Owning guns isn’t by definition a right wing creedance, a point I’m sure you’re making. If anything it’s right wing to strip the population of that power. It’s just by some ironic twist of fate that this right wing party has found power in the act of enabling that population through gun ownership.
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Owning guns isn’t by definition a right wing creedance, a point I’m sure you’re making. If anything it’s right wing to strip the population of that power. It’s just by some ironic twist of fate that this right wing party has found power in the act of enabling that population through gun ownership.
If I sat at my computer for several hours, I don’t think I could come up with a better response to Colin’s comments than this.
Just seen the video from the classroom posted earlier in the thread. Should be warnings on those videos. I wish I didn't see that. Seeing the blood and body on the floor, made me almost physically sick. I'll go back to not watching any videos in these threads. I don't know how people are so desensitized to that.
It’s not that easy to think a gun will protect you. And also unless you are a very cold blooded person you would be mentally fecked for shooting and killing someone even if it was survivalistic!
There are loads of precautions one could take to prevent home invasions. Thinking a gun would protect you is a myth and one which is propogated by the likes of NRA to suit their agenda!
You’re the one who is having a go at a grieving father’s attire, Colin.
Lyin' Ted Cruz chimes in....
Criminals don't just go house invading into random people's homes all willy nilly. I'm pretty sure there is no such area in the US where house invasions would be common enough to warrant a gun purchase. Never mind that adding firearms into a tense situation with untrained, inexperienced individuals just seems like a ridiculously bad idea.
fecking hate that piece of shit. Receiving over $40,000 from the NRA will make you talk that way.
Link me to that post.
How do these GOP senators sleep at night thinking THEY could have passed laws by now to prevent shit like this from happening time and time again yet they turn the other way just cause money is involved. I mean one shooting, maybe two shooting you cant have a conscience but even after thousands and thousands of people dying, how do you live with yourself?
They probably just frame it the way that they‘re acting consistent with their voters which they perceive as being the job.
It's because many truly believe that the second amendment allows them to own guns and these deaths are collateral damage that is acceptable.
Why should the FBI director have to resign. I doubt he even knew anything about the (shooter) warning that was given. Be more appropriate if the person who made the decision not to follow up on the warning face dismissal.
https://news.sky.com/story/florida-...-calls-to-resign-over-missed-warning-11253857
https://news.sky.com/story/florida-...-calls-to-resign-over-missed-warning-11253857
Its a distraction tactic from the likes of Governor Scott. The blame here lies with the employee who had received the tip, but then failed to have it investigated or pass that information on to the relevant departments.
Their conduct will be looked at and in all likelihood they'll be disciplined or lose their jobs.
At the same time you could argue that if only one employee decides on the fate of a tip of that magnitude there is something wrong with how the FBI is organized which ultimately is the responsibility of the director (if that is in fact what happened).
Personally I wouldn't conclude that Wray has to go either, since the FBI is big and spread agency and protocol probably varies in different places and Wray is at the very top. However I also feel that directing the blame solely on this employee is missing a link.
In 2014, the NRA’s Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) praised Scott, stating, ‘Rick has signed more pro-gun bills into law in one term than any other governor in Florida history’
www.independent.co.uk/voices/florida-gun-problem-laws-school-shooting-governor-rick-scott-blame-a8214151.html%3famp
Rick Scott, the dickhead making that call, is an NRA poster boy.
Plus, the nightclub shooting took place on his watch. I guess he didn't demand his own resignation...
"Cain, I'd like to buy your rock."
Yeah. The rhetoric is that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". In this case the blame is going to be put squarely on the FBI and we'll be in another thread in a few weeks having the same discussions/arguments.
The students at the school are very vocal on this (David Hogg in particular has spoke powerfully) but while the NRA control the USA, nothing will be done. Only change I can realistically see is armed guards at schools. Stuff like raising the age people can buy guns at, banning semi-automatics from being purchased and banning bump stocks are the very minimum that should be done but all would have a negative impact on the NRA and won't happen while the House, the Senate and the White House are in the NRA's hands.
It is mental to me that in the USA, the drinking age is 21 while people can buy guns at 18.
Gun ownership hugely increases your chances of getting shot.
You don't want to give drunk people guns. Someone might get hurt.
You really are an odd little thing aren't you.
People have some funny ideas about the US. What you see on TV, the movies and major news events are not typical. I live in the suburbs of Tampa, which has a decent level of crime. My ground floor bedroom window has been unlocked 24/7 for the last 17 years and we do not have an alarm. I have left my garage door open all night on numerous occasions with thousands of dollars worth of tools and golf clubs sat in plain view. We have been on vacation and left the front door unlocked for two weeks. I have left values like laptops, iPods and even my wallet in plain view in my car. All of those things would result in a crime being committed back home in Manchester. I have never seen any violence when I go to sports events or out drinking. Something I can definitely not say about Manchester.
I saw someone get shot and die in Ybor City.
Must admit I haven't been down there too much in recent years. Used to go a lot back in the early 2000s. Saw someone get beaten up or ended up in bother myself on regluar occasions out in Manchester and Bolton. My best man got his jaw broken by a random passer by in Piccadilly Garden bus station a week before my wedding.
My point was crime is really not much different in most parts of the US. Bad areas of big cities (like Ybor) it can be worse but in the suburbs its a lot lower.
Oh definitely.
Boom she layeth the smackdown!
Wow! That's some very Smart, honest, brave and articulate kids. So sad that they have to take this on themselves as the President and government won't do a thing about it. They are receiving a lot of support, interesting to see where this goes.
Not entirely sure what people expect. It's a political debate on repeat.
A large part will always believe that the solution to gun violence is more guns so that people can protect themselves.
Things like this will happen again and again and again.
Expecting change is just naive.
A large part will always believe that the solution to gun violence is more guns so that people can protect themselves.
Things like this will happen again and again and again.
Expecting change is just naive.
All those kids will bring the NRA down. They don’t know it yet, but it will happen. There are so many young victims of gun violence in this country, it will come back to haunt them.
They won’t accept this. The way they grew up, they know this is not normal and they will do something about it. Not today, not tomorrow, but eventually the NRA will go down.
Attitudes like that are just as much of a problem. And it really isn't a "large part" at all, It's actually relatively small, It's just they shout louder and have bought politicians on their side.
The will of the people is there and as Bill Clinton said the other day, assault rifles were banned before, they can be again. There are plenty of sensible compromises to be made that will help. Doing nothing and giving up is the only sure way that nothing will change. These kids have voices and they are using them, if they only change 10 people's minds It's still a start.
Banning guns is a no brainer. But the bigger issue which no one talks about is the sickness of the society. Its all too easy to say...oh he had mental illness. He was not mentally right that's for sure. But how does the society care for the mentally I'll. What support is there for them? Why are social workers paid so little and the industry funded so badly. And the bigger issue is the cause of mental illness and the mental state of the society as a whole. Does the Facebook generation lead to disassociation. Why is the use of antidepressants skyrocketing. Etc Why....is the question that needs to be answered.
Absolutely right and this shouldn’t be forgotten. Banning guns means fighting the symptoms of a disease that goes far deeper. It’s only one of many ne essay steps. The US needs better healthcare, better distribution of wealth and education for this to get better.
He may well have been mentally ill. However, if he'd been a UK teenager with the same mental health problems, he wouldn't have been able to legally get hold of deadly weapons.
We had a school shooting in Scotland over 20 years ago, where 16 little kids and a teacher died. Within a few years, legislation was enacted to ban handguns. Since then, I think there's only been one mass shooting incident in the UK, and rifles were used in that tragedy. It seems that legislation can actually stop history repeating itself, at least in some situations.
Mental illness is a very broad brush, especially in modern day society.
Every year, about 42.5 million American adults (or 18.2 percent of the total adult population in the United States) suffers from some mental illness, enduring conditions such as depression, bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.
Guns are the problem not mental illness. And in recent years one type of gun has been the main problem, the AR15. High velocity semi automatic weapons with high capacity magazines need banning immediately.
Every year, about 42.5 million American adults (or 18.2 percent of the total adult population in the United States) suffers from some mental illness, enduring conditions such as depression, bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.
Guns are the problem not mental illness. And in recent years one type of gun has been the main problem, the AR15. High velocity semi automatic weapons with high capacity magazines need banning immediately.
Agreed. Hence banning guns is a no brainer. But it will never be resolved until we start dealing with the route if the problem. Sure they will kill less and maybe not even make the news but if they kill one kid that's still not acceptable. The war on drugs has never been won....why? Not dealing with the route of the problem. Same with terrorism. Crime. Immigration. Etc. Until we start helping each other at all levels then we won't find peace.
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