The hate for Real Madrid

esmufc10 said:
I'm not being an apologist, I'm just trying to find out why so many people hate them. Pogue tells me all they're fans are Nazi's, which is fair enough to be honest. Mockney doesn't like it that that evil man Perez has deviously tricked the entire world into believing his club are bigger than they actually are. The Taurean doesn't like them because they act arrogant by buying the best players in the world for large fees.

I'm not too clued up on the finances of Madrid, so I won't comment.
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For me it's mainly two fold.

Firstly, and mainly, because they were Franco's team which ensured they were the richest and most powerful team in Spain. This involved everything from teams fearing to beat them, having the best players taken from other teams to play for Real and let's just say extremely dubious refreeeing decisions in their favour.

Secindly becuause they will never really be in debt. they are consistently being bailed out by the Spanish government. A example was their training pitch being bought off the for about ten times it's value and then given back to them, all done by the government. This when the club had massive debts. the sale of the training ground managed to cover those debts, convenient no?
 
esmufc10 said:
And it's their policy, is our policy of getting players whilst they're young and blending them with more experienced players any better? Why is it better? I
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Well it clearly is better. It's giving younger players a chance to prove themselves at the top level, make a career and a name for themselves, etc etc, whilst helping the club too. It's almost symbiotic. Whereas Madrid's policy is all short term and one way..

Would you be disgusted if we said to Barcelona, "We like the look of that boy Messi, how much?" There's nothing wrong with signing top players. Top players are going to cost a lot of money. Top players are going to already be paying for the top clubs. But apparently offering their clubs very good prices for them is arrogant, I'm not sure how that works.
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You're dismissing, or omitting, the way in which Madrid do business. Using their media contacts, players, coaches et all to both publically and privately talk to and about their targets. It creates a situation that didn't exist prior, putting pressure on both the club and player to do or say something ...Rather than a behind the scenes approach which can be quietly rejected. It's about a way of doing business respectfully that they ignore completely and which you don't seem to think is bad because "hey, well, if the player wants to, it's vinicated"..it's a any means to an end attitude tho elvis. It's akin to saying "well what's wrong with ubiquitous CCTV? If you've got nothing to hide, you've got no problem. It's about the unethical way they opperate. It IS different to how we "bully" smaller clubs.

They know the right channel approaches will be rebuffed in the bigger cases, so they make it public, and noisy...it's bullying. And we don't do it on nearly the same level. you're being disingenous and engregious by trying to claim we, or anyone for that matter do....You're talking about the ideas, and ignoring the practicalities. IMO.

In another thread I did but in this one I was simply asking why people hate Madrid. Pogue's told me he does because all they're fans are nazi's

I don't need any hierachy. You're problem seems to be with marketing. Perez has marketed them so much and whatnot that people falsely believe them to be bigger than they actually are. The same can be said of us. We pale in comparison to the likes of Milan, Bayern, Ajax and Madrid in Europe and we also pale in comparison to them when it comes to league titles. So what makes us bigger? That we have a lot of fans in the Far East because we whore ourselves out there?
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So why do you keep asking "who is the biggest then?" in retaliation to people telling you a reason they're hated is their constant assertion they are..., I'm not putting forwards ourselves. I don't think we are the biggest, but I think we're in a group of clubs, which also includes Liverpool from this country, who have a right to claim they're amongst the biggest...The reason I don't think there is a biggest is because each clubs success is relative...as I've said about Madrid, both their League and European success is tainted to a degree by their history and by the historically uncompetative nature of their league. Not completely obviously, but to some extent and cases can easily be made for other club's successes being more impressive or more of an achivement. Added to this Madrid fail to be the top in almost all the other catagories for which greatness could be ranked.

So I am asking you, why you it's Madrid, then everyone else?
 
esmufc10 said:
I don't get why it's arrogant though? Was our pursuit of Carrick arrogant? Or Berbatov? What if Calderon had picked up Ronaldo from an airport when we'd accepted a bid from Barcelona? How would you view that sort of behaviour?
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the transfer in itself is not the crux here but rather the viewpoint held in pursuing a player.

As for the berba transfer and the supposedly airport pick-up there are 2 points. It was alleged and not proven. Also, i doubt United would risk a huge legal implication from such a situation. And its not just from Spurs.

As far as the topic, I don't hate Madrid for the sake of it. They are a huge club and I have respect for what the club has achieved and represented. And certainly not for the way they have come to be managed now. btw nice topic to play the devils advocate!
 
esmufc10 said:
I'Mockney doesn't like it that that evil man Perez has deviously tricked the entire world into believing his club are bigger than they actually are..
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It's not that. Or not just that. It's what he's done with that, and how it's influenced the way they act and their ethos.

jojojo said:
That would be Casillas and if you're bringing Cantona into the equation that would also be Raul and Guti.
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Indeed. And that's it. 3 Players, only 2 of which great, in the span of the last decade. Even Chelsea could top that.

Whereas I grew up in the 60s/70s thinking that Real Madrid and Milan were the biggest draws you could get and Madrid the most glamorous team (though of course back then, Dynamo Kiev sounded exotic)

The 70s/early 80s were the Bayern/Ajax/England (but not us) years. Since Spain started to score again in Europe in the 90s Barcelona have won 3 (their only three) and so have Madrid (to add to their older 6)

Real Madrid have more than just marketing on their side. Like us, they've a long history, a lot of success and a lot of fans.
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Yeah I worded that badly, as elvis picked up on too...I'm not by any stretch of the imagination claiming Madrid were nobodies, or actually anonymous...Of course they weren't. They had the Quinte Del Buitre generation in the mid-80s for a start..I was trying to imply rather heavy handedly that they weren't viewed like they view themselves now. Between the late 60s and 90s they weren't significantly bigger than all the other big clubs, and as time went by, the Milans an Barca's were just as big ...It's only since the CL period where they've started this "Madrid, then everyone else" approach...It'd be like Liverpool winning the PL again and suddenly claiming to be the biggest team in the world...or even doing so in 2005 to some degree.



There's also of course - fairly or unfairly - this sneaking suspicion of Madrid, that's it's ties with the Govnt and Monarchy of Spain, even now, make it seem like a spoiled little rich kid analogy. That the Uniteds/Liverpools/Barcas/Bayerns etc are all these working class clubs that did good and made themselves what they are, and Madrid is the daddy's boy on a trust fund that got all the breaks and all the help and then turned round and went "ha ha, I'm the greatest, I've done the best, nah nah"...And however fair or not that is, it's can't be shaken and contributes a little to the dislike and distrust.
 
Mockney said:
4 of their CLs coming in the competitions inception before English teams even competed)
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Have to correct you there - only the very first European Cup in 1955-56 wasn't represented by an English club. And Madrid's team was so strong at that time I don't think it would have made any difference had there been an English First Division XI selected to take them on.

Ultimately the most tangible (not the only) indicator of success is how many European Cups you've won and Madrid racing out to 9 titles earlier in the decade (nearest challenger on 5 at the time) gave Perez plenty of ammunition to market his club as the biggest in the world. I agree that they're one of a handful of clubs in that upper echelon of "biggest clubs in the world" and would be surprised if there's many proper fans who see them as head and shoulders above anybody else.
 
Gio said:
Have to correct you there - only the very first European Cup in 1955-56 wasn't represented by an English club. And Madrid's team was so strong at that time I don't think it would have made any difference had there been an English First Division XI selected to take them on..
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Standing corrected. Not sure why I thought that. Especially since all of those teams bar one were us.
 
Who cares how big other clubs are as long as we are happy to follow United?

Real are probably "bigger" than us, whatever this means, should we care though?
 
I don't hate madrid but there are plenty of reason to hate them. The fact they think they are bigger and better than everyone is annoying and despite their lack of success they still have the biggest draw in world football. Add to that the history of the club and if you want to talk about why a United fan would hate them then they have plenty of reasons. SAF isn't exactly their biggest fan so i'm sure he'd be delighted to hear about all the United fans who are happy to fawn over them.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
I don't hate madrid but there are plenty of reason to hate them. The fact they think they are bigger and better than everyone is annoying and despite their lack of success they still have the biggest draw in world football. Add to that the history of the club and if you want to talk about why a United fan would hate them then they have plenty of reasons. SAF isn't exactly their biggest fan so i'm sure he'd be delighted to hear about all the United fans who are happy to fawn over them.
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9 European Cup's, 31 La Liga's, 3 Intercontinental Cup's, 17 Copa Del Rey. Yeah, they are lagging well behind us aren't they? :rolleyes:
 
FranklyVulgar said:
in recent years... everyone knows the history. I'm talking about now, they havent won anything in 3 years.
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Doesn't matter, we went 3 years without a title not so long ago but it didn't effect our standing in the world game, the same applies to Madrid.

Their trophy count dwarfs everyone else's, they've never been relegated, they attract the best players, they are simply the biggest club in the world without a shadow of a doubt, no matter how you look at it.

That doesn't mean they aren't a hive of cnuts though, because they are and the Bernabeu is a viper's nest for any underperforming player.
 
WireRed said:
9 European Cup's, 31 La Liga's, 3 Intercontinental Cup's, 17 Copa Del Rey. Yeah, they are lagging well behind us aren't they? :rolleyes:
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The thing is, their record is Spain is rather unimpressive. Winning so much whilst the heavily endowed favorite son of the Monarchy & Govnt in a League where only 9 teams have ever won it in it's history and in which 2 teams account for nearly 70% of it's all time winners (Barcas 20 wins is almost more of an achievement really).....Bigging it up so much is playing into their hype IMO. But then again I really really don't like them.
 
Mockney said:
The thing is, their record is Spain is rather unimpressive. Winning so much whilst the heavily endowed favorite son of the Monarchy & Govnt in a League where only 9 teams have ever won it in it's history and in which 2 teams account for nearly 70% of it's all time winners (Barcas 20 wins is almost more of an achievement really).....Bigging it up so much is playing into their hype IMO. But then again I really really don't like them.
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Listen, I'm not Real's biggest fan either but that's just a load of poppycock. If you listen to Barca, they like Madrid will spout nonsense to suit their own agenda, that agenda being "Oh, look at us, we are angelic little Barca, victims of the Franco dictatorship, we uphold all that is pure in the game unlike those Castillian cnuts at Castle Greyskull, yada, yada, yada". It's just propaganda, a load of crap that people have bought into.

Madrid's 31 titles and 9 CL's outweigh anything Barca bring to the table. Barca haven't had all the hardships to deal with like they'd have you believe, they won only 1 title with Cryuff on board, massive underachievement, it took them until 1992 to win a CL by which time Madrid had 6, again, massive underachievement. They can only blame themselves for that but they won't, they'll continue to blame Madrid/Franco for all their flops and underachievement over the years.
 
I just don't like how the club is managed.... They simply can be the best team in the world but they just don't play that good... The potential the individuals there are worldclass but they never gelled or played anywhere near their full potential.

To sum it up, they make me sick cuz their management... + Marca, not their players.
 
Mockney said:
The thing is, their record is Spain is rather unimpressive. Winning so much whilst the heavily endowed favorite son of the Monarchy & Govnt in a League where only 9 teams have ever won it in it's history and in which 2 teams account for nearly 70% of it's all time winners (Barcas 20 wins is almost more of an achievement really).....Bigging it up so much is playing into their hype IMO. But then again I really really don't like them.
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Probably one of the reasons why we all started getting tired of Barcelona.

As if it's entirely stacked in Real Madrid's favour. Barcelona get their own TV deal, unsettle players, wasted plenty of careers themselves, before Rijkaard, for a few years, they played a brand of football so uninspiring that it wasn't funny.

But then, you really really don't like Madrid. So you have to big up little Barcelona who had given the big bully Madrid the bird. :wenger:
 
:lol: at the Barca haters jumping on scraps....Calm down dears. I said "almost more" in a flippant way. Barca are little better no, certainly not now, but to pretend they've historically had it just as good as Royal Madrid? feck me... I wasn't talking about this era with it's TV deals, I was talking about their 20 wins vs Reals 31. Now there's virtually no difference between them save their style of football..but however much you hate Barca you can't deny that Real have had everything dealt far more in their favour for their entire history so it's an achievement for anyone to have won that League...Bilbao's 8 wins probably being more of an achievement than either...Hell only 9 teams ever have won it! and only 5 more than twice...and Barca and Real account for almost 70% of them. Steam Boat Willie FFS. Madrid are the spoiled little trustafarians of football. No one has had it as easy as them....not even horrid little Barca
 
kietotheworld said:
True, there is a difference, but I think being all high and mighty about the players we have supposedly produced, when pretty much all of them were poached from other clubs for next to nothing, is daft.
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It's not like that. You're not exactly with a club until you sign a contract. O'Shea was going about trials with this club and that club. Liverpool didn't want him but later we did. He didn't cost nothing but he's our development.

Messi was bought for about 200k but he's still Barcelona's development. He's been there since he was 14.

And Real have a lot of products in the league. Soldado, Mata, Arbeloa, Casillas, Granero, Jurado, Negredo (arguably). There could me named more but these are the ones that are good.
 
I think a lot of hate is out of jealousy, real pull shit that united does just on a bigger scale.
 
Alex said:
I think a lot of hate is out of jealousy, real pull shit that united does just on a bigger scale.
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I've never met any Red mention Real Madrid. So, where's this hate that Elv's going on about? And Elv you're just in love with Mourinho, that's all.
 
Mockney said:
:lol: at the Barca haters jumping on scraps....Calm down dears. I said "almost more" in a flippant way. Barca are little better no, certainly not now, but to pretend they've historically had it just as good as Royal Madrid? feck me... I wasn't talking about this era with it's TV deals, I was talking about their 20 wins vs Reals 31. Now there's virtually no difference between them save their style of football..but however much you hate Barca you can't deny that Real have had everything dealt far more in their favour for their entire history so it's an achievement for anyone to have won that League...Bilbao's 8 wins probably being more of an achievement than either...Hell only 9 teams ever have won it! and only 5 more than twice...and Barca and Real account for almost 70% of them. Steam Boat Willie FFS. Madrid are the spoiled little trustafarians of football. No one has had it as easy as them....not even horrid little Barca
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Well, during the 80s and the majority of the 90s, Barca were Spain's glamour club. Put it this way, growing up in the 80s Barca were Europe's biggest club in terms of wealth and glamour. Juve weren't far behind. . .and we were er. . .sleeping. But yeah, we were in awe of them. They had the lot - Maradona, best stadium in the world and bags of money.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Well, during the 80s and the majority of the 90s, Barca were Spain's glamour club. Put it this way, growing up in the 80s Barca were Europe's biggest club in terms of wealth and glamour. Juve weren't far behind. . .and we were er. . .sleeping. But yeah, we were in awe of them. They had the lot - Maradona, best stadium in the world and bags of money.
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Interesting - I wonder what about Barcelona was capturing United fans' imaginations in the 80s. Maradona only played 36 games for them. They only won La Liga once. My theory, and I'll be happy to hear differently, is that we saw them as kindred spirits - the provincials fighting for respect. The fact we started winning the League at about the same time as they became Spain's top team (for some of the 90s) probably reinforced that.

To get success they went shopping for some of the world's best players - Cruyff in the 70s, Maradona, Stoichkov, Laudrup, Romario (and yes, Lineker and Hughes) later.

They might have seemed glamorous in the 80s, I don't really remember seeing them that way, maybe I wasn't paying attention. Successful - not really. Like Madrid from 2000 on, the glamour of the 80s/90s Barca team was bought in with its ability to attract star players.
 
Err.. Who's hating Barcelona now?

There's Mockney and team saying he really really doesn't like Madrid. And there are others who think Barcelona are praised a little too much.

So, anybody who suggests that Barcelona are no angels themselves must be all Madrid lovers and Barca haters? Get off your high horses you numpties.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Well, during the 80s and the majority of the 90s, Barca were Spain's glamour club. Put it this way, growing up in the 80s Barca were Europe's biggest club in terms of wealth and glamour. Juve weren't far behind. . .and we were er. . .sleeping. But yeah, we were in awe of them. They had the lot - Maradona, best stadium in the world and bags of money.
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I thought AC Milan during the late 80's and 90's were the glamour club.
 
Boss said:
Hating teams that aren't even in the country is kind of corny.

Next we'll be boycotting Pasta
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I've been eating delicious pasta in Milan all week. Got to have a wonder round the San Siro too. Nice.

To be perfectly honest "hate" is far too strong a word to use about anything to do with football. Even local rivalries shouldn't be enough to provoke genuine hatred. When you're talking about a team you can go several years without even playing once then it's clearly absurd to decide you "hate" them.

Having said all that, it's perfectly natural for football fans to form opinions on other clubs around the world. You can admire them for the football they play, the ethos of the club, the way they're run and their pedigree in the game. Similarly there can be clubs you don't have any time for, for all sorts of reasons. I guess it boils down to whether you'd want club X to win or lose a game of football in which your team isn't involved.

On that basis I "hate" Barca and Real Madrid equally but I have a helluva lot more time for Barca as a football club than I do for the bunch of cnuts that play in white.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
I don't hate madrid but there are plenty of reason to hate them. The fact they think they are bigger and better than everyone is annoying and despite their lack of success they still have the biggest draw in world football. Add to that the history of the club and if you want to talk about why a United fan would hate them then they have plenty of reasons. SAF isn't exactly their biggest fan so i'm sure he'd be delighted to hear about all the United fans who are happy to fawn over them.
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To be fair that's where the 'size' of a club comes in. We went three years without winning a big trophy, wasn't much of a problem because United is a giant club. Same case with Real. Liverpool signed Torres despite not having won anything for aeons.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I've been eating delicious pasta in Milan all week. Got to have a wonder round the San Siro too. Nice.

To be perfectly honest "hate" is far too strong a word to use about anything to do with football. Even local rivalries shouldn't be enough to provoke genuine hatred. When you're talking about a team you can go several years without even playing once then it's clearly absurd to decide you "hate" them.

Having said all that, it's perfectly natural for football fans to form opinions on other clubs around the world. You can admire them for the football they play, the ethos of the club, the way they're run and their pedigree in the game. Similarly there can be clubs you don't have any time for, for all sorts of reasons. I guess it boils down to whether you'd want club X to win or lose a game of football in which your team isn't involved.

On that basis I "hate" Barca and Real Madrid equally but I have a helluva lot more time for Barca as a football club than I do for the bunch of cnuts that play in white.
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I don't mind disliking other clubs aswell, but to actually 'hate' a club from outside the country your team plays for is a bit weird.

To be fair I doubt people in this thread actually 'hate' Barca or Madrid. The thread title is too dramatic
 
jojojo said:
Interesting - I wonder what about Barcelona was capturing United fans' imaginations in the 80s. Maradona only played 36 games for them. They only won La Liga once. My theory, and I'll be happy to hear differently, is that we saw them as kindred spirits - the provincials fighting for respect. The fact we started winning the League at about the same time as they became Spain's top team (for some of the 90s) probably reinforced that.

To get success they went shopping for some of the world's best players - Cruyff in the 70s, Maradona, Stoichkov, Laudrup, Romario (and yes, Lineker and Hughes) later.

They might have seemed glamorous in the 80s, I don't really remember seeing them that way, maybe I wasn't paying attention. Successful - not really. Like Madrid from 2000 on, the glamour of the 80s/90s Barca team was bought in with its ability to attract star players.
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It was the whole package. Barca were the richest club in the world, their wealth used to dwarf ours and Rangers' - they just seemed to be in a different solar system compared to us in those days. I think the whole El Tel thing gave them even more coverage in the UK but yeah if you add their stadium into the mix along with likes of Maradona and it was no wonder we thought they were the most glamorous club in the world. But I'm not sure kids growing up in the UK were aware of Barca being a provincial club fighting against Franco's boys. As for Diego, you have to realise that Espana 82 was the first time most of us got the chance to see the likes of Maradona and Zico. So we had a face to the name and he played for Barca. Real at that time may as well not've existed, they were in the history books despite making the European Cup final! see, size and glamour isn't equated by success. I think the galactico policy helped Real, because prior to that they were just another club, a big one at that but in no way more appealing than Barca, Juve or Milan or even a host of other Italian clubs (The SerieA was the benchmark).

fishfingers15 said:
I thought AC Milan during the late 80's and 90's were the glamour club.
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Yeah, I was talking about the early to mid 80s. Milan weren't great until the late 80s.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
It was the whole package. Barca were the richest club in the world, their wealth used to dwarf ours and Rangers' - they just seemed to be in a different solar system compared to us in those days. I think the whole El Tel thing gave them even more coverage in the UK but yeah if you add their stadium into the mix along with likes of Maradona and it was no wonder we thought they were the most glamorous club in the world. But I'm not sure kids growing up in the UK were aware of Barca being a provincial club fighting against Franco's club. As for Diego, you have to realise that Espana 82 was the first time most of us got the chance to see the likes of Maradona and Zico. So we had a face to the name and he played for Barca. Real at that time may as well not existed, they were in the history books despite making the European Cup final! see, size and glamour isn't equated by success. I think the galactico policy helped Real, because prior to that they were just another club, a big one at that but in no way more appealing than Barca, Juve or Milan or even a host of other Italian clubs (The SerieA was the benchmark).
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I remember hearing how this whole galactico things came about because Madrid wanted to get our kind of popularity, and to be fair the whole galatico thing is not that long ago
 
Boss said:
I remember hearing how this whole galactico things came about because Madrid wanted to get our kind of popularity, and to be fair the whole galatico thing is not that long ago
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Yes, it's the main reason why they like to buy our players as well. We create huge stars due to our global appeal. They buy them. From us.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
It was the whole package. Barca were the richest club in the world, their wealth used to dwarf ours and Rangers' - they just seemed to be in a different solar system compared to us in those days. I think the whole El Tel thing gave them even more coverage in the UK but yeah if you add their stadium into the mix along with likes of Maradona and it was no wonder we thought they were the most glamorous club in the world. But I'm not sure kids growing up in the UK were aware of Barca being a provincial club fighting against Franco's boys. As for Diego, you have to realise that Espana 82 was the first time most of us got the chance to see the likes of Maradona and Zico. So we had a face to the name and he played for Barca. Real at that time may as well not've existed, they were in the history books despite making the European Cup final! see, size and glamour isn't equated by success. I think the galactico policy helped Real, because prior to that they were just another club, a big one at that but in no way more appealing than Barca, Juve or Milan or even a host of other Italian clubs (The SerieA was the benchmark).



Yeah, I was talking about the early to mid 80s. Milan weren't great until the late 80s.
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Fair enough, I only ask because with their whole talented Dutch contingent, AC Milan matches were constantly aired in Sri Lanka and India.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I've been eating delicious pasta in Milan all week. Got to have a wonder round the San Siro too. Nice.

To be perfectly honest "hate" is far too strong a word to use about anything to do with football. Even local rivalries shouldn't be enough to provoke genuine hatred. When you're talking about a team you can go several years without even playing once then it's clearly absurd to decide you "hate" them.

Having said all that, it's perfectly natural for football fans to form opinions on other clubs around the world. You can admire them for the football they play, the ethos of the club, the way they're run and their pedigree in the game. Similarly there can be clubs you don't have any time for, for all sorts of reasons. I guess it boils down to whether you'd want club X to win or lose a game of football in which your team isn't involved.

On that basis I "hate" Barca and Real Madrid equally but I have a helluva lot more time for Barca as a football club than I do for the bunch of cnuts that play in white.
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Are you Andy Goram in disguise?
 
Real grounds for complaint
by Martin Samuel

Clever old Real Madrid have found a way of making the books balance again. Florentino Perez , the club president, has been searching for land near the Bernabeu Stadium, with a view to building a shopping centre.

Fortunately, he has a good friend in Alberto Ruiz Gallardon, mayor of the city and a leading figure in Spain’s People’s Party (Partido Popular).

Gallardon has generously agreed to swap a piece of land in the middle of town, for another that Madrid own in Las Tablas, a nondescript suburb.

The acreage in Las Tablas was most recently valued in Madrid’s accounts at £420,000. Strangely, the land from the city was worth £19million.

The explanation is that the city owed Madrid roughly £17m from a previous transaction 13 years ago, although some remain sceptical about the details.

Sounds like a job for Jacobo Beltran, one of the nine members of the UEFA Financial Control Panel set up by president Michel Platini to study the proper implementation of financial fair play.

Although as Beltran, like Gallardon, is a member of Partido Popular, and third secretary in the Madrid Assembly which it controls, perhaps not.
 
I'm a bit annoyed they play in such a crap league that they get to play outrageously unbalanced attacking formations and get away with it. So they get these inflated goal returns and so people think they're better than they are.

And of course in Spain they get all the light weight calls, not even the same game that's played in England.
 
antihenry said:
Real grounds for complaint
by Martin Samuel

Clever old Real Madrid have found a way of making the books balance again. Florentino Perez , the club president, has been searching for land near the Bernabeu Stadium, with a view to building a shopping centre.

Fortunately, he has a good friend in Alberto Ruiz Gallardon, mayor of the city and a leading figure in Spain’s People’s Party (Partido Popular).

Gallardon has generously agreed to swap a piece of land in the middle of town, for another that Madrid own in Las Tablas, a nondescript suburb.

The acreage in Las Tablas was most recently valued in Madrid’s accounts at £420,000. Strangely, the land from the city was worth £19million.

The explanation is that the city owed Madrid roughly £17m from a previous transaction 13 years ago, although some remain sceptical about the details.

Sounds like a job for Jacobo Beltran, one of the nine members of the UEFA Financial Control Panel set up by president Michel Platini to study the proper implementation of financial fair play.

Although as Beltran, like Gallardon, is a member of Partido Popular, and third secretary in the Madrid Assembly which it controls, perhaps not.
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Madrid getting help from the Government? No way. :rolleyes:
 
Magic money. It really grates too because it's not like they're City who need money constantly ploughed into them. They are a massive team, neck and neck with us and Barcelona but the sales and money that come with that moniker just isn't enough......it has gotta be that bit more.
 
I've thawed a little in my hatred of Madrid. It may be because they've been put so firmly in their place by Barca over the last couple of years, in the same way that I stopped hating Arsenal after they stopped being a genuine title threat. They're looking pretty good so far this season though, so I might just have to start hating them again.
 
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