I don't think they did - it was rather occasional and sporadic - compare how they've itneracted these two years to how Yorke & Cole did, or Suarez adn Sturrdige have in less time... they are light years behind as a duo, though as good individually.
The 20 mins after RVP went off...
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You could but it would be a weak argument espeially where last year was concerned. RvP has plenty assists too and it's because he does get involved. He's not as positionally flexible as rooney, but then rooney's 'flexibility' is part of the problem imo with our play. It's only when Rooney is right up top that he looks good, not when he's dropped back as happens so much these past few years.
It's easier for a team to play well when you have a 2 goal cushion and the other team have pretty much admitted defeat.
Yea, I was referring to this season. You pointed out that Persie hasn't been criticised as viciously as some others this season, and I was basically just saying it would be totally outrageous to do so.
The likes of Young, Valencia and Cleverley have been particularly chastised, and it would be outrageous to include our leading scorer (despite missing 2 months) and one of an alarmingly low number of 'world class' players with that group.
I think he hasn't been at his magnificent best all season, but he has still been very useful and has a better than 1 in 2 record I'd guess.
Ah fair enough. I missed that.
That of course must mean that RVP is totally holding the team back
RVP left Arsenal for us because he wanted to be a winner. Well, he's a winner now so he's fulfilled his dream. Both parties benefitted from the move, he got his trophy and we got his goals that won us the league. Nobody therefore owes anybody anything and if either he or the club thinks a move would be in the best interests of both parties so be it. He's certainly not looking like a player who is enjoying life, on Saturday he looked extremely unhappy and frustrated, even to the point where Moyes had to substitute him to stop him being sent off.
Speaking of RVP in that game, I was watching an international stream and the co-commentator said about the challenge RVP made just before being subbed that it was "Two-footed". Then a replay immediately showed him diving in with one foot out and the other bend behind his arse and the commentator said "It's not two-footed in the traditional sense". It was incredible he still stood by his claim it was two-footed even after seeing it wasn't and instead pretended it was some kind of special abstract two-footed challenge where you only use one foot.
I didn't catch who it was but I think it may have been Mike Walker as they mentioned some connection with Norwich, I think, earlier on in the game. Did anyone else see this?
I didn't catch who it was but I think it may have been Mike Walker as they mentioned some connection with Norwich, I think, earlier on in the game. Did anyone else see this?
It was Efan Ekoku. I couldn't believe it when he said it at the time either.
Nothing!
Rooney can't win us a league title. He's too fat & too overweight to give us a 38/38 league appearance like RVP did last season. Rooney failed us in 09/10 & 11/12 seasons. I guess a lot of posters have lost their memory typing rubbish that RVP should make way for Rooney.......It should be the other way round.
feck me. What a ridiculous post.
Personally dont think RVP going off was the main reason we improved our football in that final period. I think the second goal had a much bigger part to do with that. After the second goal went in, our confidence visibly improved while West Brom's seemed to lower. Think it's fair to say RVP and Rooney operate better when neither are on the pitch together but they have had some good moments of interplay (i.e. Fulham away).
Interesting how there's a desire to rush to conclusions yet even when you use similar type of players that we used Saturday, you can get a worse performance than what you're expecting. Such is the nature of football but perhaps we forget this in the heat of the moment.
Interesting how there's a desire to rush to conclusions yet even when you use similar type of players that we used Saturday, you can get a worse performance than what you're expecting. Such is the nature of football but perhaps we forget this in the heat of the moment.
I was raging at him. Plus RVP as shown on the replay, clearly got the ball first yet Efan just conveniently ignored it! Made no sense
Given the latest caf craze for polls, id be interested to see how many people think the writing is on the wall for RVP. It seems like everyone is convinced that he is unhappy and, that being the case, we are going to let him go. FWIW I think its too soon to conclude that he wants out, and even if he does that doesnt mean we'll grant him his wish. As for Saturday, we definitely looked better after he went off but, again, that doesnt mean he is no longer worth a place in our side, will never look motivated again, Welbeck is inherently more suited to us than RVP is. It just means we looked better after he went off on Saturday. These things happen.
I know you're probably joking, but I do think people seem to forget Rooney nearly dragging us to the title in 2011/12. He was fantastic, but, most United fans would happily have that season erased from their memory forever. Understandably so.
He did that usual pundit thing of realising he'd dropped a bollock and instead of just saying "actually I got that one wrong" he tried to justify it by qualifying it slightly.
But was that more to do with the second goal or RVP simply being removed?
i know! as if his job is on the line for admitting a mistake
A bit of both but for me, on this occasion, it was more to do with RVP being removed.
Why don't we just sell them both and buy a new striker?
Yes, Rooney could never achieve the sort of fitness that RVP has had over his career.......
Appearances Average Over Last 9 Seasons:
van Persie: 36.1
Rooney: 44.7
van Persie: 36.1
Rooney: 44.7
We are reading to much into this, he was taken off as a precaution as he could in all likelihood have received another yellow card and then been sent off.
I thought it was both as well but that second goal played bigger factor in opening the game up. Just like the game opened up after the penalty against Palace. Wasnt RVP and Rooney on the pitch at the same time we started to play better in that game?
We needed Rooney to be Rooney against Everton(H), Wigan(A) and City(A) and he failed us in those 3 games. We lost 8 points out of 9 and we failed to land the title.
I just know Rooney lacks the killer instinct present in Messi, Ronaldo, Van Persie, etc when they smell blood. Rooney cannot single-handedly drag us to any title. He will always be a nearly player.
So near yet so far.....
We really could have done with him getting a couple of goals and an assist in that game alright. Oh wait..
We could have done with Evra finishing his chance to be honest. Rooney's a great player but lets not pretend he is what he most clearly as proven over the years isn't.. and that is the 'main' man. If we are going to rule again it has to be Rooney plus one.
Rooney as the main man (not just a striker but as the most important player) saw us lose titles by one pt and by goal difference but yeah what a failure of an experiment that was ....
I can pretty much guarantee after all the nonsense talked about RVP, he'll be the match winner against Liverpool.
We should have not brought RVP and got Ozil like he wanted too!! We would have won by 20pts last season instead.
If we play him against both Liverpool and Olympiakos I think he'll fire us to the quarter finals of the CL.
You'd think he was 40 not 30 the way people are talking.
I'm just saying that when Rooney's been the "main man", it's hardly been his fault we didn't win titles. I'm not saying he has to be that player at all cost, if we can get better players and use them to their strength before him then so be it. The way some scapegoat him for failure is ridiculous IMHO.
Whose fault was it? Hitler's fault or Castro's. Every excuse has been exhausted on Wayne Rooney. 10 years career at Old Trafford and yet no golden boot or topping the assist charts in any season. Yet, his agent got us cornered to the extent that he earns £300k per week(more than Messi).
As at 2004 summer, every man & his dog would not even compare Rooney to Cristiano or Messi. Since then, Rooney's trajectory crashed and the Ronaldo/Messi soared. Rooney is extremely overrated. He was the main man in 09/10 & 11/12 and we won nothing those seasons.
He's too inconsistent to drag United to the title by himself.
I am not a Rooney fan by any stretch of the imagination but he is on less than £250k a week, as he was before this latest deal.
He got injured against Munich and we subsequently lost the League to Chelsea and went out of Europe (not his fault in the slightest because we were on course in both competitions when he was fit). We won the League in 2011 and got to a Champions League final with Rooney as undoubtedly our main man scoring a number of goals no other no 10 has scored in recent times.
As for killer instinct I must have missed when RVP scored those 2 sitters against Madrid last season, also I must have imagined Rooney's 2 goals and MOM performance against City last season. I must have missed him dragging our underperforming team through games on a number of occasions this season.
You are clearly biased against him so you can't make a valid argument. For the record I'd hate to see RVP go but we have to go about trying something new because things ain't working this season and Rooney has shown more than RVP has in the last 3 months and more importantly has shown much more desire and hard work which is what we need right now.
As for single handed titles they don't exist. Messi or Ronaldo has never won a trophy on their own and incidentally Rooney actually played a pretty big part in the most successful trophy period Ronaldo has had thus far. Likewise Guardiola got rid of the lazy players at Barcelona and turned them into a great "team" (something which we haven't really had since 09 because we replaced too many quality players with lesser ones and more importantly failed to evolve our tactical play).
In both the seasons where Rooney was our 'main man' and we weren't champions he he scored more goals than Van Persie did last season. If we're talking about consistency by your logic Van Persie's open to exactly the same criticism you make of Rooney. Amongst all the well-deserved praise for Van Persie last season it's often forgotten that he completely off the boil towards the end, luckily for us Rooney stepped up and we ended up winning the league convincingly. No-one wins titles single-handedly, that's just what papers say to sell a story.
Ultimately the main difference between last season and 09/10 or 11/12 is that last season when our top scorer wasn't delivering or was injured, we had another top striker to step up. If in 08/09 or 11/12 we'd had Rooney playing as he did, and then another top striker to step in and cover for his dry patches in the same way that Rooney covered for Van Persie's last year we'd be looking at 7 consecutive titles.
Those aren't failures ffs, do you even realize what you're posting. Look at Rooney goalscoring record and assists since he's been at Utd. He's on his way to become the club all time scorer, surely that is a great thing. Why are you mentioning Messi and Ronaldo (the best two players in the players for a decade now) ? Why compare him to them ? It's your own fault if Rooney never reaching them angers you ? You're all over the place.
No player drags his team to the title by himself, Ronaldo nor Messi have never done, they have always played with great teammates (Rooney when Ronaldo was here) who have helped in their incredible performances.
Again I repeat we lost those titles by a fecking point and goal difference but blame him alright
Those aren't failures ffs, do you even realize what you're posting. Look at Rooney goalscoring record and assists since he's been at Utd. He's on his way to become the club all time scorer, surely that is a great thing. Why are you mentioning Messi and Ronaldo (the best two players in the players for a decade now) ? Why compare him to them ? It's your own fault if Rooney never reaching them angers you ? You're all over the place.
No player drags his team to the title by himself, Ronaldo nor Messi have never done, they have always played with great teammates (Rooney when Ronaldo was here) who have helped in their incredible performances.
Again I repeat we lost those titles by a fecking point and goal difference but blame him alright
He has to be Wumming - doesn't he? In both of the seasons mentioned Rooney made the second highest number of starts in the squad (42,41) behind Evra. In both seasons he scored 34 goals. Not bad for the "too fat & too overweight" guy.
I don't think he is, he's been saying weird shit since he's joined the caf. This opinions that Rooney is to blamed is something really present in the newbie section too.
That's wild. It's like the idiots who still blame Beckham for England not winning the World Cup while he was captain.