If someone developed an even remotely effective method of abortion using a gun, these feckers would suddenly be all in favour of it.
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The sad thing is with most of these people on CNN is they know very little about guns or the laws.
Ya. Every school in US should have a fortified perimeter and there should be a locker room at the gate of the fort to deposit the guns. Anyone taking out a gun inside the perimeter should be sniped immediately. So we need some snipers as well.
We need more people in the military and police to watch those school perimeters. Or wait.. How about Erik Prince associated mercs. But then the government overlords will be in our backyard with more guns, that means citizens need more guns to protect themselves from oppression. /s
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Ya. They didn't ask him to shoot at kids. Just filled his unstable minds with loads of hate.
Ridiculous number of replies showing the pic of a randomer wearing the Antifa shirt, saying that he's a registered Democrat based on a database entry of someone who wasn't even born in the same month and had their name spelled differently, saying he supported ISIS when he was mocking them, or saying that his surname is Cruz so he can't be white (he's adopted). And they call the AP fake news
Land of the free, home of the brave!
Yep, that is a great Twitter thread on exactly how that gets spread.Ridiculous number of replies showing the pic of a randomer wearing the Antifa shirt, saying that he's a registered Democrat based on a database entry of someone who wasn't even born in the same month and had their name spelled differently, saying he supported ISIS when he was mocking them, or saying that his surname is Cruz so he can't be white (he's adopted). And they call the AP fake news
Democrats aren't the ones removing policies that prevent people with mental heath issues from acquiring these types of weapons. I'm not saying the Dems are perfectly clean here but this is politics and at times you need to fight dirty for the greater good.
Yeah, that is where the links go to. Kit Daniels seems to have changed the article a bit since but still says he's a Democrat.
Oh please! Most of these school shootings were done by folks with ZERO mental issues. This is just airy talk.
Oh absolutely. I just didn't want to see people gloss over it, as it was just text. It's the best demolition of all the incorrect talking points from the last 24 hours or so.
There's definitely effective methods of using a gun for abortions...........................how safe they are for the mother however....
Just read this article on VICE that had good points:
1. Limit magazine capacity
2. Ban domestic abusers (not just criminals and mentally ill) from owning/buying guys
3. Expand background checks
4. Stop making guns so accessible to buy - like you can go buy a gun in friggin Walmart
5. Giving more funds to organizations like the CDC to study gun violence
6. Limit the amount of guns a person can own?
All of these are a start.
While it is commendable that Dems did manage to stop people from mental health issues from getting weapons, that is hardly of significance as many shooters are realized to be unstable after the act.
Unfortunately there has been decades of brainwashing on this topic and normally rational and reasoned people can't see the wood for the trees.
Look at the dad of the survivor in this case, he's a doctor so obviously an intelligent chap, but on this issue he's a moron. That doesn't come from nowhere, it's instilled by the NRA et al over years.
Break the status quo, it's the only thing that will change anything.
Jon Stewart has a great 8 min clip 5 years back and it still makes sense today:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6l4l6m/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-scapegoat-hunter---gun-control
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6l4l6m/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-scapegoat-hunter---gun-control
That would be the best option.
Another option would be re-interpreting gun rights in support of the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd amendment. You want to be part of the militia? Cool, keep your guns at this local facility, and only have access to it for training. Otherwise, possession of a gun is made illegal, with strict civil/criminal penalties. Confiscate all the ammo and end domestic production of guns sold to non-militia civilians.
In case the President of the United States becomes a tyrant, and is backed by every section of the military (including forces home and abroad), and state national guards, if you want to go all Rambo against that, here's your gun.
Dont forget drones - they have drones as well.
I see Fox News is predictably running with the story that the FBI messed up. As soon as I saw the message about the guy being on their radar you just knew this was going to be used by that side to throw the FBI under the bus in defense of their orange overlord. I'm not saying they didn't mess up somehow but freaking hell how about focusing on the larger issue for a change.
I am surprised they neglected the most important one - the loopholes that allow gun sales from private sellers to completely avoid any background check whatsoever.
http://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html
@Edgar Allan Pillow this is the problem with any non-Federal gun control law - California might be strict but you can just drive to Arizona, attend a gun show and purchase an AR15 with no background check whatsoever.
Also I think I read an article (don't remember 100%) that said domestic abusers was one of the best predictors of future violence so that definitely should be addressed asap.
Thoughts go out to the victims and their families. However this is simply not surprising anymore. It's simply an epidemic that won't be stopped because of the ignorance of so many in power and in the general population. Salutations to the "land of the free".
I knew exactly what that link was going to refer to before I clicked it.
The hypothetical scenario I was thinking of was akin to what @Revan essentially described, i.e something of a more macabre scale involving higher profile victims. A single GOP senator getting wounded wouldn't suffice as the trigger I'm talking about as has proven to be the case. However had we had a shooting of similar scale at an affluent school where the victims included the children of senators/congressmen/lobbyists or even a high profile cabinet member, then I'd wager there'd be a more ripe platform for debate. This would also have had to happen more than once and not too far apart to reject the notion of it being dismissed as a coincidental one off.
Having said that I'm only theorising as to what may serve as a tenuous trigger. I'd still naturally be cynical about any progress being made even in the aftermatch of such a hypothetical scenario - the culture behind guns and the almost fanatical belief in the right to bear arms is so deeply embedded in the country's fabric that its almost impossible to expect any progress to be made towards control.
At this point you might as well just expect and accept it as a natural phenomenon associated with the country, like floods and earthquakes in certain parts of the world. The price you pray for the 'American dream'.
Aye.
The argument of having guns against the possibility of a tyrannical government sounds nuts to me. Apart from the actual logistical difficulties of engaging in open or guerilla scale warfare against a highly professional military and intelligence sector, the current setup of government doesn't allow for a tyrannical takeover to happen. You would need the treasonous buy-in of every sector of the federal military apparatus at home and abroad. You'd also need the cooperation of state military and police forces.
If the federal government one day stopped answering to the people, you have to imagine that the states would step in, recall representatives from D.C. or renounce them, and cease support to every federal structure within it's jurisdiction. The state national guard and the police force of every state would take control, or at least block the passage of every federal military installation, and ask for immediate surrender of the premises and personnel, who would most likely agree to stand down rather than turn arms against the people they have sworn to defend and protect. D.C. would become an ineffectual island cut off from a seething nation.
I just don't see any scenario where the difference between the country and a tyrannical government is 39 year old Kevin with his AR.
I had this discussion in another forum. A bunch of them were claiming they used automatics for hunting purposes. I suppose restricting to single shot rifles would only make hunting more challenging, eh!
great post.Americans need to pull together whatever side of the gun politics they are and find a solution together. Whatever it takes to protect your children from tradegies this. This makes me so sad, I have no words...
It doesnt help when one group of people dont agree that guns are the problem here.
I sometimes wish one of these shootings would happen at NRA/GOP convention. Wonder what they will think about gun control then?
Predictably, the news here are talking about pointless things like expanding background checks - as opposed to blanket bans of certain types of guns and finding ways to reduce the amount of firearms in the country. Not much will get done while the 2nd amendment is still on the books.
Shooter would be engaged and shot dead within seconds and they would say "told you so".
If everyone there is armed it's likely that, eventually, someone there with a gun on them would kill the attacker after a certain point. That would be held up as support of the 'good guy with a gun' argument while the deaths get marginalized.
Although I think it was after the Las Vegas shooting, one of the performers on stage at the time changed his mind on gun control after highlighting how he wanted to run to his van and grab his gun for protection but that was a completely fecked idea as he'd immediately be considered a suspect and be at risk himself. In the heat of the moment, if everyone whips out guns, how exactly do you know who/where to shoot?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/jason-aldean-vegas-shooting.html
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It's not my place to say what I think about US gun policy since I do not live there or know enough about how it works there. Ban guns, or add heavy armed guards and metal detectors at every school or something inbetween, whatever it takes to keep the children safe. Things like this demand a reaction and not leave things as they are because it's clearly not working...
We had the same problems here in Serbia 15 or so years ago and we found our solution. We were the 2nd country in the world after the US in gun ownership in percentage to population.
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Not sure if posted, also not complete confirmation it's him as his face is covered, but here it is anyway
You are right, you clearly dont know whats happening here. This isnt the 1st time a mass shooting has occurred here. For the past two years we have more mass shootings (4+ killed/injured) per year than there are days in a year. Lets that sink in. We have had 18 SCHOOL shootings in the first 45 days of 2018. You think this is a new issue? The senators wont do shit about it no matter who dies cause all they care about is money. Its as simple as that.
School shootings are undoubtedly an issue but I am not sure where you are getting your numbers?
Wiki actually track school shootings and there have been seven so far this year. One of those was someone firing a pellet gun at a school bus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States
It’s people who are the problem, not guns. So if we get everybody in the States who owns a fire arm to go on a mass shooting spree, then maybe at the end there won’t be any students left to kill, or better still any people left at all. Problem solved!
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