The MMA thread

EZee said:
what about barnet!! http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/csac-barnett-positive-for-steroid-18671

and more interestingly what now for fedor?

perhaps its just me being hopefull but http://www.sherdog.com/news/blog/is-there-a-solution-to-the-emelianenkoufc-puzzle-18570 makes a bit if sence and there does not seem much left for him to do if he cant fight barnett...

i really really really wanna see brock vs fedor!....
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feck me :eek: didn't see that coming. I think this is the spurring that Fedor needs to go to pastures anew tbh, if Dana could take his thumb out of his arse and just let Fedor sign the contract on his own terms (be it allowing him to attend sambo tourneys or whatnot) then I think I'd be the happiest guy on the planet.
 
AlwynP said:
feck me :eek: didn't see that coming. I think this is the spurring that Fedor needs to go to pastures anew tbh, if Dana could take his thumb out of his arse and just let Fedor sign the contract on his own terms (be it allowing him to attend sambo tourneys or whatnot) then I think I'd be the happiest guy on the planet.
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But it's not just the Sambo tournaments, it's the fact that Fedor's manager (Vadim Finklestein), who owns M-1, wants to co-promote any cards with fedor. Dana's never going to let that happen. Fedor and the UFC will probably never happen. :(
 
RedCanadian said:
But it's not just the Sambo tournaments, it's the fact that Fedor's manager (Vadim Finklestein), who owns M-1, wants to co-promote any cards with fedor. Dana's never going to let that happen. Fedor and the UFC will probably never happen. :(
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This isn't true.

In the original negotiation, Vadim suggested that he would be open to helping the UFC enter the Russian market but co-promoting their events there. This had nothing to do with the contract itself. A very shallow attempt to "help" the UFC help him perhaps.

The sticking points in the Fedor contract are this.

1) Signing over image rights. For example, UFC Undisputed sold 1 million + units. Not a single fighter in that game received any money for appearing in the game.

2) The automatic contract renewal as champion. Essentially so long as Fedor holds the belt he cannot leave the UFC. Additionally, the UFC can terminate your contract after a loss without notice or otherwise justification.

Those are the two primary hangups in the contract.

Sherdog is a total fecking cesspool by the way.
 
Nucks said:
This isn't true.

In the original negotiation, Vadim suggested that he would be open to helping the UFC enter the Russian market but co-promoting their events there. This had nothing to do with the contract itself. A very shallow attempt to "help" the UFC help him perhaps.

The sticking points in the Fedor contract are this.

1) Signing over image rights. For example, UFC Undisputed sold 1 million + units. Not a single fighter in that game received any money for appearing in the game.

2) The automatic contract renewal as champion. Essentially so long as Fedor holds the belt he cannot leave the UFC. Additionally, the UFC can terminate your contract after a loss without notice or otherwise justification.

Those are the two primary hangups in the contract.

Sherdog is a total fecking cesspool by the way.
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image rights... well lesnar has a deal where he earns more in ppv than other fighters... so im sure some compramise could be reached there

cotract renewall... i think thats the problem... i dont think fedor is worried about them terminating a deal as firstly i cant see the sence in the ufc tearing his deal up if he lost as he would still be marketable and secondly because there are plenty of other promotions who would want him... but the auto renewall is probably an issue...

as for the sambo and stuff i can see why the ufc are so worried because if he was allowed to do that what is to stop maia and penn enetering bjj comps, what is to stop gsp wrestling or silva taking the roy jones fight he wants...

not only would the ufc then not be making money out of its stars it would be risking them getting injured...

if they could soprt out the contract renewall then it miht happen but i guess if fedor was desperate to go there he would have done it by now so im just gonna assume it wont happen but secretly hope it does...

otherwise ufc must be worried that mir and noguera will walk after their contracts are up for a big fight with fedor (then loose and then go back to ufc... potentially devaluing the ufc title as we all know who the true no1 heavyweight is)
 
Did say to you guys that i would let you know how i went on in my first cage fight in Newcastle, well being a man of my word i will be honest... I got KO'd

I got in with the intention of hitting on the move and nailing the guy if he made a mistake, twenty years Muay Thai should of helped me with that.The trouble is i have been having plenty of really good sparring with very good standard Muay thai lads but they have a certain way of sparring which i think dosen't always suit the cage.

It's very tip-tap then explode where as to my peril i found the fella pretty much came in guns blazing form the start, he backed me up straight away with left right crosses which to my credit i did manage to slip then shoot for a double leg take down. He had me in single leg half guard after the shoot and he had it on very tight so i just pummled his ribs as much as possble.

To his credit i think he turned me with a butterfly sweep because i was loading my body shots and he then side controlled me which became a stalemate, the ref stood us up and this is where it went wrong for me.

I had my back against the cage and when the ref stepped back the lad came straight back in, i thought he was going to left- right cross again so i nailed him a jab and slipped to my right. Unfortunately he flung a straight arm left hook type thing which took half the audience with it, i was about to unleash a nice straight right when his hay maker clipped the point of my chin and it was time for telly bye byes at 3 mins 10 seconds. Not seen the video properly yet but thats pretty much as i remember it.

Didnt feel a thing and didnt even hurt before or after but to his credit the lad threw his dice and rolled a 6.

As my coach said, sometimes these types of fights suite route one fighters because there only game plan,simply destroy, where as in the gym i would normally pick off for breakfast this kind of thing i'm afraid it just caught me cold. Also those 4oz gloves are very inforgiving especially when their is 220 lb's behind them, as many much better fighters than me have also found out. Chuck, Rampage, Bisping, etc etc etc...

Back to the drawing board, although i am 46 their is no f'kin way i am i finishing on that note, have arranged with my boxing mate to get some heavy duty sparring in with some heavy weight boxers and once i have passed the statutatry months rest from the ring i am getting straight back in.

Keep you posted.

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INF-AMOS said:
Did say to you guys that i would let you know how i went on in my first cage fight in Newcastle, well being a man of my word i will be honest... I got KO'd

I got in with the intention of hitting on the move and nailing the guy if he made a mistake, twenty years Muay Thai should of helped me with that.The trouble is i have been having plenty of really good sparring with very good standard Muay thai lads but they have a certain way of sparring which i think dosen't always suit the cage.

It's very tip-tap then explode where as to my peril i found the fella pretty much came in guns blazing form the start, he backed me up straight away with left right crosses which to my credit i did manage to slip then shoot for a double leg take down. He had me in single leg half guard after the shoot and he had it on very tight so i just pummled his ribs as much as possble.

To his credit i think he turned me with a butterfly sweep because i was loading my body shots and he then side controlled me which became a stalemate, the ref stood us up and this is where it went wrong for me.

I had my back against the cage and when the ref stepped back the lad came straight back in, i thought he was going to left- right cross again so i nailed him a jab and slipped to my right. Unfortunately he flung a straight arm left hook type thing which took half the audience with it, i was about to unleash a nice straight right when his hay maker clipped the point of my chin and it was time for telly bye byes at 3 mins 10 seconds. Not seen the video properly yet but thats pretty much as i remember it.

Didnt feel a thing and didnt even hurt before or after but to his credit the lad threw his dice and rolled a 6.

As my coach said, sometimes these types of fights suite route one fighters because there only game plan,simply destroy, where as in the gym i would normally pick off for breakfast this kind of thing i'm afraid it just caught me cold. Also those 4oz gloves are very inforgiving especially when their is 220 lb's behind them, as many much better fighters than me have also found out. Chuck, Rampage, Bisping, etc etc etc...

Back to the drawing board, although i am 46 their is no f'kin way i am i finishing on that note, have arranged with my boxing mate to get some heavy duty sparring in with some heavy weight boxers and once i have passed the statutatry months rest from the ring i am getting straight back in.

Keep you posted.

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Ya, I've watched plenty of smaller shows primarily guys just starting out in MMA. One thing I have noticed. Often times the guys with the better pedigree simply get blasted out in the first ring because they are prepared for a longer more technical striking match, whereas the other guy comes in and tries to win it in the first round with a blitzkrieg.

The guys who have weathered this storm, for the most part secured a take down early and kept their composure on the ground while the spaz gassed himself out. In the second round the guy is done and gets KO'd.

Good luck in your next fight.
 
INF-AMOS said:
Did say to you guys that i would let you know how i went on in my first cage fight in Newcastle, well being a man of my word i will be honest... I got KO'd

I got in with the intention of hitting on the move and nailing the guy if he made a mistake, twenty years Muay Thai should of helped me with that.The trouble is i have been having plenty of really good sparring with very good standard Muay thai lads but they have a certain way of sparring which i think dosen't always suit the cage.

It's very tip-tap then explode where as to my peril i found the fella pretty much came in guns blazing form the start, he backed me up straight away with left right crosses which to my credit i did manage to slip then shoot for a double leg take down. He had me in single leg half guard after the shoot and he had it on very tight so i just pummled his ribs as much as possble.

To his credit i think he turned me with a butterfly sweep because i was loading my body shots and he then side controlled me which became a stalemate, the ref stood us up and this is where it went wrong for me.

I had my back against the cage and when the ref stepped back the lad came straight back in, i thought he was going to left- right cross again so i nailed him a jab and slipped to my right. Unfortunately he flung a straight arm left hook type thing which took half the audience with it, i was about to unleash a nice straight right when his hay maker clipped the point of my chin and it was time for telly bye byes at 3 mins 10 seconds. Not seen the video properly yet but thats pretty much as i remember it.

Didnt feel a thing and didnt even hurt before or after but to his credit the lad threw his dice and rolled a 6.

As my coach said, sometimes these types of fights suite route one fighters because there only game plan,simply destroy, where as in the gym i would normally pick off for breakfast this kind of thing i'm afraid it just caught me cold. Also those 4oz gloves are very inforgiving especially when their is 220 lb's behind them, as many much better fighters than me have also found out. Chuck, Rampage, Bisping, etc etc etc...

Back to the drawing board, although i am 46 their is no f'kin way i am i finishing on that note, have arranged with my boxing mate to get some heavy duty sparring in with some heavy weight boxers and once i have passed the statutatry months rest from the ring i am getting straight back in.

Keep you posted.

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Thanks for coming back and sharing it with us mate. Fantastic to hear about all kinds of mma and this obviously feels a little closer to home than watching ufc on tv. Credit to you, I hope I have your attitude when I'm in my 40s (trying not to be patronising there!). Good luck with your next fight and be sure to keep us informed!
 
46? And I thought I was too old to really try MMA at 22 :lol:

Shame about your fight. Everyone can be knocked out by a lucky/skilled shot, as we've seen time and time again. Keep us updated about your future fights, it's very interesting :)
 
affliction are not putting any more events on...

soooooo

fedor
arlovski
barnett (when his ban is finished)
Sylvia
babalou
linland
little ***
belfort

could all become available for the ufc...

fedor, arlovski, barnett would shake the hw division up massivley... add in lesnar, mir, big ***, valasques and carwin and suddenly that looks like quite a stacked division with some potentially really interesting line ups...

come on dana... make it happen... also fedor vs lesnar would probably be the biggest mma fight to date by quite a way and could really push the ufc and mma in a more general sence on to the next level...
 
Rich Franklin v Dan Henderson confirmed as 103 main event. Bit of a strange one that, I was under the impression that the winner of Bisping/Hendo got a title shot.
 
Don16 said:
Rich Franklin v Dan Henderson confirmed as 103 main event. Bit of a strange one that, I was under the impression that the winner of Bisping/Hendo got a title shot.
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very strange... i can only think that silva wants a big break between fighting at lhw before going back to mw in order to get his weight down properly?

but I agree it is a strange one though i also think it could be a good fight giving franklin the chance to avenge his defeat from ufc 93
 
EZee said:
affliction are not putting any more events on...

soooooo

fedor
arlovski
barnett (when his ban is finished)
Sylvia
babalou
linland
little ***
belfort

could all become available for the ufc...

fedor, arlovski, barnett would shake the hw division up massivley... add in lesnar, mir, big ***, valasques and carwin and suddenly that looks like quite a stacked division with some potentially really interesting line ups...

come on dana... make it happen... also fedor vs lesnar would probably be the biggest mma fight to date by quite a way and could really push the ufc and mma in a more general sence on to the next level...
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It would be great if the UFC could sign these up.
 
EZee said:
affliction are not putting any more events on...

soooooo

fedor
arlovski
barnett (when his ban is finished)
Sylvia
babalou
linland
little ***
belfort

could all become available for the ufc...

fedor, arlovski, barnett would shake the hw division up massivley... add in lesnar, mir, big ***, valasques and carwin and suddenly that looks like quite a stacked division with some potentially really interesting line ups...

come on dana... make it happen... also fedor vs lesnar would probably be the biggest mma fight to date by quite a way and could really push the ufc and mma in a more general sence on to the next level...
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Babalou, Sylvia, Belfort, Linland, Arlovski - you think the UFC will bother with these? I think they're old news as far as Dana is concerned?
 
Spammy said:
Babalou, Sylvia, Belfort, Linland, Arlovski - you think the UFC will bother with these? I think they're old news as far as Dana is concerned?
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arlovski im pretty sure they would want back... not sure about the others but if they sign them it stops anybody else signing them was my thoughts
 
Reports coming out of LA that Fedor and the UFC are finalizing a contract/already have and he will be announced as a new signing on friday.

Who knows if this is legit, the LA times is the current source.

If this is true, feck ya.
 
Nucks said:
Reports coming out of LA that Fedor and the UFC are finalizing a contract/already have and he will be announced as a new signing on friday.

Who knows if this is legit, the LA times is the current source.

If this is true, feck ya.
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It'd be great...
 
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It'd be great...
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I replied to a post earlier in this thread that the hang up with Fedor going to the UFC wasn't co-promotion.

Well it turns out this Vadim Finklestein fellow, Fedors manager is liar. Back then he said his pitch to co-promote was just a suggestion not part of the contract.

M1-Global, the promotion Vadim runs/owns and that Fedor has a stake in is now what is holding this back. The official word from Vadim is "No co-promotion, no Fedor".

This is just so unbelievably fecking stupid I cannot wrap my head around it.
 
I can't begin to describe how much I want Fedor to fight Brock Lesnar. I've gone from sort of sympathizing with Brock, to being ambivalent, to outright hating him. All I know about Fedor is what I've read on Wikipedia and here, as well as a short appearance in (I think) a Discovery Channel martial arts program, but he'd be an instant hero if he could beat Lesnar.
 
I've followed Fedor for a few years now, and it would be one of my sporting all time greatest moments if he could enter the octagon against Lesnar, he would fecking school him.
 
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I can't begin to describe how much I want Fedor to fight Brock Lesnar. I've gone from sort of sympathizing with Brock, to being ambivalent, to outright hating him. All I know about Fedor is what I've read on Wikipedia and here, as well as a short appearance in (I think) a Discovery Channel martial arts program, but he'd be an instant hero if he could beat Lesnar.
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I've been watching MMA devoutly since I found UFC 1 and 2 in my local VHS rental store in like 1993.

I would not be shocked if Lesnar beat Fedor, likewise I would not be shocked of Fedor beat Lesnar. This is a situation where Lesnar is so large and athletic with such a strong amateur wrestling pedigree that Lesnar is going to present a MASSIVE hurdle for anyone fighting him.

I haven't really seen enough of Lesnar against guys that can test him to determine if he is legit, or just bowling over guys that don't match up well with him.

Fedor would be a huge litmus test for him, but then again I am not sure what it really proves if Fedor were to lose to Lesnar. It would be like BJ Penn losing to Lyoto Machida. The size difference is THAT big.
 
Arlovski can't keep his hands up for shit. Honestly, he spends 3 weeks with Freddy "the twat" Roach and he thinks he's ready for pro boxing.
 
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With his chin?
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To be fair, very few people that size have "good" chins.

If you get tagged on the button by a big man with a good shot, you're probably going to get dropped.

I think Arlovski's problem is his chin is TOO avaliable to get tagged.
 
Well training in certain ma styles does not put emphasis in keeping your hands up to the required height, and if the need/requirement for a high guard is not engrained in fighters from day 1, they find it hard to change to a style accomodating it. Much more emphasis is played on leg striking in mma and so the arms need to be lower to be available to block blows as low as this, or kicks to the body.

So I think his problem would be more with his lax guard than his chin.
 
He's a fantastic trainer, I just think he's a bit of a knobhead really. Some stuff he said in interviews about Hatton and Emelianenko annoyed me amongst other things.
 
AlwynP said:
He's a fantastic trainer, I just think he's a bit of a knobhead really. Some stuff he said in interviews about Hatton and Emelianenko annoyed me amongst other things.
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Yeah, he's got a bit more outspoken lately. Always came across as a nice guy to me though. I think some of the negative comments towards Hatton were made just because that dickhead Mayweather Sr got under his skin so much. I admire the way he's coping with Parkinson's Disease too.
 
im hearing paul daley might have a 4 fight ufc deal and be fighting at ufc 105...

bisping, hardy, daley, etim, kelly, those 2 off tuf 9, could be a very very uk dominated card
 
well its official...
paul daley has signed with ufc
so has ortiz (coleman will be his 1st fight)
so has belfort (who will headline ufc 103 against franklin)

they have offered fedor a deal... they will let him fight sambo but wont do co promotion with m1

espn deal confirmed for the uk

but apparently ufc is not interested in arlovski... which is a bit of a surprise as they also say they have tv deals for russia and japan (though i suppose sexyama and fedor would be big enough draws... assuming they get fedor)
 
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