The hate for Real Madrid

kietotheworld said:
Influencing Gibson's career is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about, and while we undoubtedly had an influence on Ronaldo's career, it would be extraordinary to call him an academy player when he came from a different club's academy. I don't see why we shouldn't apply the same standards to Fletcher.
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Fletcher came from OUR academy, you numpty.

Believe it or not, a youth academy includes plenty of 16 year old players, a significant amount of whom played for different clubs in their early teens.

Do you actually think the only players that a club can consider a product of their academy are those that never played for any other club, ever?

Ffs :lol:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Fletcher came from OUR academy, you numpty.

Believe it or not, a youth academy includes plenty of 16 year old players, a significant amount of whom played for different clubs in their early teens.

Do you actually think the only players that a club can consider a product of their academy are those that never played for any other club, ever?

Ffs :lol:
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Did we produce Ronaldo and Pique then? What about Arsenal, did they produce Fabregas?
 
kietotheworld said:
Influencing Gibson's career is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about, and while we undoubtedly had an influence on Ronaldo's career, it would be extraordinary to call him an academy player when he came from a different club's academy. I don't see why we shouldn't apply the same standards to Fletcher.
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Cant be asked, you're clearly on one...
 
While currently powerful, this image of Real Madrid is not an accurate reflection of that club's sportsmanship. At the time, various questions were asked about the manner of some of the team's play. In the semi-final in 1957 against Manchester United in the Bernabeu, for instance, Real Madird were guilty of rough play. Although provoked, Di Stefano openly kicked Jackie Blanchflower in the course of the game but was not sent off. "he [Di Stefano] executed some exquisite dummies and tricks it is true... but he lost his head and made, on Blanchflower of all people, the most squalid foul one remembers to have seen in either representative or cup-tie football. The pretence of a reproof conveyed to Di Stefano at the referee's insistence by his captain almost made one vomit at its cynicism"
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In the 56-57 season, Real and Rapid Vienna drew over the two legs. The play - off should have been played on a neutral ground but Real offered to pay Rapid 25 000 pounds, a large sum of money at the time, if the game took place at Charmartin, Real's home ground. With home advantage, Real won the play - off 2-0, more than justifying their 25 000 pounds investment(Glanville 1991)
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John Charles, who played for Juventus in the 1950's, confirmed that there was a physical side to Real's play: "Yes, Real were a truly great team, made no mistakes about that. But they could dish out the hard stuff too, especially Santamaria. People gloat about them and say they never kicked anybody. Well, they certainly kicked me." The physical side of Real Madrid has been conveniently forgotten as the team has become established in common European folklore as the sanctified representatives of the European Cup.
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They were always bullies. WHat can not be achieved with money it can with a lot of money. That's the way they are. There's no sportsmanship, no values, they are under the wing of Spanish government which always bails them out.

No matter how they feck up, how much money they spend they can always rely on being the favorites in Spain and always get the decisions, loans, etc in their way.

Real lies on past glory when there were couple of teams in the ECC and always brag about their titles in the 50's and 60's. That glory is keeping them in as the supposed "best team in the world" and the fame that goes along. They had the opportunity to literally hold the tournament and get all the preferences and upper hand. Back then very few teams(Real and Barca mostly included) had foreigners in the team. Real always fecked up Barca when it came to transfers, domestic favoritism etc.

There's nothing to like about that club if you are not a supporter. They think they own everything and use all the dirty tricks to achieve their goal, whatever it is.
 
kietotheworld said:
Did we produce Ronaldo and Pique then? What about Arsenal, did they produce Fabregas?
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I think you're getting this all wrong. Ronaldo was purchased for 13m when he was 18/19. Fletcher and O Shea were brought into the academy at the ages of 16, for nothing (or almost nothing). There's a massive difference there.
 
cina said:
I think you're getting this all wrong. Ronaldo was purchased for 13m when he was 18/19. Fletcher and O Shea were brought into the academy at the ages of 16, for nothing (or almost nothing). There's a massive difference there.
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True, there is a difference, but I think being all high and mighty about the players we have supposedly produced, when pretty much all of them were poached from other clubs for next to nothing, is daft.
 
kietotheworld said:
True, there is a difference, but I think being all high and mighty about the players we have supposedly produced, when pretty much all of them were poached from other clubs for next to nothing, is daft.
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Ajax have the biggest and most appreciated academy in the world and are the best at developing and producing talent after talent. However how many of those are poached from other clubs and academies when they were 10-14-16?
 
kietotheworld said:
True, there is a difference, but I think being all high and mighty about the players we have supposedly produced, when pretty much all of them were poached from other clubs for next to nothing, is daft.
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Well I agree on that, but next to nothing? As I said earlier, we've paid quite a bit for our young talent. Ronaldo at £13m was hardly nothing back in 04, and Nani for £14m, Anderson for £17m etc.

If you're talking about the likes of O Shea, Fletcher etc being poached, well that's bullshit really, they were 16 and not professional at the time, that's not poaching at all, that's getting youth, which every single club in world football does.

It's just nonsense to suggest that we're a greater club than Real Madrid in terms of development of youth at the moment really. We're basically the same as them only with far less money.
 
kietotheworld said:
True, there is a difference, but I think being all high and mighty about the players we have supposedly produced, when pretty much all of them were poached from other clubs for next to nothing, is daft.
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you do know that they were coming to United for training before they were 16. you are coming across an idiot in your attempts to be objective.
 
50 year's ago Galacticos. Certainly worthwhile to watch, Di Steafno and Puskas in action.

 
kietotheworld said:
True, there is a difference, but I think being all high and mighty about the players we have supposedly produced, when pretty much all of them were poached from other clubs for next to nothing, is daft.
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You might as well get on your high horse about us "poaching" Giggs from City then. In your retarded world, he's not a product of our academy either.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the rest of us have no problem recognising the difference between clubs that prioritise youth development and those that prefer to buy established stars developed by other clubs.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You might as well get on your high horse about us "poaching" Giggs from City then. In your retarded world, he's not a product of our academy either.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the rest of us have no problem recognising the difference between clubs that prioritise youth development and those that prefer to buy established stars developed by other clubs.
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And which one are we?
 
evra said:
What tripe, we could field an entire side of players we've produced and it would destroy a home-grown Madrid XI.
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Compare our squad, in terms of position and age to theirs, and how much we/they have spent on them

Casillas, £0 - VDS £2m

Marcelo £5m - Evra £7m
Vidic £5m - Carvalho £5m
Ferdinand £30m - Pepe £25m
O Shea £0 - Ramos - £22m

Ronaldo £80m - Valencia £16m
Ozil £14m - Anderson £17m
Di Maria £18m - Nani £14-17m
Kaka £56m - Scholes £0
Alonso £30m - Carrick £18m
Khedeira £17m - Fletcher £0
Canales £4m - Bebe £7m

Rooney £30m - Higuan £10m
Berbatov £30m - Benzema £30m

Not really that much of a difference bar their big spree last year, is there?

Sure you could argue we've more talent in our current youth, Macheda, Rafael, Cleverly etc, but they can't be taken into account for a few years at least. We haven't produced any really top quality youth since the golden era of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes etc.

BaldwinLegend said:
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Rhetorical question, dipshit.
 
cina said:
Compare our squad, in terms of position and age to theirs, and how much we/they have spent on them

Casillas, £0 - VDS £2m

Marcelo £5m - Evra £7m
Vidic £5m - Carvalho £5m
Ferdinand £30m - Pepe £25m
O Shea £0 - Ramos - £22m

Ronaldo £80m - Valencia £16m
Ozil £14m - Anderson £17m
Di Maria £18m - Nani £14-17m
Kaka £56m - Scholes £0
Alonso £30m - Carrick £18m
Khedeira £17m - Fletcher £0
Canales £4m - Bebe £7m

Rooney £30m - Higuan £10m
Berbatov £30m - Benzema £30m

Not really that much of a difference bar their big spree last year, is there?

Sure you could argue we've more talent in our current youth, Macheda, Rafael, Cleverly etc, but they can't be taken into account for a few years at least. We haven't produced any really top quality youth since the golden era of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes etc.



Rhetorical question, dipshit.
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They've spent a shit loads more money than us over the last decade.

Personally, I don't use the word hate when it comes to football, far too strong. But I don't like Real Madrid and enjoy it when they fail. There's plenty of reasons for it. Their arrogance, the methods they use in transfer dealings, their fascist history etc etc.

Unlike many others, I don't particularly like Barca either.
 
If we're comparing the differing approach of the two clubs you don't even need to include their insane spending spree of the last 18 months.

There's a very good reason Real Madrid were the first club to actually come up with a new word to describe an established super-star signed at enormous expense - galactico.

Obviously United has signed a few expensive players over the years but I find it really strange that anyone who is familiar with the history of our club can't see the difference between our own philosophy - when it comes to building a succesful team - and the one that exists at Madrid. I mean seriously, come on.
 
cina said:
Compare our squad, in terms of position and age to theirs, and how much we/they have spent on them

Casillas, £0 - VDS £2m

Marcelo £5m - Evra £7m
Vidic £5m - Carvalho £5m
Ferdinand £30m - Pepe £25m
O Shea £0 - Ramos - £22m

Ronaldo £80m - Valencia £16m
Ozil £14m - Anderson £17m
Di Maria £18m - Nani £14-17m
Kaka £56m - Scholes £0
Alonso £30m - Carrick £18m
Khedeira £17m - Fletcher £0
Canales £4m - Bebe £7m

Rooney £30m - Higuan £10m
Berbatov £30m - Benzema £30m

Not really that much of a difference bar their big spree last year, is there?

Sure you could argue we've more talent in our current youth, Macheda, Rafael, Cleverly etc, but they can't be taken into account for a few years at least. We haven't produced any really top quality youth since the golden era of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes etc.
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Our youth system is world-class, up there with Ajax, Barca et al. Out of the players you listed only Casillas is a youth product, today we could put out a strong team with Brown, O'Shea, Neville, Evans, Fletcher, Giggs, Scholes, Gibson, Wellbeck - Real couldn't put anything like that out on the pitch because their youth development pales in comparison to ours. I could bring up the dozens of products that haven't made it but have gone on to have top-flight, successful careers. The fact is that youth development is part of our ethos, our philosophy of football, Real are impoverished in that respect.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If we're comparing the differing approach of the two clubs you don't even need to include their insane spending spree of the last 18 months.

There's a very good reason Real Madrid were the first club to actually come up with a new word to describe an established super-star signed at enormous expense - galactico.

Obviously United has signed a few expensive players over the years but I find it really strange that anyone who is familiar with the history of our club can't see the difference between our own philosophy - when it comes to building a succesful team - and the one that exists at Madrid. I mean seriously, come on.
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That requires people to BE familiar with our history...
 
Also you're comparing both teams current player by player and forgetting the number of players that Real ditched in the last few years selling them at a loss. That money also counts. You're also ignoring the time span on which that money was spent. That whole Real Madrid midfield were all bought in the past two seasons.

It's one thing to spend 30 million Euro in a squad improvement every other season, it's another to revamp the whole team every 2 or 3 years.

One expects top clubs to spend top money, but when they do it with total disregard for team balance and plan, and limit themselves to buy the top star at the moment irrespective of if they already have very good players doing that job, it shows they just want to flash money and power... We can, so we will.
 
cina said:
Compare our squad, in terms of position and age to theirs, and how much we/they have spent on them

Casillas, £0 - VDS £2m

Marcelo £5m - Evra £7m
Vidic £5m - Carvalho £5m
Ferdinand £30m - Pepe £25m
O Shea £0 - Ramos - £22m

Ronaldo £80m - Valencia £16m
Ozil £14m - Anderson £17m
Di Maria £18m - Nani £14-17m
Kaka £56m - Scholes £0
Alonso £30m - Carrick £18m
Khedeira £17m - Fletcher £0
Canales £4m - Bebe £7m

Rooney £30m - Higuan £10m
Berbatov £30m - Benzema £30m

Not really that much of a difference bar their big spree last year, is there?

Sure you could argue we've more talent in our current youth, Macheda, Rafael, Cleverly etc, but they can't be taken into account for a few years at least. We haven't produced any really top quality youth since the golden era of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes etc.



Rhetorical question, dipshit.
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This gives a much better picture of the differences in how the two clubs are run, instead of a random comparison like the one above:

https://www.redcafe.net/f7/real-madrid-top-spenders-over-last-decade-over-800m-signings-305160/

Real's spending the last 10 years: £800m
United's spending: £350m
 
I used to support Madrid as "my team in spain" but with time I realised I was wrong. To me a football team is more than buying a starting 11 and off we go. Its more interesting seeing certain players develop, becoming legends at the club for more than just their goals but their loyalty, their attitude, how they cherish the shirt they are wearing rather than gunning for the money. Thats what makes the game what it is.

So their philosophy made me lose the respect I had for their predecessors who monopolised the champions league. They are a fashion icon rather than a football club. Thats why I have plenty of respect for Barca, who by the way I hate mainly due to their millions of fanboys worldwide, especially here in Kuwait. Barca have a manager who used to be a ballboy at the club, then their star player, then won EVERYTHING last season. That is one hell of a fairytale. These players love and respect their manager, they love who they are and what their club represents. Even their players come from the youth teams - Messi, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets, Puyol etc..

Like our class of 93. Like the players before them who are now all managers at different clubs. Like Giggsy whose knighthood is just round the corner. Like Ronaldo who came to us funny-looking, weird hair style, tricksy-quaresma-esque player transformed into the best player in the world.

I could go on and on ..

Now compare that to Madrid .. Since Raul and Casillas, what recent history can they mention?
 
cina said:
Are they? The scandal of recent times has somewhat thwarted my opinion of Italian clubs. I used to see Juventus as being a good club, never spent huge amounts, did well and liked to play good football. Now? Bunch of cheating cnuts.

I think a lot of people dislike RM for the simple fact that they're the only club in the world with a bigger fanbase than us.
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I stay in India and United are much bigger here than Real. So I'm not sure I agree that they have a bigger fan base. In Asia, it's United and Liverpool ahead of Real IMO.

Still they're just not very likeable at all. It's a club that lacks a certain charm and humility. They just have a feel of a shallow club despite winning lots and having a lot of history. It's pretty much all about glory at Real.
 
I hate Atletic Bilbao, they don't embrace ANYBODY who isn't from there, That is just feckED UP


I hate...Almeria, for having what looks like a basket ball on their club badge, how confused can a team be?

I hate Atletico Madrid, for losing to Real Madrid AT HOME every single fecking season, every season? YES, every season, the low expectation having...

I hate Barcelona for having Messi, yes that's the definition of a hater but I don't care. Somebody tell Pep to give the midget a rest, he plays him 400 games per season, let him rest. Pep try winning 3 games in a row without using Messi if you're such a great coach, he's going to be moving like an old man in 2 years.

I hate Deportivo for losing their unbeaten record to Madrid last season at the Riazor , that might not be a reason to hate for some of you, but that's all I require

I hate Espanyol, because Luis Garcia is the biggest diver of all fecking times. This is actally a true.. rumor..that he actually spends time out diving on the beaches. The Sky Sports commentator said it a few years back damn it. Can you imagine that? Try get a mental image there, somebody on his own....with no football... diving untill the sun goes down, it makes me sick.

I can't stand Getafe, who gets sponsored by Burger King? What type of Mickey Mouse shit is that??! Burger King and football don't mix! Are you telling me I can get a flamed grilled whopper at the Alfonso Perez? NO? Then take that stupid shit off your shirt. Have some damn self respect

I hate Hercules. I used to think Madrid were arrogant, untill a team that won only 7 games to get promoted has the NERVE to be called HERCULES. You ain't no fecking Hercules, Mancheser United is Hercules. You guys are more 'Megara'

I hate Levante because we all know they are going back down this season, it's what they are good for.

I hate Malaga because Ronaldo broke Mtiliga's nose last season.

I actually can't stand Mallorca. This has to be the most unappreciative team in the history of football. They get into Europe for the first time in dogyears and get kicked out straight away for being broke, how selfish can a team be

Like I told Baldwin, Osasuna are cool, they have done nothing to nobody.

I hate Racing because they lose to Barca every single season. They might aswell not play the damn match.

I hate Madrid for going after Nani in one year!

I hate Real Soceidad, for having Real in their names. I don't want to be reminded of Madrid! and we all know they are going back down this season.

I hate Sevilla for having such a hostile atmosphere in LaLiga, can't we all just get along?

I hate Sporting for having the same kit as Atletico. I hate Valencia for losing their two best players in one summer and for the Mestalla being the quietest stadium in football.

I hate Villareal for having the second most quiet atmosphere in Laliga and the fact we never beat them in Europe. I hate Zaragoza for being racist to Eto'o

I hate Whoopi Goldberg, I don't even have a reason. I just can't stand her.

I hate Grosso, I really can't stand him. I don't know why but I better not see him

I just had to get that out, I feel spiritually clensed
 
If Nani keeps developing his game, Madrid or barca will sooner or later come in for him, and he will go there.
 
esmufc10 said:
What about the way we treated Keane? Refusing to give him a pay-rise and then when we did, telling fans that was the reason ticket prices were being raised?

I'm not denying Madrid have acted the cnut in the past, and they'll continue to do so, but so have we.
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Why are you talking about United ? Isn't the main subject "Real Madrid" ? What's with all the "what about us ?"
So United isn't angel regarding some players so we shouldn't criticize Madrid who does it more regularly and more fiercely ? Something doesn't compute
 
Mockney said:
They may have even seen the Arsenal invincibles play a brand of football far and beyond anything Madrid have managed in 50 years. What, Zinedine Zidane’s glorious 2002 final winner aside, would they have seen so strikingly alluring and uniquely special about Madrid? Steve McManaman? Really?

Will the Real 'Biggest Club in the World' please stand up | FootballFanCast.com
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This really isn't true. Madrid won the Champions League three times between 1998 and 2002. In doing so they played some spectacular football: a brand of football which certainly wasn't bettered by a reasonably successful domestic side which didn't quite cut the mustard in Europe.
 
I prefer Barca to Real. Real have been the most successful club but Barcelona have had the bigger stars over the years.

Barcelona attract the best players of each generation: Cruyff in the 70's, Maradona in the 80's, Romario and Ronaldo in the 90's, Ronaldinho and Messi in the 00's.
 
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