I just find it strange that people where prepared to stick by Ole through thick and thin even though he was almost sacked 3 or 4 times before he actually lost his job and the same people like to stick the knife into Ralf at any opportunity after a few months and zero money spent. There's absolutely no consistency. I really fear for the next manager, especially if it's Poch if they don't hit the ground running from the get go.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Why are so many people obsessed with such a specific record, is it all they can cling to now after being made to look so foolish about all the great work Ole was doing and how we’d be competing for the title. City beat us 2-0 at home with Ole in charge this season without even breaking a sweat, last team to beat us 4-1 was Watford with Ole in charge.
But what really matters is Ole was a disaster, who has left behind a shit show that will take years to sort out. The time to try and mitigate that is gone, just accept you got it wrong and hope it gets better eventually.
Did I say that Ole decided the cost of the players, because it's the second time you've attempted to attribute that to me? Maguire's £80m price tag and AWB's £50m price tag were all over the media before they had been signed, just like Sancho's €120m price tag last summer was known for a long while.
Surely the manager has some sort of idea as to whether the club he's managing can spend £50m, £100m or £150m in a transfer window though, don't you think? Or do you think that the board keeps the manager completely in the dark as to what the transfer budget is? And given those constraints, don't you think it's the manager's job (if he, as he says, has the final say on ins and outs) to decide if he wants two players for £130m or if he wants six players for the same amount of money?
No. That's not how it works. Go to the 1st few pages of this thread. It was "Leaving a good squad whose talent is being wasted by Ole". Now, it's "Shit squad" as well but we were getting brilliant results with shot players and a tactical noob against the biggest sides because of some juju Nigerians would do when Ighalo was here.
We played park the bus and counter football in the big games spamming long balls up to james and rashford, which stopped working as soon as the big teams cottoned onto it and adjusted.
It's all a "Fugazi"
im only in here saying rangnick should be able to beat the worst teams in. the league with the players he has. that is all im saying. if you are going to try to argue with that you aren't going to come out of it well
i find it wierd that people bump this thread with fresh excuses for ralf. this is all in the context of this thread, which is a thread that is used to say 'damn you olleeeeeee' every time we look bad under ralf.
you can call that 'sticking by ole' if you want. all i am saying is ralf is responsible for the performances 4 months after ole has gone, and that the squad is good enough to be doing better than we are doing. that is all i am saying. find it insane that people are happy to argue that we dont have the players to win games, especially on days when we have looked poor versus the worst sides in the league. i find it wierd in the context of this thread, not in any other context you can make up above about 'sticking by ole', who is gone months haha
He had ample time and opportunity to get rid of players he didn't want. Hell he had the time to sign a player, watch him flop and then sell him (James). Yet here we are. When you keep these players around for 3 years then it is fair to assume they were part of the managers plans.
Probanly put that in the Rangnick thread then, I’m just making point Ole was a disaster who left behind a huge mess, won’t come out very well if argue against that. Rangnick didn’t put this shit show together, he didn’t create this awful culture, Ole did. This is about Ole’s legacy, Rangnick could and should be doing better but make that’s nothing to do with Ole’s legacy.
Like the club you backed the wrong guy, accept it and move on. We going to be shit for a long time, it’s not going to change that Ole failed miserably.
This squad has been capable of doing better for longer than 4 months though. Using Ralfs underwhelming performance as some way of exonerating OgS is weird. Both have done poorly.
OgS put together a poor squad, that said he underperformed with the individuals available. Ralf has taken over that squad & continued to underperform. It’s hard to not look at the position we find ourselves in & not look back at the OgS period as a grad failure.
how did i back ole haha, so wierd
yes ole had a bad start to season. doesn't mean ralf shouldn't be doing better with the players he has. but instead people come in this thread and say ralf can't do better because of some wierd intangible reason like 'ole didn't coach the players'
Who has said Ralf can’t do better because OgS didn’t coach the players? Genuine question as that would be ludicrous.
You can’t understand why an Ole legacy thread is negative, not much hope for you and pretty clear you still haven’t accepted you got it wrong.
It’s completely logical mate. That is why you are going to be ripped to shreds on the Caf. Too many Ralf fanboys who think he’s the second coming. IMHO, Ole needed to go after the Liverpool disaster. But that doesn’t make the Ralf appointment the right one.
It was just a complete waste of 3 years, let’s move on now.
Gary Neville give us a wave
He was there two years too long. He actually did an important job post Jose but how he lasted over three years in the role and was allowed to spend hundreds of millions is still baffling. Ralf is now firefighting all the hangovers from that last couple of years and in all honesty, has no chance. Ralf should be getting top 4 but even that is looking desperate now.
It's going to be like pulling teeth for the next few years now. That's his legacy.
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Absolutely this. The problems run deep.
Agreed. He was a brilliant interim manager but his time as the interim manager was allowed to be over two years.
Tbf, I dont think that's Ole's legacy as much as Woodward's.
Ralf fanboys?? FFS
What is so hard to understand that Ralf is here as Interim. You do understand what interim means, right? His expertise is going to be used after his interim period is finished. Why are people comparing a manager who had 3 years, spent a shit load with someone who's a standin? Are people so insecure that anything goes to protect their precious ex manager? He's gone. Get over it.
As this is an Ole legacy thread, let's forget about Ralf and bring the thread back on track. Do you think Ole has left the squad in a much better place than when he found it? Has his 3 years and 400m+ spent got us any closer to winning the title? That's the whole point of this thread. If you want to stick the knife into Ralf well there's a completely other thread for that. Quite a few of them actually.
Calm down
This whole fanboy rubbish that is thrown about is what causes so much conflict and petty bickering on here. Have you ever considered that it's possible to criticise someone without automatically being a "fanboy" of someone else? Mature adults who are emotionally stable don't choose a side and then hate the opposite side out of some misguided sense of loyalty. Criticising Solskjaer isn't a declaration of love for Rangnick.
Yes. I believe that Ole has compiled a better squad than Jose compiled. The biggest issues are Maguire and AWB. If you go back through the Maguire and AWB threads in previous seasons, there was a lot of positivity around those two. The form this season has been abysmal. I don’t think we can pin DvB and Telles on him, as those were pandemic discounts.
Question for you. What do you think the interim’s goals are? In my mind, the interim is absolutely required to hit top 4, otherwise, why make the change? It’s an 80m pound question, as clearly, Ole could’ve avoided relegation and we’d be mid table. But the reason you brought in the interim was to secure top 4. It’s a publicly listed corporation, and the shareholders should demand we manage to maximize profits. As such, clearly it seems the appointment of Ralf looks to be a mistake. We are 5th and Arsenal has 3 matches in hand.
Exactly. So when I criticize Ralf, why is there such a wave of apologists who bring up Ole??? I’m on record as saying BOTH are not good enough…. Just because I criticize Ralf doesn’t mean I think Ole should have stayed.
It's quite frankly ridiculous that he got so much power despite being so unqualified. And his signings, deary me!
My own personal thoughts are hiring Ralf as interim had its complications. As a consultant to the DOF I don't think we could of done any better and he was the man a lot of people mentioned in previous threads when rumours first started appearing that we were looking to hire a DOF.
If the club wanted Ralf that badly and Ralf was willing but only under the condition that he'd come in as interim until the end of the season then I believe it was the right move by the club even if we finish outside the top 4.
I don't think Ralf is the man to take us to the top as a manager and have never suggested otherwise but I do believe he could be fundamental in helping build something the club are so obviously lacking which is why I have no problem him finishing out the season.
Let's face it. None of our (the clubs) favourites where available before we went looking for an interim so my attitude is Ralf had as much chance as any and if we miss out on top 4 but Ralf has a part of making us a force again then the risk was worth it. Another plus in hiring him as interim is he now has first hand experience with the squad which could go a long way in helping decide incoming/outgoing players which takes a bit of the pressure off of the new incoming manager whoever it may be.
This is what happens when you hand over the keys to championship manager for 3 years. Most players have turned to shit and the team is a mess.
That's not what I remember. Instead we had to listen to people telling us how bad a state he had left us in and how Solskjaer was doing such a great job in changing things.
Solskjaer did a decent job of lifting the black cloud that had descended upon the club during the latter part of Mourinho's tenure. He made United a happier place. This was achieved in the space of about four months.
Everything he did after that, especially the coaching and the player recruitment, was at best a waste of time, and at worst, a borderline disaster from which the club will be slow to recover.
Agree with that. Don't mean to suggest that it didn't end badly with Mourinho but it was nowhere near the extent that Solskjaer deserved years to fix it.
I remain baffled by how hastily he was appointed on a permanent basis. If Woodward was actually competent and waited, he would have witnessed the awful performances towards the end of that season and Solskjaer would have been let go. Instead we wasted all that time and money with a sub-par manager.
The players he left behind are working really, really hard to keep Ole's name in tact. At this point we know that either both Ragnnick and Ole stink equally or players simple stink.
Also, I will add that the same cloud Mourinho brought and Ole lifter, Ronaldo brought it back.
Also, I will add that the same cloud Mourinho brought and Ole lifter, Ronaldo brought it back.
Ralf has said himself that top 4 is paramount. I believe that finishing outside the top 4, even Ralf considers that a failure.
while I respect his tactical influence, there is very little evidence that a 63 year old who has literally won 1 major trophy in 19 years of management is goi g to be the driving force or architect of a new United squad that will challengefor the league or CL.
which brings me to my final point. The leadership that brought us Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole, and no PL titles or CL titles since SAF, why are we just willing to believe that they’ve done the right thing in bringing in Ralf?
A lot of the Caf are just willing to open their mouths and be spoonfed this shite of a turnaround. I don’t see it.
Another one. "Ole loves the club so much he will resign." If the man isnt fired he would stir us into relegation zone now
Fixed that for you.
Of course. If he was still here we would be fighting for relegation. This is the team that he build for 3 years. A bunch of ragtag overpaid players they are. The british revolution and rebuild are truly success right ?
Ah I forgot we just won a treble before CR7 came right ? This is another shite Ole inners spout the whole time too. CR7 cause the problem
. He is a part of it not the cause of it. Does he make AWB and Maguire defend and play like donkeys on the pitch ? We won jack shit before CR7 came back. Today we also got pumped with most of Ole XI without CR7.Ole's Englishmen prority clearly paid of
This is their level
the stat last season showed we overperformed.
This is their level