunners to have to fire him if he doesn't quit.
 
AN17 said:
When you see that many banners and placards against you as Wenger did last game, especially at an away match, you know what the majority of the fanbase wants. It must really get on the nerves of Arsenal fans that he is always nonchalant about any sort of protest, never even acknowledges that he is facing any sort of pressure or threat of getting sacked.
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When have the opinions of the fans mattered in this situation?

The board has cashed in on his ability to keep the club in the top 4. They may drop out this season, yes, but it's been a good run overall. The fans aren't boycotting games (still don't understand why this isn't a thing), so why change anything?
 
Sylar said:
If I was on the Arsenal board, I would want him to stay too.
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Exactly.
And I have been saying this for a while now: AFC is run as a business, not a sports club. Trophies are irrelevant unless they get you more money than it would cost to hire better players, to win those trophies.
Ie. if it costs £30M/year extra, in wages, to pay for higher quality players, but you win say £20M, for winning a trophy, then its bad business to buy the better players, as the return on investment is low and profits will be lower.
AFC have worked out that as long as they get top 4 (and CL football) and then proceed to make it into the last 16 - this is the optimal position to be in, to maximise profit.
 
sunama said:
Exactly.
And I have been saying this for a while now: AFC is run as a business, not a sports club. Trophies are irrelevant unless they get you more money than it would cost to hire better players, to win those trophies.
Ie. if it costs £30M/year extra, in wages, to pay for higher quality players, but you win say £20M, for winning a trophy, then its bad business to buy the better players, as the return on investment is low and profits will be lower.
AFC have worked out that as long as they get top 4 (and CL football) and then proceed to make it into the last 16 - this is the optimal position to be in, to maximise profit.
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On the other hand if they're consistently winning trophies and challenging in the latter stages of the CL, their hand is strengthened when it comes to negotiating sponsorship deals and the like.

That said, I agree with what you're saying.
 
sunama said:
Exactly.
And I have been saying this for a while now: AFC is run as a business, not a sports club. Trophies are irrelevant unless they get you more money than it would cost to hire better players, to win those trophies.
Ie. if it costs £30M/year extra, in wages, to pay for higher quality players, but you win say £20M, for winning a trophy, then its bad business to buy the better players, as the return on investment is low and profits will be lower.
AFC have worked out that as long as they get top 4 (and CL football) and then proceed to make it into the last 16 - this is the optimal position to be in, to maximise profit.
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Exactly.

A very sad reality for Arsenal fans.
 
sunama said:
Exactly.
And I have been saying this for a while now: AFC is run as a business, not a sports club. Trophies are irrelevant unless they get you more money than it would cost to hire better players, to win those trophies.
Ie. if it costs £30M/year extra, in wages, to pay for higher quality players, but you win say £20M, for winning a trophy, then its bad business to buy the better players, as the return on investment is low and profits will be lower.
AFC have worked out that as long as they get top 4 (and CL football) and then proceed to make it into the last 16 - this is the optimal position to be in, to maximise profit.
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Arsenal spend loads on wages. Wenger just doesn't like to give top players huge money and prefers to spread it to everyone.
Arsène Wenger has offered a fascinating insight into how he sets a “more socialist model” wage structure at Arsenal and how he believes that the looming financial fair play will end the era of players being paid £200,000 a week.
As he prepares to finally offer Theo Walcott close to the £100,000 a week the England international has been seeking for his new contract, Wenger revealed it was he himself who insisted that the gap between the club’s highest-earners and lowest-paid players is narrower than at the likes of Manchester City, Manchester United and Chelsea.

“We pay well. We pay very well,” Wenger said ahead of Sunday’s FA Cup third-round tie away to Swansea City. “I’ve spent all my life making sure people who work for us are paid well and I believe if you can do it, you do it.”

Wenger said that his principle was “to pay something that makes sense and is defendable in front of every single player” adding: “We make exceptions sometimes but they are not maybe so high. If you want to keep making profit you have to respect that.”

Walcott has been in a stand-off with Arsenal for months, having rejected a five-year deal worth £75,000 a week, an increase on his current £60,000-a-week earnings. The 23 year-old is a free agent in the summer and until recently it appeared he was more likely to leave than stay although Wenger is now optimistic, having also belatedly given Walcott the chance to play as a central striker, as he prepares to make the England international his club’s highest earner after Lukas Podolski.


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Asked whether he set the wage structure at Arsenal, which has been criticised for having a too narrow band compared to other clubs, Wenger said: “Yes. I don’t know how it works at others. But it’s not only me, it’s in co-operation with the board. When we want to go 'far’ I ask for the authorisation of the board.”

However, it is understood that Wenger, once he is given a budget, sets the pay bands with the board deferring to his judgment. “We have no players on £200,000 a week and I think other clubs will come down to us with financial fair play,” he said. “We have a more socialist model.” Indeed Arsenal’s wage bill, at £143 million a year, according to the latest figures, is the fourth highest in the Premier League and yet the club has not won a trophy for seven years – although it has qualified for the Champions League every season.

One interesting comparison is that while United pay star names such as Wayne Rooney more than £200,000 a week, Danny Welbeck was earning £15,000 a week despite playing for the first-team until he signed an improved contract last August.

At Arsenal the top earner Podolski is reputed to earn just over £100,000 a week while several squad players are paid £60,000 a week. That explains how the average wage at United has been estimated at £64,000 a week while at Arsenal it is claimed to be £61,000 a week.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Wenger-defends-his-socialist-wage-plan.html
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From a non-Arsenal supporter, if he stays I am very curious to see where it goes because clearly players are no longer playing for him. Now it's always the manager who gets the chop obviously cuz you can't change all the players. But in this situation if he remains then clearly it will be a defeat for player power. And maybe Wenger can then get rid of the players who have given up.
 
The Guardian is reporting he is staying and the reason it hasn't been announced is because they want the international break to take the sting out of it for the fans who will be up in arms and they don't want ugly scenes.
 
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